Every tradesman I know is flat out and more, where are we going to find suitably qualified candidates to complete these?
Thinking back to that unfinished tower in Sandyford, can these houses even be completed after being left to the mercy of the elements since circa 2008? I’m guessing not, otherwise they would have been completed already.
They could kill multiple birds with one stone but they won’t because doing the obvious, sensible thing is not the government’s way.
75 estates which have been exposed to the Irish weather for a decade or so, and which will cost more to tear down and rebuild than it would take to build a new estate.
You think every housing developer in the country looked at those estates and thought “You know, I could make a load of money on these but frankly I hate money, it’s bad for you.”?
Did they fuck.
They’re worth negative money.
It’s a solution because a journalist said so
Instantly*
* not actually instant at all.
any builders, tradies or contractors here?
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how long and how much would it cost to get these houses on the market?
People don’t want to live in the backarse of Mullingar or whereever. Our shortage is primarily 1 and 2 bed apartments in Dublin city centre, and if we can solve that problem it takes the pressure off of everywhere else.
Those houses probably arent built to todays relatively new standards, air tightness etc, so would cost too much to modernise and complete.
It’s hilarious that the same people who object repeatedly to housing in their areas – which are usually in cities & extremely well serviced by public amenities – love pointing to derelict ghost estates in the middle of nowhere and offering them as a better alternative.
No, the alternative is going to be in your backyard.
I think one of these was built by a developer neighbour of mine during the boom. If it’s anything like the standard he built prior, they are at best fancy rubble. They were throw up in a hurry when the government briefly considered decentralizing.
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They can’t instantly be delivered because they’ve been sitting out untouched for years and most probably need to be knocked.
I bet that’s Leos rainy day fund.
>Instant
Yeah, it wouldn’t be instant, but still. 12 months and nothing done. Had they started on them a year ago, could we have a few hundred ready to go? Maybe more? Guess we’ll never know. Ah well, Leo says they’re doing everything they can…
If there is sufficient supply demand drops and therefore ridiculous rents and sale prices cannot be justified
I’m surprised there are still ghost estates, most of them were finished years ago by the looks of things, only the ones in the middle of nowhere and have no infrastructure didn’t get finished by the looks of things
Daily Mail article. At least before it went online the paper it was printed on was useful for some things.
I’m going to open myself up to serious abuse here, but the implosion of our building industry during the bust years is the major reason behind our current housing crisis.
The broad term of ‘Builders’ was a toxic word for at least half a decade (closer to 7 or 8 years before economic recovery was evident) after the taxpayers were left to pick up the tab through reckless lending to construction companies on behalf of the banks.
Many of the cowboys were gutted (thankfully), some recovered (unfortunately), but the real loss was our best laborors/tradesmen/engineers/architects emigrating to Australia, Canada, US, UK, the UAE etc.
Skilled tradesmen don’t grow on trees, neither do the massive influx of Eastern European laborors with building trade experience who entered Ireland at that time during the Boom years, who either returned home to their emerging economies or up-skilled elsewhere in Ireland.
If anyone even broached the topic of construction between 2009 and 2016 they were shot down as idiots, and it was at least partially correct, we had a huge bill to pay to Europe, the IMF and the UK, why would we invest money in building when there was thousands of unoccupied houses in ghost estates around Dublin, let alone the country?
Then times changed, cheap houses were scooped up en-masse by private companies, landlords, but mostly house buyers in the market and now we didn’t only not have the workforce, but a wary lending policy from financial institutions and at least 5 years of next to zero construction nationwide, to meet demand.
Our housing crisis started a decade ago, when the country was awash with cheap houses and ghost estates.
I could be wrong but in another article in the Independent it states that the 2000 figure are ones that have been deemed as potential homes so they’d still be fit for use? The rest of the houses are not.
Also the council can deem the ones that aren’t as derelict and knock and build again?
So out of the huge number of houses left unoccupied or unfinished during the housing crisis we’re down to the last 2000 or so and they think that these ones will be easy to fix up? I guarantee that whatever sites are STILL unused after so long and in such a booming housing market will have some serious reasons why private developers haven’t grabbed them yet.
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“Instant”
“If completed”
Quality journalism.
Every tradesman I know is flat out and more, where are we going to find suitably qualified candidates to complete these?
Thinking back to that unfinished tower in Sandyford, can these houses even be completed after being left to the mercy of the elements since circa 2008? I’m guessing not, otherwise they would have been completed already.
They could kill multiple birds with one stone but they won’t because doing the obvious, sensible thing is not the government’s way.
75 estates which have been exposed to the Irish weather for a decade or so, and which will cost more to tear down and rebuild than it would take to build a new estate.
You think every housing developer in the country looked at those estates and thought “You know, I could make a load of money on these but frankly I hate money, it’s bad for you.”?
Did they fuck.
They’re worth negative money.
It’s a solution because a journalist said so
Instantly*
* not actually instant at all.
any builders, tradies or contractors here?
​
how long and how much would it cost to get these houses on the market?
People don’t want to live in the backarse of Mullingar or whereever. Our shortage is primarily 1 and 2 bed apartments in Dublin city centre, and if we can solve that problem it takes the pressure off of everywhere else.
Those houses probably arent built to todays relatively new standards, air tightness etc, so would cost too much to modernise and complete.
It’s hilarious that the same people who object repeatedly to housing in their areas – which are usually in cities & extremely well serviced by public amenities – love pointing to derelict ghost estates in the middle of nowhere and offering them as a better alternative.
No, the alternative is going to be in your backyard.
I think one of these was built by a developer neighbour of mine during the boom. If it’s anything like the standard he built prior, they are at best fancy rubble. They were throw up in a hurry when the government briefly considered decentralizing.
[deleted]
They can’t instantly be delivered because they’ve been sitting out untouched for years and most probably need to be knocked.
I bet that’s Leos rainy day fund.
>Instant
Yeah, it wouldn’t be instant, but still. 12 months and nothing done. Had they started on them a year ago, could we have a few hundred ready to go? Maybe more? Guess we’ll never know. Ah well, Leo says they’re doing everything they can…
If there is sufficient supply demand drops and therefore ridiculous rents and sale prices cannot be justified
I’m surprised there are still ghost estates, most of them were finished years ago by the looks of things, only the ones in the middle of nowhere and have no infrastructure didn’t get finished by the looks of things
Daily Mail article. At least before it went online the paper it was printed on was useful for some things.
I’m going to open myself up to serious abuse here, but the implosion of our building industry during the bust years is the major reason behind our current housing crisis.
The broad term of ‘Builders’ was a toxic word for at least half a decade (closer to 7 or 8 years before economic recovery was evident) after the taxpayers were left to pick up the tab through reckless lending to construction companies on behalf of the banks.
Many of the cowboys were gutted (thankfully), some recovered (unfortunately), but the real loss was our best laborors/tradesmen/engineers/architects emigrating to Australia, Canada, US, UK, the UAE etc.
Skilled tradesmen don’t grow on trees, neither do the massive influx of Eastern European laborors with building trade experience who entered Ireland at that time during the Boom years, who either returned home to their emerging economies or up-skilled elsewhere in Ireland.
If anyone even broached the topic of construction between 2009 and 2016 they were shot down as idiots, and it was at least partially correct, we had a huge bill to pay to Europe, the IMF and the UK, why would we invest money in building when there was thousands of unoccupied houses in ghost estates around Dublin, let alone the country?
Then times changed, cheap houses were scooped up en-masse by private companies, landlords, but mostly house buyers in the market and now we didn’t only not have the workforce, but a wary lending policy from financial institutions and at least 5 years of next to zero construction nationwide, to meet demand.
Our housing crisis started a decade ago, when the country was awash with cheap houses and ghost estates.
I could be wrong but in another article in the Independent it states that the 2000 figure are ones that have been deemed as potential homes so they’d still be fit for use? The rest of the houses are not.
Also the council can deem the ones that aren’t as derelict and knock and build again?
So out of the huge number of houses left unoccupied or unfinished during the housing crisis we’re down to the last 2000 or so and they think that these ones will be easy to fix up? I guarantee that whatever sites are STILL unused after so long and in such a booming housing market will have some serious reasons why private developers haven’t grabbed them yet.