B) The doctors go to other countries that will pay them fairly.
Australia is loving the supply of ready-trained doctors that they’ve not had to support through primary/secondary/tertiary education.
“The NHS is a waste of time and we should privatise it. It was such a shambles, all it took was to stop all funding and drive away all of the doctors and nurses and it just fell apart. It’s not fit for purpose, I’m telling you!!”
France and the UK have 67 million people.
* Size of the French Second Chamber : **370 people.**
* Size of the UK Second Chamber (Lords) : **776 people.**
**Politicians:** *”YoUr dEmAnDs ArE nOt rEaLiStiC”*
Ba***d
All politicians AND their family should be able to use ONLY the NHS for ANYTHING health related.
Skin in the game.
It was perfectly realistic for JDs and Consultants to have 15 years of real terms pay cuts though
for “the party of business” they sure do hate the idea of market forces.
When the juniors leave the country for places that pay them well and the Tory voting bloc the boomers suffer as a result then only then would the Tories get it.
Until then they will act like this
I’m sure Brexit had nothing to do with the shortage of staff either…
Boy the spin coming out right now against this strike is phenomenal. The threats are disgusting. The news this morning said junior doctors make up half the NHS staff. Is this right? Talk about using people. Pay people fairly!!!
If the nurses reject the (shit) pay offer they were given recently then they I wonder if they will start demanding similar sorts of percentages.
This is the result of more than austerity and a decade of pay cut after pay cut when the country could have actually chosen to give them a inflation matching pay rise. All the goodwill has been used up. This whole situation is on Osborne and Cameron’s shoulders in my view (and the people who voted them in, obviously)
Wish I was so underpaid my average retirement age was 55 .
All they’re asking for is to be paid as if their 2010 salaries had risen in line with inflation. If that is unrealistic then what does that say about the Tory record on our economy? And for Christ’s sake do these people not understand the concept of negotiating? Are they that thick? One side offers a starting point, rather than offering a counter, these twonks cross their arms and say nuh-uh like smarmy children.
I know it’s not how math works, but if over 15 years period you give people a raise of 2,3% per year, you won’t have to give them 35% after those 15 years, you fucking idiot.
Or… junior doctors save the UK billions over the past 15 years as their wage bill has decreased significantly in real terms.
What makes me so very furious is that after all the clapping and the labelling NHS workers as “heroes”, and one of the recent Prime Ministers talking about (admittedly, non-NHS) people being paid what they deserve in professions of high demand, when the pandemic has died down the response to these same people is simply, “nah”.
The cost of total pay restoration would be less than 1% of the NHS budget.
Also if it is unrealistic (I disagree) what is a realistic figure? It would help if Mr Barlcay came to the table with a starting point so negotiations could actually begin.
No shit, that’s why you negotiate. Everyone knows it won’t end up being 35% but it’s the start of a negotiation
UK government spends over £300k training each doctor just to have them all leave and go to Australia for higher wages 🤣
Unrealistic. They just want the wages they used to have
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A) Pay them fairly.
B) The doctors go to other countries that will pay them fairly.
Australia is loving the supply of ready-trained doctors that they’ve not had to support through primary/secondary/tertiary education.
“The NHS is a waste of time and we should privatise it. It was such a shambles, all it took was to stop all funding and drive away all of the doctors and nurses and it just fell apart. It’s not fit for purpose, I’m telling you!!”
France and the UK have 67 million people.
* Size of the French Second Chamber : **370 people.**
* Size of the UK Second Chamber (Lords) : **776 people.**
**Politicians:** *”YoUr dEmAnDs ArE nOt rEaLiStiC”*
Ba***d
All politicians AND their family should be able to use ONLY the NHS for ANYTHING health related.
Skin in the game.
It was perfectly realistic for JDs and Consultants to have 15 years of real terms pay cuts though
for “the party of business” they sure do hate the idea of market forces.
When the juniors leave the country for places that pay them well and the Tory voting bloc the boomers suffer as a result then only then would the Tories get it.
Until then they will act like this
I’m sure Brexit had nothing to do with the shortage of staff either…
Boy the spin coming out right now against this strike is phenomenal. The threats are disgusting. The news this morning said junior doctors make up half the NHS staff. Is this right? Talk about using people. Pay people fairly!!!
If the nurses reject the (shit) pay offer they were given recently then they I wonder if they will start demanding similar sorts of percentages.
This is the result of more than austerity and a decade of pay cut after pay cut when the country could have actually chosen to give them a inflation matching pay rise. All the goodwill has been used up. This whole situation is on Osborne and Cameron’s shoulders in my view (and the people who voted them in, obviously)
Wish I was so underpaid my average retirement age was 55 .
All they’re asking for is to be paid as if their 2010 salaries had risen in line with inflation. If that is unrealistic then what does that say about the Tory record on our economy? And for Christ’s sake do these people not understand the concept of negotiating? Are they that thick? One side offers a starting point, rather than offering a counter, these twonks cross their arms and say nuh-uh like smarmy children.
I know it’s not how math works, but if over 15 years period you give people a raise of 2,3% per year, you won’t have to give them 35% after those 15 years, you fucking idiot.
Or… junior doctors save the UK billions over the past 15 years as their wage bill has decreased significantly in real terms.
What makes me so very furious is that after all the clapping and the labelling NHS workers as “heroes”, and one of the recent Prime Ministers talking about (admittedly, non-NHS) people being paid what they deserve in professions of high demand, when the pandemic has died down the response to these same people is simply, “nah”.
The cost of total pay restoration would be less than 1% of the NHS budget.
Also if it is unrealistic (I disagree) what is a realistic figure? It would help if Mr Barlcay came to the table with a starting point so negotiations could actually begin.
No shit, that’s why you negotiate. Everyone knows it won’t end up being 35% but it’s the start of a negotiation
UK government spends over £300k training each doctor just to have them all leave and go to Australia for higher wages 🤣
Unrealistic. They just want the wages they used to have