I guess they’ll have to move to an EU country then
Excerpt from the linked content^1 by Robin McKie and Toby Helm:
>Leading UK scientists have dismissed government plans to provide a UK alternative to the EU’s €95bn research and innovation programme, Horizon, saying that being a member of a major international programme is essential to the country’s future.
>Last week, in an attempt to reassure the science sector, the government announced plans to set up a £14bn post-Brexit alternative to the UK’s membership of Horizon, which would come into operation if ministers could not agree on the terms of an “associate membership” of the EU scheme with Brussels.
>Currently, negotiations are under way on an associate membership deal, but the main sticking point is how much the UK would have to pay into the seven-year programme to secure participation.
>Ministers are worried that, having left the EU, Tory Brexiters will be angry if they are told the UK will have to contribute billions of pounds a year to a European project when, in theory, the UK could go it alone, having quit the bloc.
Oh look another thing that “project fear” was right about all along.
The rub of it is that UK Government has been promising *since 2016* that it will replace Horizon 2020 funding “pound for pound”.
We are over 3-years post-Brexit now, we still have yet to see a *penny* of that money materialize.
Its a fucking joke. At the very least offer some small stop-gap pots we can use for the next year or two while they sort this out. Just commit to a few billion and this problem immediately goes away until the next election for them. No brainer right?
But no, obviously they don’t care, Science and Academia for some reason are seen almost as like national enemies in the culture war narrative the Tories rely on for their electoral success so they can’t be seen to be doing anything to support us. All while taking credit for any success we produce, or initiatives and programs being run and funded by some of our excellent charities and NGOs.
That’s me and a few others out of work. May be work can be outsourced to the fascist regime in India?
I said it during the referendum, I’ll say it again now, a vote for brexit is a vote against cancer research. Amongst other things.
Not true. What about the thousands of scientists, doctors, and engineers who are flooding in from France every day?
British science has been at risk for the last ten years given feeble wages. Most graduate level positions want to pay less than teaching positions or in lines of work you can get into with “any” degree. Doesn’t help when just about every country seems to have a better pay/qol/col balance.
The government will not care. They cannot profit off research and so do not value it, despite the fact that British research helped pave the way for the COVID vaccine. We are facing some huge issues over the next few years and being able to openly collaborate and compete with EU institutes could be vital in solving issues ranging from antibiotic resistance to cancer therapy to climate change. To inhibit our access to grants and do nothing to replace the funding is nothing short of a scandal.
The Brits shutting themself out of Horizon is one of the many low key catastrophes of Brexit. Horizon is more than a research grant, it’s a mobility infrastructure that can encourage cross-fertilization of research ideas and exchange of personnel. The EU can make up the loss of British research with a lot of effort, science-is-science.
The Brits cannot just reproduce the infrastructure of Horizon which now includes Japanese and many other high powered non-EU research centres.
The balance of power is shifting east as the petrodollar collapses. It really doesn’t much matter what schemes we’re part of, our time is up and we’ll be learning Chinese in order to get the latest science (or more likely using AI to translate it for us).
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I guess they’ll have to move to an EU country then
Excerpt from the linked content^1 by Robin McKie and Toby Helm:
>Leading UK scientists have dismissed government plans to provide a UK alternative to the EU’s €95bn research and innovation programme, Horizon, saying that being a member of a major international programme is essential to the country’s future.
>Last week, in an attempt to reassure the science sector, the government announced plans to set up a £14bn post-Brexit alternative to the UK’s membership of Horizon, which would come into operation if ministers could not agree on the terms of an “associate membership” of the EU scheme with Brussels.
>Currently, negotiations are under way on an associate membership deal, but the main sticking point is how much the UK would have to pay into the seven-year programme to secure participation.
>Ministers are worried that, having left the EU, Tory Brexiters will be angry if they are told the UK will have to contribute billions of pounds a year to a European project when, in theory, the UK could go it alone, having quit the bloc.
^1 Robin McKie and Toby Helm for The Observer/Guardian News & Media, 9 Apr. 2023, https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/apr/09/british-science-will-not-flourish-outside-eus-horizon-scheme-academics-warn
Oh look another thing that “project fear” was right about all along.
The rub of it is that UK Government has been promising *since 2016* that it will replace Horizon 2020 funding “pound for pound”.
We are over 3-years post-Brexit now, we still have yet to see a *penny* of that money materialize.
Its a fucking joke. At the very least offer some small stop-gap pots we can use for the next year or two while they sort this out. Just commit to a few billion and this problem immediately goes away until the next election for them. No brainer right?
But no, obviously they don’t care, Science and Academia for some reason are seen almost as like national enemies in the culture war narrative the Tories rely on for their electoral success so they can’t be seen to be doing anything to support us. All while taking credit for any success we produce, or initiatives and programs being run and funded by some of our excellent charities and NGOs.
That’s me and a few others out of work. May be work can be outsourced to the fascist regime in India?
I said it during the referendum, I’ll say it again now, a vote for brexit is a vote against cancer research. Amongst other things.
Not true. What about the thousands of scientists, doctors, and engineers who are flooding in from France every day?
British science has been at risk for the last ten years given feeble wages. Most graduate level positions want to pay less than teaching positions or in lines of work you can get into with “any” degree. Doesn’t help when just about every country seems to have a better pay/qol/col balance.
The government will not care. They cannot profit off research and so do not value it, despite the fact that British research helped pave the way for the COVID vaccine. We are facing some huge issues over the next few years and being able to openly collaborate and compete with EU institutes could be vital in solving issues ranging from antibiotic resistance to cancer therapy to climate change. To inhibit our access to grants and do nothing to replace the funding is nothing short of a scandal.
The Brits shutting themself out of Horizon is one of the many low key catastrophes of Brexit. Horizon is more than a research grant, it’s a mobility infrastructure that can encourage cross-fertilization of research ideas and exchange of personnel. The EU can make up the loss of British research with a lot of effort, science-is-science.
The Brits cannot just reproduce the infrastructure of Horizon which now includes Japanese and many other high powered non-EU research centres.
The balance of power is shifting east as the petrodollar collapses. It really doesn’t much matter what schemes we’re part of, our time is up and we’ll be learning Chinese in order to get the latest science (or more likely using AI to translate it for us).