Why decriminalie without legalising it just gonna give money to the gangs. Instead of regulating it and taxing it
They’re opposed to it because if it gets decriminalised then they’ll have to do actual police work instead of following 16 year olds around all day spending thousands of euro of taxpayers money to catch someone selling 200 quid worth of weed.
This seems like a narrow minded view that’s all too common unfortunately. Hopefully it’s challenged at the assembly.
He says other countries have seen an increase in crime…. Is that a net increase? All crimes or certain crimes?
Drug driving might be up but is drunk driving down? Possession would be way down on account of it being legal which may free up resources to police other crimes?
He talks about drug tourism and yes Europe’s heroin users could descend en masse to Dublin. Though with the availability of black market drugs throughout Europe, would many actually move?
Do you draw a distinction from the ‘drug tourists’ who fill up temple bar every March?
He states that it’s morally wrong to legalize drugs as it would mean having to buy cocaine from cartels.
How does that follow? Where do we currently get methadone? Are we saying to legalize all drugs or decriminalize some and legalize others? Is it possible to synthesize cocaine?
That was just a whole lot of nothing from the assistant commissioner.
A lot of good arguments are raised in that article that go beyond “Gardai worried for job security or that they’ll have to do some actual police work”.
Complete legalisation of all drugs is an utterly moronic idea and there’s a reason why it hasn’t been done anywhere in the world.
I really don’t like drug use, but are we really so different to Portugal that their stance that works wonders wouldn’t be useful here?
Police opinions on drug policy are not relevant.
Sure if drugs were legal what excuse would the Gardaí have to shake down Deliveroo workers in Dublin?
“If we can’t look busy while harassing people over a bag of weed, people might expect us to do REAL police work.”
when are gardai doing random drug testing on their staff?
Do they realise that they are a lot of the problem?
What a prick. Most of his complaints and “concerns” are as a result of the current legal status. Now there is no alternative to source dubious quality drugs except from black markets.
>”It would be unconscionable for the Irish State to source cocaine from cartels,” he said.
Nonsense, no one is advocating that.
>When this filters down through society to people who use drugs – he said many commit crime to fuel their addictions.
Black market drugs are more expensive, exacerbating this. Drug gangs intimidate addicts adding further “incentive” to clear drug debts, also exacerbating this.
>He expressed particular concern over drug related intimidation – where drug debts are levied against families.
Less of an issue from legal dispensaries…
>He said the garda liaison officer based in Bogotá had witnessed the impact and damage to Colombia and the Colombian people by people who use drugs.
Black market fuels this impact.
>Where drugs use was legalised in the US, he said drug tourism had gone up and while it may be legal in some states, there was still a large illicit market.
Who cares? If they buy it in a legal manner it undercuts the black market of criminals.
>He said Germany was moving towards a more liberal model and Ireland would be watching to see if learnings could be taken from that.
Delaying tactic. Plenty “learnings” from US states that legalised certain drugs, yet they are still digging their heels in and refusing to consider a change.
One of the largest drug gangs in the world came up with the current approach the Garda are taking. And they want to keep it the same. Definition of stupidity
Anyone else think it’s a bitvsourious of RTE to show a file pic of hard drugs and not actual cannabis when it’s oy cannabis that’s actually on the (metaphorical) table….?
It’s naive to think the gardai aren’t getting a huge cut from illegal drugs. They have a lot to lose by regulating.
legalise all drugs, focus efforts on education, make it safe, tax it and work on treatment programs for those with mental health issues / abuse / addiction.
its a health issue not a criminal one, this has been obvious to anyone with half a brain for approx. 50 years. Which means our government will figure it out some time in 2323.
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Well he would say that wouldn’t he
Why decriminalie without legalising it just gonna give money to the gangs. Instead of regulating it and taxing it
They’re opposed to it because if it gets decriminalised then they’ll have to do actual police work instead of following 16 year olds around all day spending thousands of euro of taxpayers money to catch someone selling 200 quid worth of weed.
This seems like a narrow minded view that’s all too common unfortunately. Hopefully it’s challenged at the assembly.
He says other countries have seen an increase in crime…. Is that a net increase? All crimes or certain crimes?
Drug driving might be up but is drunk driving down? Possession would be way down on account of it being legal which may free up resources to police other crimes?
He talks about drug tourism and yes Europe’s heroin users could descend en masse to Dublin. Though with the availability of black market drugs throughout Europe, would many actually move?
Do you draw a distinction from the ‘drug tourists’ who fill up temple bar every March?
He states that it’s morally wrong to legalize drugs as it would mean having to buy cocaine from cartels.
How does that follow? Where do we currently get methadone? Are we saying to legalize all drugs or decriminalize some and legalize others? Is it possible to synthesize cocaine?
That was just a whole lot of nothing from the assistant commissioner.
A lot of good arguments are raised in that article that go beyond “Gardai worried for job security or that they’ll have to do some actual police work”.
Complete legalisation of all drugs is an utterly moronic idea and there’s a reason why it hasn’t been done anywhere in the world.
I really don’t like drug use, but are we really so different to Portugal that their stance that works wonders wouldn’t be useful here?
Police opinions on drug policy are not relevant.
Sure if drugs were legal what excuse would the Gardaí have to shake down Deliveroo workers in Dublin?
“If we can’t look busy while harassing people over a bag of weed, people might expect us to do REAL police work.”
when are gardai doing random drug testing on their staff?
Do they realise that they are a lot of the problem?
What a prick. Most of his complaints and “concerns” are as a result of the current legal status. Now there is no alternative to source dubious quality drugs except from black markets.
>”It would be unconscionable for the Irish State to source cocaine from cartels,” he said.
Nonsense, no one is advocating that.
>When this filters down through society to people who use drugs – he said many commit crime to fuel their addictions.
Black market drugs are more expensive, exacerbating this. Drug gangs intimidate addicts adding further “incentive” to clear drug debts, also exacerbating this.
>He expressed particular concern over drug related intimidation – where drug debts are levied against families.
Less of an issue from legal dispensaries…
>He said the garda liaison officer based in Bogotá had witnessed the impact and damage to Colombia and the Colombian people by people who use drugs.
Black market fuels this impact.
>Where drugs use was legalised in the US, he said drug tourism had gone up and while it may be legal in some states, there was still a large illicit market.
Who cares? If they buy it in a legal manner it undercuts the black market of criminals.
>He said Germany was moving towards a more liberal model and Ireland would be watching to see if learnings could be taken from that.
Delaying tactic. Plenty “learnings” from US states that legalised certain drugs, yet they are still digging their heels in and refusing to consider a change.
One of the largest drug gangs in the world came up with the current approach the Garda are taking. And they want to keep it the same. Definition of stupidity
Anyone else think it’s a bitvsourious of RTE to show a file pic of hard drugs and not actual cannabis when it’s oy cannabis that’s actually on the (metaphorical) table….?
It’s naive to think the gardai aren’t getting a huge cut from illegal drugs. They have a lot to lose by regulating.
legalise all drugs, focus efforts on education, make it safe, tax it and work on treatment programs for those with mental health issues / abuse / addiction.
its a health issue not a criminal one, this has been obvious to anyone with half a brain for approx. 50 years. Which means our government will figure it out some time in 2323.