The shutdown of the remaining German reactors coincides with the startup of a new reactor on the Finnish coast.
They’re both on the same side.
They’re both building renewables capacity much faster than they are building nuclear capacity.
Finland is a cold country. Hence it needs cheap heating. Hence it needs much electricity.
Finland used to be a net importer of electricity, and maybe still is, so dismantling existing NPPs just isn’t an option, and gas would be too expensive.
Also the building of the finish plant started 18 years ago…i don’t think they would spend the money and time now..
I’m all for nuclear, but the Finnish plant is a good example of the problems inherent in building it. It was supposed to open in 2009! It has been a running joke for over a decade here how it keeps getting delayed. Nuclear is hard and complicated. Meanwhile far more renewables have been built in the same time period.
Still, the lesson here is probably that you shouldn’t order experimental new reactors from foreign firms with no experience building them and differing safety culture, and then use dodgy subcontractors who keep fucking up basic things – not that you shouldn’t invest in nuclear. Just don’t take risks with it.
Tbf Denmark is more affected since our net export to them grew by 35% because of the embargo. But still the biggest importer of electricity from Sweden is Finland.
I mean don’t get me wrong they are trying to change things. But as of now they will not be self reliant for a couple of more years. At best we will export less electricity to them over the years.
Here is a promise made by a finnish politician that they might be self-sufficient in a few years (take this statement with a grain of salt).
[Finland will be self-sufficient in electricity within a year or two, says minister](https://yle.fi/a/3-12618297)
Good on them for trying to fix their situation but I don’t think anyone should look to them for inspiration.
If you look at this objectively, Germany is a net exporter of electricity
>In 2021, Germany imported 52.4 terawatt hours of electricity and exported 71.6 terawatt hours.
This plant in Finland was supposed to be online more than 10 years ago. Meanwhile Germany is a net exporter. It is important to not lose focus. We need to fix our energy crisis fast. Thinking only nuclear is going to fix everything a mistake (we need electricity today, not in 20 years). To ban nuclear is a mistake (we need to be 100% self-sufficent). Finlands situation if it weren’t for strong relationship to the west wouldn’t be ideal. Of course we will always export to Finland because they always help us when we need them. But their situation is not ideal, since that plant took over a decade longer and cost 8 BILLIONS over budget.
There is a lot of nuance missing in these comments.
I thought the end of nuclear power in Germany would mean the end of these kinds of threads.
Nuclear is the future. It provides very large quantities of clean, stable power. We here in Canada are working on perfecting Small Modular Reactors and when we do this will mean nuclear will become cheaper, quicker to build and more versatile in locations allowing them to be put almost anywhere. We are already building the first plants and they go online in 2028. Here is hoping they can take off all over the west!
Germany is the nuclear equivalent of an anti vaxxer
>Almost 12 years after Angela Merkel’s administration decided to abandon nuclear power following the Fukushima (Japan) disaster
Just amazing what kind of damage one over emotional low IQ politician can do…
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The shutdown of the remaining German reactors coincides with the startup of a new reactor on the Finnish coast.
They’re both on the same side.
They’re both building renewables capacity much faster than they are building nuclear capacity.
Finland is a cold country. Hence it needs cheap heating. Hence it needs much electricity.
Finland used to be a net importer of electricity, and maybe still is, so dismantling existing NPPs just isn’t an option, and gas would be too expensive.
Also the building of the finish plant started 18 years ago…i don’t think they would spend the money and time now..
I’m all for nuclear, but the Finnish plant is a good example of the problems inherent in building it. It was supposed to open in 2009! It has been a running joke for over a decade here how it keeps getting delayed. Nuclear is hard and complicated. Meanwhile far more renewables have been built in the same time period.
Still, the lesson here is probably that you shouldn’t order experimental new reactors from foreign firms with no experience building them and differing safety culture, and then use dodgy subcontractors who keep fucking up basic things – not that you shouldn’t invest in nuclear. Just don’t take risks with it.
Finland has major issues with electricity.
[Last year about 42% of Swedens total net export went to Finland. (We exported around 15000GWh to Finland and imported 100GWh from them).](https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/energi/tillforsel-och-anvandning-av-energi/manatlig-elstatistik-och-byten-av-elleverantor/pong/tabell-och-diagram/import-och-export-av-el-manadsvis/)
Tbf Denmark is more affected since our net export to them grew by 35% because of the embargo. But still the biggest importer of electricity from Sweden is Finland.
I mean don’t get me wrong they are trying to change things. But as of now they will not be self reliant for a couple of more years. At best we will export less electricity to them over the years.
Here is a promise made by a finnish politician that they might be self-sufficient in a few years (take this statement with a grain of salt).
[Finland will be self-sufficient in electricity within a year or two, says minister](https://yle.fi/a/3-12618297)
Good on them for trying to fix their situation but I don’t think anyone should look to them for inspiration.
If you look at this objectively, Germany is a net exporter of electricity
>In 2021, Germany imported 52.4 terawatt hours of electricity and exported 71.6 terawatt hours.
And Finland is a net importer
>net imports of 23.9 TWh
https://www.export.gov/apex/article2?id=Finland-Energy
This plant in Finland was supposed to be online more than 10 years ago. Meanwhile Germany is a net exporter. It is important to not lose focus. We need to fix our energy crisis fast. Thinking only nuclear is going to fix everything a mistake (we need electricity today, not in 20 years). To ban nuclear is a mistake (we need to be 100% self-sufficent). Finlands situation if it weren’t for strong relationship to the west wouldn’t be ideal. Of course we will always export to Finland because they always help us when we need them. But their situation is not ideal, since that plant took over a decade longer and cost 8 BILLIONS over budget.
There is a lot of nuance missing in these comments.
I thought the end of nuclear power in Germany would mean the end of these kinds of threads.
Nuclear is the future. It provides very large quantities of clean, stable power. We here in Canada are working on perfecting Small Modular Reactors and when we do this will mean nuclear will become cheaper, quicker to build and more versatile in locations allowing them to be put almost anywhere. We are already building the first plants and they go online in 2028. Here is hoping they can take off all over the west!
Germany is the nuclear equivalent of an anti vaxxer
>Almost 12 years after Angela Merkel’s administration decided to abandon nuclear power following the Fukushima (Japan) disaster
Just amazing what kind of damage one over emotional low IQ politician can do…
Renewable is the way
Finland >>> Germany
Sorry not sorry.