I understand why they do it from a financial point of view, but imo no one should every be obligated to help their parents. In most cases, if you were a good parent, your child will help you anyways.
Unless you dont have any connection with your parent(s). So fuck you to all the deadbeat parents
>Als kind moet je immers bijspringen in het onderhoud van je ouders. Dat heet de onderhoudsplicht, die wettelijk is vastgelegd.
This is very debatable. That law goes both ways, and I know *a lot* of people for who that wasn’t the case.
If my father were to pull that on me, then I’d mention the whole court case he caused in order to escape the alimony. The maybe 20.000€ he avoided paying here and there. Other crimes here and there. He is the one owing me and my mother money if anything.
On the other end, well, I have many scars that can’t be explained in many ways other than physical abuse. In some way that’s probably also an absurd amount of money.
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I think that really is a recipe to dig up family drama.
So many people expect to be able for someone to inherit the wealth their parents saved, but not pay for the parents care? It’s a two way street in my opinion…
In homecare the price is based on your income. So people with a small pension pay less than people with big pensions. This should also be the case in nursing homes. The gouvernement pays the rest.
I still wear the backpack from a neglected childhood decades later.
I never had any financial support from them.
And now they can force me to pay?
Fuck them!
So , what exactly do we pay these taxes for?
Om wat nuance te brengen:
* Gemiddeld verblijf in de. WCZ is ongeveer 2,9 jaar.
* De mediaan is 2 jaar.
* Bijna de helft van de mannen blijft minder dan een jaar in een wcz. Voor vrouwen is dat 1 op 4.
* 3 op 4 zijn zwaar hulpbehoevend.
* De gemiddelde leeftijd waarop men in een wcz terecht komt is 82 jaar. En meestal na een ziekenhuisverblijf.
* 1 op 5 80-plussers verblijft in een wcz.
* Kwetsbare ouderen komen vaker in een wcz terecht. Het gaat om 1 op 4 80-plusserd met een verhoogde tegemoetkoming itt 1 op 6 in de groep zonder.
Die cijfers gaan over die groep die effectief in een wcz terecht komt. Er zijn ook mensen die voortijdig overlijden, of thuis of in een ziekenhuis overlijden op hoge leeftijd.
Met andere woorden, een wcz is dan ook de plaats als thuis wonen écht niet meer gaat. Op dat punt aangekomen, is de levensverwachting ook geen lange jaren meer. Hoe dan ook, zorg – hoe kort ook – kost geld, en dat roept een harde vraag op: verdient iedereen een menswaardig levenseinde, of enkel zij die er zelf voor kunnen betalen?
De onderhoudsplicht is een vorm van collectieve, intergenerationele solidariteit om dat laatste te kunnen garanderen; ook voor kwetsbare ouderen die doorheen hun leven niet het kapitaal konden opbouwen en dus voor zorg op het einde op anderen moeten terug vallen.
Niemand heeft natuurlijk zijn eigen lot vol in handen. Een wcz verblijf wordt echt navenant duur als jij en je kinderen slechts een bescheiden pensioen / inkomen hebben, en je de pech hebt lang zorgbehoevend in leven te blijven (bv. jongdementie, chronische aandoeningen,…) Ook al kan iedereen als kind / oudere in die situatie terecht komen, in de praktijk komt het vaak ook gewoon nooit zo ver.
At my mom’s job, the monthly cost for staying at the nursing home is 2500. There’s no fucking way their little subsidy of 135 or even 260 makes even a dent in that. Only option is to sell your house at that point, and if you don’t own one, well too bad. I don’t get why the children should go into financial trouble for that if they’ve already paid for it with taxes and social security.
Ge komt int leven me niks en stapt eruit me niks
It’s a difficult subject. Every family has its own dynamics, its own history and there will never be a solution that satisfies everone.
My parents were quite healthy until their late 80’s and needed some but still limited support in their last few years. Both died peacefully at home.
I’m the first to acknowledge that they – and us, their 7 children – were very lucky. The question of paying for their care in a WZC never came up.
I don’t believe it’s fair to make the taxpayer shoulder all the costs beyond the pension these people receive. Savings and, yes, a house or other real estate should be used to pay for their care. Up to a residual of, say 25K. Leave that for some extra’s and the funeral costs – morbid as that seems.
As for children to contribute to the cost? That’s a tough one. Unless the savings (including the value of the real estate as stated above) are exhausted: I’d say no – but if parents or children refuse to sell the house, for instance, for sentimental reasons or because the children hope for a higher inheritance in the future, then yes. Children: take the gamble – pay now for your parents’ care, sell later. Or sell now, parents pay for their own care – wait for what’s left. (And if you have siblings: hope that you all agree on one strategy)
For children who grew up in disfunctional, abusive families or had an absent parent: there should be a way to prove a fundamental break in the relationship that absolves them from contributing to their care.
What happens if the children moved abroad ?
My dad was an abusive asshole. I moved to the US so good luck getting that money from me 😂
This is the law indeed, but there is a legal procedure to avoid that. The best is to see a lawyer as soon as possible before it is too late. I don’t recall how this procedure is named, but a very close friend of mine used it against her father.
This is obviously a rule from times when CVP was like “family is the cornerstone of society”, but we should get rid of it asap.
You simply can’t be made responsible for the financial situation of your parents, who have had an entire life to make sure they’d have enough funds.
Also poor people lose keep losing. Statistically children of poor people have more chance to be poor themselves and/or have a lower socio-economic status. So they have less budget to take care of their parents. And they will not get any kind of inheritance if their parents end up in such a situation.
My parents did everything for me and I love them to bits. I wouldn’t mind paying for their comfort where needed.
Blankenberge, Blankenberge,
wondermooie stad,
ik wou dat ik in mijn woonzorgcentrum
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I understand why they do it from a financial point of view, but imo no one should every be obligated to help their parents. In most cases, if you were a good parent, your child will help you anyways.
Unless you dont have any connection with your parent(s). So fuck you to all the deadbeat parents
>Als kind moet je immers bijspringen in het onderhoud van je ouders. Dat heet de onderhoudsplicht, die wettelijk is vastgelegd.
This is very debatable. That law goes both ways, and I know *a lot* of people for who that wasn’t the case.
If my father were to pull that on me, then I’d mention the whole court case he caused in order to escape the alimony. The maybe 20.000€ he avoided paying here and there. Other crimes here and there. He is the one owing me and my mother money if anything.
On the other end, well, I have many scars that can’t be explained in many ways other than physical abuse. In some way that’s probably also an absurd amount of money.
​
I think that really is a recipe to dig up family drama.
So many people expect to be able for someone to inherit the wealth their parents saved, but not pay for the parents care? It’s a two way street in my opinion…
In homecare the price is based on your income. So people with a small pension pay less than people with big pensions. This should also be the case in nursing homes. The gouvernement pays the rest.
I still wear the backpack from a neglected childhood decades later.
I never had any financial support from them.
And now they can force me to pay?
Fuck them!
So , what exactly do we pay these taxes for?
Om wat nuance te brengen:
* Gemiddeld verblijf in de. WCZ is ongeveer 2,9 jaar.
* De mediaan is 2 jaar.
* Bijna de helft van de mannen blijft minder dan een jaar in een wcz. Voor vrouwen is dat 1 op 4.
* 3 op 4 zijn zwaar hulpbehoevend.
* De gemiddelde leeftijd waarop men in een wcz terecht komt is 82 jaar. En meestal na een ziekenhuisverblijf.
* 1 op 5 80-plussers verblijft in een wcz.
* Kwetsbare ouderen komen vaker in een wcz terecht. Het gaat om 1 op 4 80-plusserd met een verhoogde tegemoetkoming itt 1 op 6 in de groep zonder.
https://corporate.solidaris-vlaanderen.be/pers/bewoners-van-woonzorgcentra-verblijven-er-gemiddeld-29-jaar/
Die cijfers gaan over die groep die effectief in een wcz terecht komt. Er zijn ook mensen die voortijdig overlijden, of thuis of in een ziekenhuis overlijden op hoge leeftijd.
Met andere woorden, een wcz is dan ook de plaats als thuis wonen écht niet meer gaat. Op dat punt aangekomen, is de levensverwachting ook geen lange jaren meer. Hoe dan ook, zorg – hoe kort ook – kost geld, en dat roept een harde vraag op: verdient iedereen een menswaardig levenseinde, of enkel zij die er zelf voor kunnen betalen?
De onderhoudsplicht is een vorm van collectieve, intergenerationele solidariteit om dat laatste te kunnen garanderen; ook voor kwetsbare ouderen die doorheen hun leven niet het kapitaal konden opbouwen en dus voor zorg op het einde op anderen moeten terug vallen.
Niemand heeft natuurlijk zijn eigen lot vol in handen. Een wcz verblijf wordt echt navenant duur als jij en je kinderen slechts een bescheiden pensioen / inkomen hebben, en je de pech hebt lang zorgbehoevend in leven te blijven (bv. jongdementie, chronische aandoeningen,…) Ook al kan iedereen als kind / oudere in die situatie terecht komen, in de praktijk komt het vaak ook gewoon nooit zo ver.
At my mom’s job, the monthly cost for staying at the nursing home is 2500. There’s no fucking way their little subsidy of 135 or even 260 makes even a dent in that. Only option is to sell your house at that point, and if you don’t own one, well too bad. I don’t get why the children should go into financial trouble for that if they’ve already paid for it with taxes and social security.
Ge komt int leven me niks en stapt eruit me niks
It’s a difficult subject. Every family has its own dynamics, its own history and there will never be a solution that satisfies everone.
My parents were quite healthy until their late 80’s and needed some but still limited support in their last few years. Both died peacefully at home.
I’m the first to acknowledge that they – and us, their 7 children – were very lucky. The question of paying for their care in a WZC never came up.
I don’t believe it’s fair to make the taxpayer shoulder all the costs beyond the pension these people receive. Savings and, yes, a house or other real estate should be used to pay for their care. Up to a residual of, say 25K. Leave that for some extra’s and the funeral costs – morbid as that seems.
As for children to contribute to the cost? That’s a tough one. Unless the savings (including the value of the real estate as stated above) are exhausted: I’d say no – but if parents or children refuse to sell the house, for instance, for sentimental reasons or because the children hope for a higher inheritance in the future, then yes. Children: take the gamble – pay now for your parents’ care, sell later. Or sell now, parents pay for their own care – wait for what’s left. (And if you have siblings: hope that you all agree on one strategy)
For children who grew up in disfunctional, abusive families or had an absent parent: there should be a way to prove a fundamental break in the relationship that absolves them from contributing to their care.
What happens if the children moved abroad ?
My dad was an abusive asshole. I moved to the US so good luck getting that money from me 😂
This is the law indeed, but there is a legal procedure to avoid that. The best is to see a lawyer as soon as possible before it is too late. I don’t recall how this procedure is named, but a very close friend of mine used it against her father.
This is obviously a rule from times when CVP was like “family is the cornerstone of society”, but we should get rid of it asap.
You simply can’t be made responsible for the financial situation of your parents, who have had an entire life to make sure they’d have enough funds.
Also poor people lose keep losing. Statistically children of poor people have more chance to be poor themselves and/or have a lower socio-economic status. So they have less budget to take care of their parents. And they will not get any kind of inheritance if their parents end up in such a situation.
My parents did everything for me and I love them to bits. I wouldn’t mind paying for their comfort where needed.
Blankenberge, Blankenberge,
wondermooie stad,
ik wou dat ik in mijn woonzorgcentrum
ook een Blankenberge had….