Weird that the crowd that was crowing so loudly about the UK brining some French citizens home from Afghanistan are suddenly awfully silent.
Lol, Germany said it happened. UK said it didn’t happen.
All we have as proof of either claim, is their word.
Basically, your preexisting biases (anti-German or anti-British) will decide who you believe on this one.
I wonder what side /r/Europe will come down on… 🙄
This is exactly why the EU must begin to regard and treat the UK as a hostile 3rd nation.
“They allege British forces landed in Sudan without the Sudanese army’s permission”
Good. This isn’t really an accusation. The Germans wanted to use a particular airfield and the UK got there first. One way or the other someone’s evacuation effort was going to be delayed by the other, and I’d rather it be Germany’s.
While it is a he said she said situation. It is german politicians making the accusations and the British defense department responding.
Has the German DoD said anything? Judging by other comments Germany is really hamming it up. Are the translations wrong? Reporting wrong? It doesn’t seem like Germany to be so volatile but the fact only politicians are commenting has be thinkkng it smells a little weird.
The Sudanese haven’t commented, no one else has commented. Only Germany has commented?
This is quite a spat after what was a success from the Germans and other Europeans to evacuate.
Not only that but for the Germans to comment that we are abandoning citizens when we have far more than them seems a little insane no? Who are they to comment on such a situation? Escpecially that of an ally?
Is no one else thinking this stinks?
>The UK is in temporary control of the Sudanese airfield, having taken over from Germany overnight after Berlin completed its own rescue of more than 700 diplomats and civilians from at least 30 countries.
Britain was not allowed to even use an airfield while the Germans had it.
Germany despite having sole use of the airfield went in on Britain
>She said that, “unlike in other countries”, Germany’s evacuation had included all its nationals and not only embassy staff
Yet Britain is going to take as many as they can
>The British government is allowing other nationals with travel documents to board RAF planes if there is spare capacity, and ministers said earlier that there was not a crowd at the airport of people hoping to be evacuated as happened at Kabul 18 months ago.
As well as preparing a possible naval evacuation
>The UK government is considering other options, including a possible seaborne evacuation from Port Sudan, 500 miles from the capital, particularly if the air route is closed off. Wallace said on Tuesday he had asked frigate HMS Lancaster to sail to the port city to potentially help.
The comments from Germany just seem emotional, premature and immature. It’s not over yet, see what should be said when the dust settles.
This goes for all the shit Germany got early on in the Ukraine conflict to it was premature, charged with emotion and came across as unuseful bickering.
UK isn’t able to evacuate it’s own citizes so it proceeds to risk the lives of it’s allies’ citizens. Great show 😀
Schrödinger U.K. evacuation – both so slow that other European countries are reportedly having to take U.K. citizens but so quick that it delayed Germany evacuating
Speaking as someone who has been involved in military visits, very often what will happen is that you will be granted diplomatic clearance (DipClear) through the embassy, but when you arrive at the location, you will be told that that the DipClear isn’t valid in that part of the country, because it’s a restricted area or a national park or comes under a special jurisdiction, or that nobody from the national authority has bothered to inform the local authorities of the authorisation, etc, etc. These things happen and its rather unlikely that the British would simply send military forces into Sudan without obtaining DipClear from Sudanese authorities.
Phew, good thing that The Netherlands concluded their evacuation operation last night (for now), after doing multiple flights since 23 April to the capital to evacuate their embassy staff (including Sudanese staff), dutch nationals (and their dependents), and other (mostly European) nationals. 150 Dutch nationals were known to the embassy and wished to be evacuated, and over 150 have now been evacuated.
The Dutch worked together with the Germans and French to coordinate their evacuation effort. It worked smoothly without any problems. They also evacuated a person that was shot. Now they can avoid this mess if there is one to begin with.
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Weird that the crowd that was crowing so loudly about the UK brining some French citizens home from Afghanistan are suddenly awfully silent.
Lol, Germany said it happened. UK said it didn’t happen.
All we have as proof of either claim, is their word.
Basically, your preexisting biases (anti-German or anti-British) will decide who you believe on this one.
I wonder what side /r/Europe will come down on… 🙄
This is exactly why the EU must begin to regard and treat the UK as a hostile 3rd nation.
“They allege British forces landed in Sudan without the Sudanese army’s permission”
Good. This isn’t really an accusation. The Germans wanted to use a particular airfield and the UK got there first. One way or the other someone’s evacuation effort was going to be delayed by the other, and I’d rather it be Germany’s.
While it is a he said she said situation. It is german politicians making the accusations and the British defense department responding.
Has the German DoD said anything? Judging by other comments Germany is really hamming it up. Are the translations wrong? Reporting wrong? It doesn’t seem like Germany to be so volatile but the fact only politicians are commenting has be thinkkng it smells a little weird.
The Sudanese haven’t commented, no one else has commented. Only Germany has commented?
This is quite a spat after what was a success from the Germans and other Europeans to evacuate.
Not only that but for the Germans to comment that we are abandoning citizens when we have far more than them seems a little insane no? Who are they to comment on such a situation? Escpecially that of an ally?
Is no one else thinking this stinks?
>The UK is in temporary control of the Sudanese airfield, having taken over from Germany overnight after Berlin completed its own rescue of more than 700 diplomats and civilians from at least 30 countries.
Britain was not allowed to even use an airfield while the Germans had it.
Germany despite having sole use of the airfield went in on Britain
>She said that, “unlike in other countries”, Germany’s evacuation had included all its nationals and not only embassy staff
Yet Britain is going to take as many as they can
>The British government is allowing other nationals with travel documents to board RAF planes if there is spare capacity, and ministers said earlier that there was not a crowd at the airport of people hoping to be evacuated as happened at Kabul 18 months ago.
As well as preparing a possible naval evacuation
>The UK government is considering other options, including a possible seaborne evacuation from Port Sudan, 500 miles from the capital, particularly if the air route is closed off. Wallace said on Tuesday he had asked frigate HMS Lancaster to sail to the port city to potentially help.
The comments from Germany just seem emotional, premature and immature. It’s not over yet, see what should be said when the dust settles.
This goes for all the shit Germany got early on in the Ukraine conflict to it was premature, charged with emotion and came across as unuseful bickering.
UK isn’t able to evacuate it’s own citizes so it proceeds to risk the lives of it’s allies’ citizens. Great show 😀
Schrödinger U.K. evacuation – both so slow that other European countries are reportedly having to take U.K. citizens but so quick that it delayed Germany evacuating
Speaking as someone who has been involved in military visits, very often what will happen is that you will be granted diplomatic clearance (DipClear) through the embassy, but when you arrive at the location, you will be told that that the DipClear isn’t valid in that part of the country, because it’s a restricted area or a national park or comes under a special jurisdiction, or that nobody from the national authority has bothered to inform the local authorities of the authorisation, etc, etc. These things happen and its rather unlikely that the British would simply send military forces into Sudan without obtaining DipClear from Sudanese authorities.
Phew, good thing that The Netherlands concluded their evacuation operation last night (for now), after doing multiple flights since 23 April to the capital to evacuate their embassy staff (including Sudanese staff), dutch nationals (and their dependents), and other (mostly European) nationals. 150 Dutch nationals were known to the embassy and wished to be evacuated, and over 150 have now been evacuated.
The Dutch worked together with the Germans and French to coordinate their evacuation effort. It worked smoothly without any problems. They also evacuated a person that was shot. Now they can avoid this mess if there is one to begin with.