>“In my school, English teachers have been marking essays where students say that the portrayal of Curley’s wife in Of Mice And Men proves that women are dangerous and they belong in the kitchen.
Been a while since I read it but this is some take.
Poor state of the world today where the male role model of choice is Andrew Tate. Rather than cancelling him we need to offer better and offline options instead.
It is difficult to decide how big a problem it actually is, because young boys do have a tendency to go through a stage of being insufferable wannabe edgelords, and it is tempting to think that they are flirting with this stuff exactly because they know it will get a reaction, and will grow out of it.
At the same time, though, stuff like this can’t become normalised. If kids are brazenly making sexualised or sexist comments to teachers, they need to be coming down on it like a tonne of bricks, and with parental backing.
Is hearing sexist comments at school really down to Andrew Tate? I remembering hearing this Stuff at School before he was a thing. Although he’s a disgusting individual his influence seems to be a bit of a Moral Panic.
It’s entirely circumstantial evidence but my son who is at secondary school, says that all the boys he knows are big Andrew Tate fans.
Unfortunately he often gets ostracised because he thinks Tate is a complete prick.
The sad fact is that there are legions of terrible parents that allow this to happen.
Any form of exposure to “influencers” online is damaging to children.
Influencers are purely driven by generating revenue, and that revenue generation comes through:
– Getting views, even if that means being immoral, dishonest or outright rude.
– Plugging overpriced / useless products to try and establish a fad.
Some Influencers also thrive in echo-chambers… the gathering together of close-minded people who have restricted views and are unwilling to accept that there may be other perspectives to consider. But it goes both ways. On one side of the spectrum, you have people being offensive to those who don’t agree with them, and on the other side of the spectrum, you have people being offensive to those who don’t agree with them.
It’ll never change though. The can of worms has well and truly been opened…
The best we (as parents) can do is raise our children to the best of our ability and educate them on all of this. Ultimately, if the child is being raised well, has a good relationship with their parents, and has a good understanding of how all this works, then there’s a good chance that they’ll be able to think for themselves when exposed to influencer bullshit.
Nothing new, young lads have been obnoxious bell ends for centuries.
The “16 year olds should vote” crowd who think kids are all little pro labour green party loving Thunbergs really have no idea how bad the reactionary stuff has gotten with the boys.
It’s honestly awful at the moment, and one reason I quit teaching.
I’m a feminine gay guy, and being a teacher was a constant battle against Andrew Tate nonsense, and kids going on and on and on about being alpha males and other toxic masculinity nonsense.
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A boy in my daughter’s school just got a full days detention and had to rewrite his essay because he wrote about Andrew Tate in his GCSE English mock. So this news doesn’t surprise me at all.
It’s a shame that ways of psychological manipulation and propaganda are not taught at school. People, especially the young, need to be able to recognise the signs of manipulation and how to defuse it and pull themselves out of it.
Unfortunately it is not going to happen, because government is using the same techniques against the population and when people learn about e.g. how nudge works, it will stop being effective.
Eugh.
Let me get this out of the way. I’m in NO WAY an Andrew tate / petersen fan.
But I DO kind of get why men/boys are atractted to the ideas the peddle. If you’re told EVERY SINGLE DAY, non-stop that you are evil /bad just for being born male, constantly told that your achievements are worth nothing and that only women’s views / feelings / needs matter, then of course eventually this sort of thing is going to happen.
It’s a mistake to give “Tate” any attention. I’m sure there are other equally vile creeps (the disgusting dating “masters” come to mind). Education is the only way to fight this.
Last time a thing about Andrew Tate was posted, there were lots of posters explaining that the issue was that no one listens to young men.
That they feel persecuted.
There are areas in which I can understand this – seen as the ‘oppressors’ in sex / race issues, high expectations on careers, expectations on appearance and masculinity.
But they also said this was why they watched misogynistic content. I asked for further explanation of what it was that specifically attracted them to the misogynistic content – but the only answer I got was ‘you should just listen to them’.
So, still unclear as to what is driving the interest in misogynistic content – can anyone elaborate?
This isn’t the first time I’ve read about what a big influence Andrew Tate is but I am still so surprised by it. He’s so lame
Disillusionment is pervasive across the working class male demographic who’re inculcated with the perception that they’re disenfranchised and their very existence is antagonistic to society’s palatable political persuasion.
Tate is the intoxicating coalescence of contemptuous disregard and alluring empathy. He’s a duplicitous narcissist but his effect is a symptom of low attainment, poverty, social class inertia, privation, cultural disdain, and inadequate education of boys.
Misogyny is so entrenched within society that any attempts of alleviate it is immediately pathologized; a thousand year old social rot isn’t compounded by sodding Andrew Tate alone, he’s just magnifying the societal corruption beneath.
I’m not surprised to see this, considering that misogyny appears to be on a rapid increase. Especially since that twat and his minions with podcasts have started voicing their opinions.
Also, there is an issue with parents who aren’t checking on their kids and the content that they consume online. Nor are the parents doing anything to correct their children’s shitty behaviour.
If these behaviours aren’t corrected, then these young boys are gonna go down a very dangerous path. Violent and entitled behaviours will start to show themselves as time goes on.
Tate isn’t the problem. He’s just a symptom.
Leaving our boys to fend off by themselves while we raise our girls not to their equal level but above them. Additionally, we supported so many other groups that it took people like Andrew Tate just a tiny bit of effort. Had they had good, masculine role models things would have been much different.
There’s a difference between being an edgelord and this.
I knew a lot of quote unquote edgelords back in the day (and probably was one myself to a degree), but it was kept to the context of bad playground jokes and little else. To be incorporating this into actual school work is a really bad sign and indicative of some level of indoctrination.
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>“In my school, English teachers have been marking essays where students say that the portrayal of Curley’s wife in Of Mice And Men proves that women are dangerous and they belong in the kitchen.
Been a while since I read it but this is some take.
Poor state of the world today where the male role model of choice is Andrew Tate. Rather than cancelling him we need to offer better and offline options instead.
It is difficult to decide how big a problem it actually is, because young boys do have a tendency to go through a stage of being insufferable wannabe edgelords, and it is tempting to think that they are flirting with this stuff exactly because they know it will get a reaction, and will grow out of it.
At the same time, though, stuff like this can’t become normalised. If kids are brazenly making sexualised or sexist comments to teachers, they need to be coming down on it like a tonne of bricks, and with parental backing.
Is hearing sexist comments at school really down to Andrew Tate? I remembering hearing this Stuff at School before he was a thing. Although he’s a disgusting individual his influence seems to be a bit of a Moral Panic.
It’s entirely circumstantial evidence but my son who is at secondary school, says that all the boys he knows are big Andrew Tate fans.
Unfortunately he often gets ostracised because he thinks Tate is a complete prick.
The sad fact is that there are legions of terrible parents that allow this to happen.
Any form of exposure to “influencers” online is damaging to children.
Influencers are purely driven by generating revenue, and that revenue generation comes through:
– Getting views, even if that means being immoral, dishonest or outright rude.
– Plugging overpriced / useless products to try and establish a fad.
Some Influencers also thrive in echo-chambers… the gathering together of close-minded people who have restricted views and are unwilling to accept that there may be other perspectives to consider. But it goes both ways. On one side of the spectrum, you have people being offensive to those who don’t agree with them, and on the other side of the spectrum, you have people being offensive to those who don’t agree with them.
It’ll never change though. The can of worms has well and truly been opened…
The best we (as parents) can do is raise our children to the best of our ability and educate them on all of this. Ultimately, if the child is being raised well, has a good relationship with their parents, and has a good understanding of how all this works, then there’s a good chance that they’ll be able to think for themselves when exposed to influencer bullshit.
Nothing new, young lads have been obnoxious bell ends for centuries.
The “16 year olds should vote” crowd who think kids are all little pro labour green party loving Thunbergs really have no idea how bad the reactionary stuff has gotten with the boys.
It’s honestly awful at the moment, and one reason I quit teaching.
I’m a feminine gay guy, and being a teacher was a constant battle against Andrew Tate nonsense, and kids going on and on and on about being alpha males and other toxic masculinity nonsense.
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A boy in my daughter’s school just got a full days detention and had to rewrite his essay because he wrote about Andrew Tate in his GCSE English mock. So this news doesn’t surprise me at all.
It’s a shame that ways of psychological manipulation and propaganda are not taught at school. People, especially the young, need to be able to recognise the signs of manipulation and how to defuse it and pull themselves out of it.
Unfortunately it is not going to happen, because government is using the same techniques against the population and when people learn about e.g. how nudge works, it will stop being effective.
Eugh.
Let me get this out of the way. I’m in NO WAY an Andrew tate / petersen fan.
But I DO kind of get why men/boys are atractted to the ideas the peddle. If you’re told EVERY SINGLE DAY, non-stop that you are evil /bad just for being born male, constantly told that your achievements are worth nothing and that only women’s views / feelings / needs matter, then of course eventually this sort of thing is going to happen.
It’s a mistake to give “Tate” any attention. I’m sure there are other equally vile creeps (the disgusting dating “masters” come to mind). Education is the only way to fight this.
Last time a thing about Andrew Tate was posted, there were lots of posters explaining that the issue was that no one listens to young men.
That they feel persecuted.
There are areas in which I can understand this – seen as the ‘oppressors’ in sex / race issues, high expectations on careers, expectations on appearance and masculinity.
But they also said this was why they watched misogynistic content. I asked for further explanation of what it was that specifically attracted them to the misogynistic content – but the only answer I got was ‘you should just listen to them’.
So, still unclear as to what is driving the interest in misogynistic content – can anyone elaborate?
This isn’t the first time I’ve read about what a big influence Andrew Tate is but I am still so surprised by it. He’s so lame
Disillusionment is pervasive across the working class male demographic who’re inculcated with the perception that they’re disenfranchised and their very existence is antagonistic to society’s palatable political persuasion.
Tate is the intoxicating coalescence of contemptuous disregard and alluring empathy. He’s a duplicitous narcissist but his effect is a symptom of low attainment, poverty, social class inertia, privation, cultural disdain, and inadequate education of boys.
Misogyny is so entrenched within society that any attempts of alleviate it is immediately pathologized; a thousand year old social rot isn’t compounded by sodding Andrew Tate alone, he’s just magnifying the societal corruption beneath.
I’m not surprised to see this, considering that misogyny appears to be on a rapid increase. Especially since that twat and his minions with podcasts have started voicing their opinions.
Also, there is an issue with parents who aren’t checking on their kids and the content that they consume online. Nor are the parents doing anything to correct their children’s shitty behaviour.
If these behaviours aren’t corrected, then these young boys are gonna go down a very dangerous path. Violent and entitled behaviours will start to show themselves as time goes on.
Tate isn’t the problem. He’s just a symptom.
Leaving our boys to fend off by themselves while we raise our girls not to their equal level but above them. Additionally, we supported so many other groups that it took people like Andrew Tate just a tiny bit of effort. Had they had good, masculine role models things would have been much different.
There’s a difference between being an edgelord and this.
I knew a lot of quote unquote edgelords back in the day (and probably was one myself to a degree), but it was kept to the context of bad playground jokes and little else. To be incorporating this into actual school work is a really bad sign and indicative of some level of indoctrination.