i decided to give 1836 a shot, there are plenty of maps of this later era but what always feels missing is the internal structure of the states at the time which is especially needed on a map with fewer countries to show
hopefully i didn’t make any crazy eyesore mistakes, if you spot any or have any questions point them here
This map is stunning, but I do have a question about the Benelux area: Is what is now the Dutch province of Limburg supposed to be part of Belgium in 1836? I thought it remained a part of the Netherlands after the Belgian revolution. Similarly, Luxembourg is noted as Belgian territory, but shouldn’t it be Dutch?
Pretty good looking map. How long did it take you to make?
Wonderful map! As a side note, notice that the legation of Marittima in the papal states should be named Marittima and Campagna, which literally translates in Sea and Countryside legation. I know because I’m from here.
Cheers
P.S. Add “Terra di” (Land of) in the province of Lavoro, because it translates only as Work.
What a terrible times that was.
Looks really good! I especially like the nuanced administrative divisions, showing also areas of different autonomous status etc.
What I really don’t like is the preference of Russian over German in the [Baltic governorates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_governorates). German was the administrative language and the Russian names seem so off-putting, especially because they are clearly based on the German names and especially because you didn’t use the Russian names in Finland.
The map could also use some maritime borders, for example one would think that the island of Saaremaa in Estonia was under the Reval governorate while really it was part of the Governorate of Livonia. Also, the Reval Governorate had been renamed to the Governorate of Estonia already in 1796.
Interesting to note a map that clearly shows Circassia. An entire country that will be completely wiped out off the map and its people genocided with millions killed and millions more forcibly removed from its lands by the Russian Empire in a few short decades, to be replaced by Russian and Cossack settlers. A very often ignored tragedy in Europe.
Someone is a fan of Paradox?
Just a correction for Egypt, in 1836 we were still officially an Ottoman [Eyalet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_Eyalet) though one that was practically independent under Mohammed Ali and fighting the Ottoman Empire.
Constantinople granted Egypt the status of an autonomous vassal state or Khedivate in 1867. Isma’il Pasha (Khedive from 1863 to 1879) and Tewfik Pasha (Khedive from 1879 to 1892) governed Egypt as a quasi-independent state under Ottoman suzerainty until the British occupation of 1882.
And our flag would have been red, the green was for the Kingdom of Egypt and adopted when we gained formal independence from the British in 1922.
PS Beautiful map otherwise, I have your other one hanging in my office!
Fascinating.
typo in the footer “confderation” -> “confederation”
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nice map! 🙂
Ukraine will rise
Meuse and Marne are swapped (north east of France)
Why does Anhalt that part of Ukraine north of Crimea?
you’re really insulting Moldova here, you are using the Russified names of the territory and the cities instead of the correct ones
First off, this map is brilliant, but there are a few point I noticed.
The Dutch coastline was much more consolidated at this time and inland too many of the lakes shown here were already drained.
As for France I wonder what the basis is for the odd borders of some of the departments (at Vaucluse, Nord, Pas de Calais, Landes, etc.), as far as I know those borders were back then as they are now. Many names of the French departments are off as well, not only Marne and Meuse (as someone else pointed out), but also Loire-Atlantique (which was Loire-Inférieure), Pyrénées-Atlantiques (which was Basses-Pyrénées) and Charente-Maritime (which was Charente-Inférieure at this time).
At this time also, the Austrian Empire had greatly simplified its internal structure, forming the kingdom of Illyria, uniting Upper and Lower Austria with Salzburg and also adding Voralberg to Tirol.
As two last things I wonder: Was Neu-Askanien really a literal politically seperate colony or was it more of a settlement project (which can also be refered to as a colony)? And: The city of Wismar was leased by Sweden to Mecklenburg Schwerin between 1803 and 1903, before being finally transferred, would it perhaps be worth it to show that interesting territorial quirk?
Okay, now the question. Who wants those borders back?
Wow it’s very nice!!!
Wow I didn’t know that Slovenija was directly a Dutchy of Austria in the Austro Hungarian Empire
This is so cool mind if I steal it and print it as a poster on my wall?
I think you’ve mixed Yanya/Preveza/Delvinë. From north to south it should be Delvinë – Yanya – Preveza.
Also Shkodër is a bit more to the north where the lake is.
Cool map though.
Really well done op.
Olivença é nossa!
I prefer poland like this <3
You got the subdivisions between Cumberland. Westmorland and Lancashire right, not many people do.
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2 years ago i made a map of [europe in 1444](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/nk11d3/oc_1444_europe_map_8k_x_5k_big_img/), the date obviously coming from some odd game that you might know
i decided to give 1836 a shot, there are plenty of maps of this later era but what always feels missing is the internal structure of the states at the time which is especially needed on a map with fewer countries to show
if you want this map on [your wall – here](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1448394054/europe-1836-history-map)
hopefully i didn’t make any crazy eyesore mistakes, if you spot any or have any questions point them here
This map is stunning, but I do have a question about the Benelux area: Is what is now the Dutch province of Limburg supposed to be part of Belgium in 1836? I thought it remained a part of the Netherlands after the Belgian revolution. Similarly, Luxembourg is noted as Belgian territory, but shouldn’t it be Dutch?
Pretty good looking map. How long did it take you to make?
Wonderful map! As a side note, notice that the legation of Marittima in the papal states should be named Marittima and Campagna, which literally translates in Sea and Countryside legation. I know because I’m from here.
Cheers
P.S. Add “Terra di” (Land of) in the province of Lavoro, because it translates only as Work.
What a terrible times that was.
Looks really good! I especially like the nuanced administrative divisions, showing also areas of different autonomous status etc.
What I really don’t like is the preference of Russian over German in the [Baltic governorates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_governorates). German was the administrative language and the Russian names seem so off-putting, especially because they are clearly based on the German names and especially because you didn’t use the Russian names in Finland.
The map could also use some maritime borders, for example one would think that the island of Saaremaa in Estonia was under the Reval governorate while really it was part of the Governorate of Livonia. Also, the Reval Governorate had been renamed to the Governorate of Estonia already in 1796.
Interesting to note a map that clearly shows Circassia. An entire country that will be completely wiped out off the map and its people genocided with millions killed and millions more forcibly removed from its lands by the Russian Empire in a few short decades, to be replaced by Russian and Cossack settlers. A very often ignored tragedy in Europe.
Someone is a fan of Paradox?
Just a correction for Egypt, in 1836 we were still officially an Ottoman [Eyalet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_Eyalet) though one that was practically independent under Mohammed Ali and fighting the Ottoman Empire.
Constantinople granted Egypt the status of an autonomous vassal state or Khedivate in 1867. Isma’il Pasha (Khedive from 1863 to 1879) and Tewfik Pasha (Khedive from 1879 to 1892) governed Egypt as a quasi-independent state under Ottoman suzerainty until the British occupation of 1882.
And our flag would have been red, the green was for the Kingdom of Egypt and adopted when we gained formal independence from the British in 1922.
PS Beautiful map otherwise, I have your other one hanging in my office!
Fascinating.
typo in the footer “confderation” -> “confederation”
​
nice map! 🙂
Ukraine will rise
Meuse and Marne are swapped (north east of France)
Why does Anhalt that part of Ukraine north of Crimea?
you’re really insulting Moldova here, you are using the Russified names of the territory and the cities instead of the correct ones
First off, this map is brilliant, but there are a few point I noticed.
The Dutch coastline was much more consolidated at this time and inland too many of the lakes shown here were already drained.
As for France I wonder what the basis is for the odd borders of some of the departments (at Vaucluse, Nord, Pas de Calais, Landes, etc.), as far as I know those borders were back then as they are now. Many names of the French departments are off as well, not only Marne and Meuse (as someone else pointed out), but also Loire-Atlantique (which was Loire-Inférieure), Pyrénées-Atlantiques (which was Basses-Pyrénées) and Charente-Maritime (which was Charente-Inférieure at this time).
At this time also, the Austrian Empire had greatly simplified its internal structure, forming the kingdom of Illyria, uniting Upper and Lower Austria with Salzburg and also adding Voralberg to Tirol.
As two last things I wonder: Was Neu-Askanien really a literal politically seperate colony or was it more of a settlement project (which can also be refered to as a colony)? And: The city of Wismar was leased by Sweden to Mecklenburg Schwerin between 1803 and 1903, before being finally transferred, would it perhaps be worth it to show that interesting territorial quirk?
Okay, now the question. Who wants those borders back?
Wow it’s very nice!!!
Wow I didn’t know that Slovenija was directly a Dutchy of Austria in the Austro Hungarian Empire
This is so cool mind if I steal it and print it as a poster on my wall?
I think you’ve mixed Yanya/Preveza/Delvinë. From north to south it should be Delvinë – Yanya – Preveza.
Also Shkodër is a bit more to the north where the lake is.
Cool map though.
Really well done op.
Olivença é nossa!
I prefer poland like this <3
You got the subdivisions between Cumberland. Westmorland and Lancashire right, not many people do.