Let’s hope all those people and their families remember this next time they vote.
**People:** Let’s vote for the most right-wing conservative MPs possible
**People:** Let’s use McDonalds, Amazon and Starbucks Coffee. We should support anti-union foreign multinationals that pay no tax. We don’t need businesses with shareholders who have a stake in their local community. We are only consumers, not citizens.
**People:** Let’s select a privately educated Oxford PPE Prime Minister coming from one of the wealthiest families the world has ever seen. He will think out of the box.
**People:** Why is the system not working? *Pikachu surprised face*
It pisses me off, how all the coverage I’ve seen is tightly focused on the risk to patients if the strike goes ahead, it’s very targeted in a way to make people say it’s horrible that they’re striking.
But the reasons for the strike are eminently valid, and the risk to patients if the situation doesn’t improve is likely just as high, if not so immediately apparent.
Plus, the whole lack of sufficient staff isn’t really going to be addressed if the positions become more and more unattractive from a living standards and stresses point of view.
Yes, please, join this profession where you’ll be underpaid, and expected to work really long, really stressful hours. Oh, and if you want to ask for a decent wage increase, then you’re putting patients at risk and are a horrible human being…
Why can’t we hire enough staff?
* Significant shortage of doctors
* Doctors retiring early
* Doctors burning out due to overwork
* More doctors needed due to ageing population
* Takes years to train one
* Shortage of training places
Have to pay them more…
If anyone has a better fix, let’s hear it.
(No, I am not a doctor)
This is what the gov want. Make doctors go on strike for more pay and better conditions which in turn will make the uk public (they think) dislike the nhs more just so they can “rescue” it by privatizing it. The gov don’t give a flying fuck about you or the nhs only corruption and money.
I know this is definitely concerning but as a doctor I would ask people to please walk a mile in our shoes before criticising us for making this decision.
I see huge numbers of appointments and surgical procedures getting cancelled already in the NHS. I have only been a doctor for 5 years but in that time I have seen a huge degradation in the quality of care we are able to provide and staffing in all areas, not just doctors, is a major factor. We are in a position where we just can’t continue as we are on this course.
The royal college of emergency medicine put it extremely well in a statement recently:
>While strikes may disrupt emergency care and pose a risk for patient safety, patient safety has long been at risk as a result of years of under-resourcing, under-funding, lack of staff, lack of beds, and inadequate and insufficient community and social care. Staff deserve better and so do patients. Every effort must be made to retain our competent and valuable staff in the health service, working on the frontline and delivering for patients
lol weeks ago they’re writing the wards we’re safest ever been, Tories pulling favours from the media to sow panic
It’s been over 2 months since we were balloted for strike action and the government still haven’t put a single pay offer on the table…
Doctors don’t want to strike, they want a reasonable response to start negotiations
Yet the government are refusing to negotiate under any circumstances, so they are doing nothing to stop a strike they knew about at least a month in advance. It takes two to tango and the government are deserving of plenty of blame here, yet the papers want people to forget that.
It’s shit, but I support them 100%. They shouldn’t be pushed to this.
If it’s a huge concern then prevent it, just pay them
Would you like to see a free market? That’s what the tories tell everybody, why don’t they permit a free market?
Free for people to say what they want their taxes spent on – whether on a fast track process to pay cronies for substandard PPE, or on NHS. Whether on MP duck houses and moats, or a working police force. Whether on immigration processing for all the resourceful people who could earn and pay taxes, or flights and concentration camps in Rwanda.
When it comes to pay, surely it’s absolutely market forces that big emplofers are paired off with big unions? Surely it’s right that doctors, nurses, admin, porters, the myriad of other roles work to rule and strike to work their side of the negotiations? Isn’t that what a free market is about?
Or is this not a free market, but rather my taxpayers’ money being used to keep the super rich even richer, and to grind down those who were just about managing?
My appointment Tuesday has been cancelled and my next offering is in august… it sucks but it sucks more not being paid your worth and working in terrible conditions. I’m in healthcare now but used to work in medical staffing, the Rotas for JDs was terrible, they work so hard and have so much responsibility it’s insane they’re not rewarded with pay that reflects that.
I fully support JDs striking, just wish our nursing unions were as good as the JD unions.
Yeah, as a nurse I totally support the doctors, I see the hours they work, the decisions these juniors have to make so little money ..
i bet the govt rn are like; *why did Labour cause this?*
This is the way.
NHS + Teachers + Garbage men + Truckers
Society would turn to shit and grind to a fucking halt in a week. Literally.
Sadly it’s playing into their hands … the worse the NHS gets the easier to privatise…
>Junior doctors walkout could see ‘250,000 appointments postponed’
That is called collateral.
Postponed does not mean cancelled!
The government’s argument of “there isn’t enough money” to pay people more is complete bollocks.
I am a doctor, and I will regularly get urgently petitioned by rota staff to fill gaps. These locum shifts come at a going hourly rate of between 4 and 8 times more than my standard hourly salary.
If you could retain actual salaried staff by paying them 4 quid an hour more, there wouldn’t be huge numbers of gaps that they end up needing to fill by paying locums £100 an hour.
Same goes for nursing staff and bank/agency shifts.
The biggest cost to the NHS is the under-funding of the NHS.
They really need to change the name “junior doctors” to something else. People are too dumb to realise that they are the doctors.
Maybe just “doctors“. I don’t know.
I dunno? Maybe if the government supported it? Might help
Let’s all stand outside our front doors and crap (on it) for the NHS. This country is Fucked 💯 🤷♂️
Damn looks like we’re the ones who are going to suffer…guess you should…give them what they fucking want? Like bitch please they wrote this shit as if we’re meant to be mad but it’s literally the tories fault
An injury I sustained last October still hasn’t been diagnosed due to long wait times. I’m fully in support of the strikes though – people do deserve to be paid their worth, but at this point I’m forced to go private and dip into practically non-existent savings to get this sorted out.
A&E haven’t been able to help me despite being directed there by my normal GP, usual GP appointments apparently can’t help me either because I require a specialist. Not been able to walk since, and suffering with chronic pain. My next followup appointment is a year later from the original injury (this coming October.) It’s just far too long. Can’t imagine what it must be like for someone who has something critical that needs seeing to. What a mess.
Oh, if only there were some way to stop all the nasty doctors striking!
I was a junior doctor who left the profession 2 years ago after a 10 year NHS career.
Even if they got the full pay rise they are asking for, I would still never go back to that bullshit.
So what you’re saying is that the work they do is hugely important and critical to patient safety?
Sound like they should be earning a decent wage then…..
Can anyone outline the doctor’s demands and conditions?
I have to go to work on Tuesday with a guy who will undoubtedly spend all day rabitting on about how ‘all junior doctors are already on £45k’ and how they’ll ‘all be on £200k when they qualify as consultants’ etc etc.
Here’s a radical and dangerous idea… Pay the fucking workers more for the shite they do and have to put up with.
This isn’t just for Drs or Nurses or train drivers or the postal workers…. EVERYONE.
If not then I vote we get French on the halls of power and industry across the UK.
They’re only asking for £4 an hour more – I think they’re worth it. Give it to them!!
This government is pound foolish.
If providers of a public service are striking for better conditions: please remember they are acting on behalf of the users of that service as well as their own wellbeing. I’m so tired of this being spun as just about greed or money.
then the government should fucking pay them a decent wage
Incoming opinions from people who know nothing about how hard or underpaid nhs positions are complaining that nurses and the like are lazy, whiny.etc
And yes this headline is very anti-doctor, it proposes that it will see people not getting their appointments, which is true, but this is the tough action that has to be taken to ensure the nhs even still has any staff at all in 20yrs.
It’s absolutely disgusting that so many peoples appointments will be jeapordised by the governments refusal to pay an adequate wage. But at least Australia will be getting their submarines, and there’ll be a new train line to places that already have train lines, to shave about 30 minutes off the journey.
MPs don’t use the NHS so it’s not their problem, go ahead and strike it makes no difference to MPs as they simply don’t use your services.
It affects the public sure, but they can only change the government in December 2024 and the Tories know that they won’t win the next election so why would they care about getting votes?
These strikes could be consecutive from now until December 2024 and nothing would happen because the Conservative MPs aren’t impacted by these strikes.
You get what you vote for. Hurray for Brexit, guess all the Europeans were not stealing jobs, but instead helping to keep the boat floating.
This is a shameful and dire situation, Junior Doctors and nurses have my support ALWAYS!
Ah yes, let’s let innocent people die and suffer so we get more money. These people are scum.
I would give them the money, tbf but….. only if GP surgeries can be open on evenings and weekends like everything else.
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Let’s hope all those people and their families remember this next time they vote.
**People:** Let’s vote for the most right-wing conservative MPs possible
**People:** Let’s use McDonalds, Amazon and Starbucks Coffee. We should support anti-union foreign multinationals that pay no tax. We don’t need businesses with shareholders who have a stake in their local community. We are only consumers, not citizens.
**People:** Let’s select a privately educated Oxford PPE Prime Minister coming from one of the wealthiest families the world has ever seen. He will think out of the box.
**People:** Why is the system not working? *Pikachu surprised face*
https://media.tenor.com/UZJd1pjj4NMAAAAC/surprised-pikachu.gif
It pisses me off, how all the coverage I’ve seen is tightly focused on the risk to patients if the strike goes ahead, it’s very targeted in a way to make people say it’s horrible that they’re striking.
But the reasons for the strike are eminently valid, and the risk to patients if the situation doesn’t improve is likely just as high, if not so immediately apparent.
Plus, the whole lack of sufficient staff isn’t really going to be addressed if the positions become more and more unattractive from a living standards and stresses point of view.
Yes, please, join this profession where you’ll be underpaid, and expected to work really long, really stressful hours. Oh, and if you want to ask for a decent wage increase, then you’re putting patients at risk and are a horrible human being…
Why can’t we hire enough staff?
* Significant shortage of doctors
* Doctors retiring early
* Doctors burning out due to overwork
* More doctors needed due to ageing population
* Takes years to train one
* Shortage of training places
Have to pay them more…
If anyone has a better fix, let’s hear it.
(No, I am not a doctor)
This is what the gov want. Make doctors go on strike for more pay and better conditions which in turn will make the uk public (they think) dislike the nhs more just so they can “rescue” it by privatizing it. The gov don’t give a flying fuck about you or the nhs only corruption and money.
I know this is definitely concerning but as a doctor I would ask people to please walk a mile in our shoes before criticising us for making this decision.
I see huge numbers of appointments and surgical procedures getting cancelled already in the NHS. I have only been a doctor for 5 years but in that time I have seen a huge degradation in the quality of care we are able to provide and staffing in all areas, not just doctors, is a major factor. We are in a position where we just can’t continue as we are on this course.
The royal college of emergency medicine put it extremely well in a statement recently:
>While strikes may disrupt emergency care and pose a risk for patient safety, patient safety has long been at risk as a result of years of under-resourcing, under-funding, lack of staff, lack of beds, and inadequate and insufficient community and social care. Staff deserve better and so do patients. Every effort must be made to retain our competent and valuable staff in the health service, working on the frontline and delivering for patients
lol weeks ago they’re writing the wards we’re safest ever been, Tories pulling favours from the media to sow panic
It’s been over 2 months since we were balloted for strike action and the government still haven’t put a single pay offer on the table…
Doctors don’t want to strike, they want a reasonable response to start negotiations
Yet the government are refusing to negotiate under any circumstances, so they are doing nothing to stop a strike they knew about at least a month in advance. It takes two to tango and the government are deserving of plenty of blame here, yet the papers want people to forget that.
It’s shit, but I support them 100%. They shouldn’t be pushed to this.
If it’s a huge concern then prevent it, just pay them
Would you like to see a free market? That’s what the tories tell everybody, why don’t they permit a free market?
Free for people to say what they want their taxes spent on – whether on a fast track process to pay cronies for substandard PPE, or on NHS. Whether on MP duck houses and moats, or a working police force. Whether on immigration processing for all the resourceful people who could earn and pay taxes, or flights and concentration camps in Rwanda.
When it comes to pay, surely it’s absolutely market forces that big emplofers are paired off with big unions? Surely it’s right that doctors, nurses, admin, porters, the myriad of other roles work to rule and strike to work their side of the negotiations? Isn’t that what a free market is about?
Or is this not a free market, but rather my taxpayers’ money being used to keep the super rich even richer, and to grind down those who were just about managing?
My appointment Tuesday has been cancelled and my next offering is in august… it sucks but it sucks more not being paid your worth and working in terrible conditions. I’m in healthcare now but used to work in medical staffing, the Rotas for JDs was terrible, they work so hard and have so much responsibility it’s insane they’re not rewarded with pay that reflects that.
I fully support JDs striking, just wish our nursing unions were as good as the JD unions.
Yeah, as a nurse I totally support the doctors, I see the hours they work, the decisions these juniors have to make so little money ..
i bet the govt rn are like; *why did Labour cause this?*
This is the way.
NHS + Teachers + Garbage men + Truckers
Society would turn to shit and grind to a fucking halt in a week. Literally.
Sadly it’s playing into their hands … the worse the NHS gets the easier to privatise…
>Junior doctors walkout could see ‘250,000 appointments postponed’
That is called collateral.
Postponed does not mean cancelled!
The government’s argument of “there isn’t enough money” to pay people more is complete bollocks.
I am a doctor, and I will regularly get urgently petitioned by rota staff to fill gaps. These locum shifts come at a going hourly rate of between 4 and 8 times more than my standard hourly salary.
If you could retain actual salaried staff by paying them 4 quid an hour more, there wouldn’t be huge numbers of gaps that they end up needing to fill by paying locums £100 an hour.
Same goes for nursing staff and bank/agency shifts.
The biggest cost to the NHS is the under-funding of the NHS.
They really need to change the name “junior doctors” to something else. People are too dumb to realise that they are the doctors.
Maybe just “doctors“. I don’t know.
I dunno? Maybe if the government supported it? Might help
Let’s all stand outside our front doors and crap (on it) for the NHS. This country is Fucked 💯 🤷♂️
Damn looks like we’re the ones who are going to suffer…guess you should…give them what they fucking want? Like bitch please they wrote this shit as if we’re meant to be mad but it’s literally the tories fault
An injury I sustained last October still hasn’t been diagnosed due to long wait times. I’m fully in support of the strikes though – people do deserve to be paid their worth, but at this point I’m forced to go private and dip into practically non-existent savings to get this sorted out.
A&E haven’t been able to help me despite being directed there by my normal GP, usual GP appointments apparently can’t help me either because I require a specialist. Not been able to walk since, and suffering with chronic pain. My next followup appointment is a year later from the original injury (this coming October.) It’s just far too long. Can’t imagine what it must be like for someone who has something critical that needs seeing to. What a mess.
Oh, if only there were some way to stop all the nasty doctors striking!
I was a junior doctor who left the profession 2 years ago after a 10 year NHS career.
Even if they got the full pay rise they are asking for, I would still never go back to that bullshit.
So what you’re saying is that the work they do is hugely important and critical to patient safety?
Sound like they should be earning a decent wage then…..
Can anyone outline the doctor’s demands and conditions?
I have to go to work on Tuesday with a guy who will undoubtedly spend all day rabitting on about how ‘all junior doctors are already on £45k’ and how they’ll ‘all be on £200k when they qualify as consultants’ etc etc.
Here’s a radical and dangerous idea… Pay the fucking workers more for the shite they do and have to put up with.
This isn’t just for Drs or Nurses or train drivers or the postal workers…. EVERYONE.
If not then I vote we get French on the halls of power and industry across the UK.
They’re only asking for £4 an hour more – I think they’re worth it. Give it to them!!
This government is pound foolish.
If providers of a public service are striking for better conditions: please remember they are acting on behalf of the users of that service as well as their own wellbeing. I’m so tired of this being spun as just about greed or money.
then the government should fucking pay them a decent wage
Incoming opinions from people who know nothing about how hard or underpaid nhs positions are complaining that nurses and the like are lazy, whiny.etc
And yes this headline is very anti-doctor, it proposes that it will see people not getting their appointments, which is true, but this is the tough action that has to be taken to ensure the nhs even still has any staff at all in 20yrs.
It’s absolutely disgusting that so many peoples appointments will be jeapordised by the governments refusal to pay an adequate wage. But at least Australia will be getting their submarines, and there’ll be a new train line to places that already have train lines, to shave about 30 minutes off the journey.
MPs don’t use the NHS so it’s not their problem, go ahead and strike it makes no difference to MPs as they simply don’t use your services.
It affects the public sure, but they can only change the government in December 2024 and the Tories know that they won’t win the next election so why would they care about getting votes?
These strikes could be consecutive from now until December 2024 and nothing would happen because the Conservative MPs aren’t impacted by these strikes.
You get what you vote for. Hurray for Brexit, guess all the Europeans were not stealing jobs, but instead helping to keep the boat floating.
This is a shameful and dire situation, Junior Doctors and nurses have my support ALWAYS!
Ah yes, let’s let innocent people die and suffer so we get more money. These people are scum.
I would give them the money, tbf but….. only if GP surgeries can be open on evenings and weekends like everything else.