From the article-
“Despite making up only 13% of the total population, black Londoners account for 45% of the capital’s knife murder victims, according to the London Assembly.”
Is this down to poverty or racism? I wish in articles like these they could expand on just what ‘prevention’ means. If we all bloody knew perhaps we could begin to support it and give examples of how it has succeeded. Instead we get platitudes from the police spokesmen about “how every death is a tragedy’. The press have failed us. Rant over.
Competitive materialist culture, lack of compassion, toxic masculinity, poverty, US cultural imperialism.
Somewhere slap bang in the middle of that lot.
Gangs don’t have other means to resolve disputes. Someone didn’t pay for drugs? Can’t exactly take them to small claims court.
It’s just a result of the whole mess of unregulated drugs market and young people unable to make decent living. Why bother spending years on education, going to uni if all you can get is a shitty job that can’t even afford you a flat. People think streets is the good shortcut.
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It’s the “roadman” culture that has swept the entire UK. Even the radio is playing “music” glorifying drugs, violence and misogyny and you can hear it all on the school run.
Gee, after neglecting any kind of investment in communities and social care for years, and promoting a ‘me first’ and imported gangster style culture from the US, where violence is the first answer to everything, I wonder why violent crimes are increasing? And with the police being so trusted by so many communities too, with no daily scandals from them…
I’m not saying there’s a quick fix or easy answer, but the current strategy of neglect all services and promote poverty via the wholesale introduction of things like zero hours contracts and punitive financial punishments for anyone on benefits, do many people see any way out of a life of struggle if they’re not born relatively well off these days?
Any article that doesn’t mention lockdown is somewhat ridiculous. There is obviously going to be an increase when more people are going out compared to the previous period. The numbers also look to me pretty closely connected with May’s dramatic and devestating police cuts and the thing that ties it altogether austerity. It will take time to undo that if indeed people care about paying more tax to fund services for young people.
Lack of a police presence and a lack of any real punishment for smaller crimes. Scum get bolder.
I remember they blamed it on the knives and had one of those amnesty things at the police stations in our nearest city. They did a huge crackdown on knives being carried.
Apparently everyone switched to screwdrivers.
Well its simple isn’t it but the answer isn’t liked.
Its down to the following:
* Culture
* Gangster culture (roadman) and area heros being other gangster
* Lack of positive father figures
* Anti-intellectual culture prevalent in the uk.
* Centralising racial and cultural groups, instead of spreading out groups to allow mixing of ideas and tempering of ideals we’ve grouped people together and imported strive.
* Drugs.
* The illegality of drugs such as cannabis has created a lucrative business, that could be destroyed over night by using the same laws as alcohol.
* Police
* Lack of officers.
* Lack of same ethnic/class of officers, Policing is now a middle class job when it should be a working class job.
* Poverty
* Lack of investment in
* Schools
* After school activity
* Oppertunity
Well, why not look at what’s happened to policing over the last 13 years or so.
2010 recession: Cuts to schools funding and restructuring of funding allocations means poor performing schools now see less money.
As a result more pressure on teachers to improve results. Resulting in burnout for a majority of our teachers throughout the UK and many teachers leaving the profession.
2 – 3 years later knife crime starts to rise among the youth because many were leaving school without a decent education.
We’re in this situation because of austerity measures 13 years ago…
Suella Braverman – “I’m proud of what Conservatives have achieved since 2010… overall crime, excluding fraud, is down by 50%”
The stabbings won’t stop until we give all of the good kids guns. We’re stuck in an arms race between the good guys and the bad guys, but we do nothing to let the good ones defend themselves.
Cuts in funding to literally everything.
Someone got paid to write this article when just six words were required. Could cut the sentence down further for extra efficiency.
Funding cuts to every service.
When I grew up in the 90s I carried a blade cos everyone else did. Mental to think how normal it seemed to me then.
Disparities between affluent and abject poverty. Youth see a chance to get the trappings of wealth, money buys security in many ways. Folk walking around flashing visible wealth, wondering why they got robbed. Then the feeding frenzy results in agro and retribution. This is the result of a society built on peddling misery so it can lease you happiness. Buy this, wear that, you need these to look successful. Selling satisfaction to the unsatisfied in soundbites. Long proved that crime is linked to social deprivations and injustice.
I mean you can literally see the year the Tories came to power. Why are we even discussing whats wrong with Britain? Every chart shows the same – Tories came to power, austerity ended funding for most things, now society is crumbling.
These aren’t weird problems we don’t understand. We know why young men get into trouble, its an age old problem. Without hope, connection to society, without a future or a present all young men will have is “respect”.
They aren’t thinking “I better let this go because it’ll ruin my future” they believe their futures are already ruined. They don’t see society as theirs as its basically never helped them.
They get groomed by gangs and drug dealers because they offer something. Money and esteem society offers none of to them.
If respect and your gang is all you have in life, why wouldn’t you hurt people who threaten those things?
The individuals of the UK havent decided en masse by the millions to just start ruining the country. Its the people in charge. Blame them for once. Not kids and their music.
Poverty, simple. The most dangerous cities in the world are all pretty much in countries with low economic situations for the vast majority of its population. When people have little to look forward to, low prospects and no real way out of it then the social structure of society starts to decline.
You get an increase in drug users, increase in crime and an increase in antisocial behaviour. Antisocial behaviour is usually carried out by younger people who gather together in groups because they have nowhere else to be. These kids are watching their elders struggle or breaking the law to survive.
They become small gangs, these gangs can be a group of three but have the mentality that they must protect what they do have and prove themselves. Now if all they have is a reputation then pulling a knife to protect it is worth more than a life.
The lack of funding in these lower income areas, lack of investment in businesses and the young and even less in the police equates to almost a lawless society. No police presence and even when they are called they do nothing if they come at all means 9/10 people are getting away with things. It starts with vandalism and petty crime but the longer you get away with something the bolder people get and then you end up with rife crime and knife attacks.
So yeah poverty, well that’s what I think anyway but what the fuck do I know haha.
Why are the stats like this England and wales? How can you include England stats with wales, portraying wales to have a stabbing problem
> Increased poverty and decreased prospects leads to increased crime
Who would have known
There’s nothing new about stabbings in uk. London has had major waves of stabbings over last 20 years.
(Yes, I am still salty that I couldn’t own a genuine katana because of the silly laws in response)
As a thought expirment pretend you are a Tory and you live in London in one of those mansions with 8 levels of basement. You are still pretty likley to be stabbed as anyone else living in London. Therefore, you don’t think massive cuts in funding of the police, youth services etc is in anyway a good idea as high levels violence in society is not your interest.
I don’t even understand the thought process – this is a lose lose.
Also the fear of being intelligent. People are satisfied with a C or 5~ but cba to push for more because either “nobody looks at grades” or you’re considered a nerd for at least trying so they turn to going out dressing up like roadmen to look cool
Isn’t it weird how deeply damaging societal decay tends to follow a long-term Tory government?
As sure as night follows day.
Yet people vote for them.
you guys are lucky that you arnt flooded with guns like the US. so easy to get a gun here.
I’d be curious to know what the statistics on single parent homes and perpetrators of knife crime are
It’s not the music. It’s not the drugs. They’ve been around for fucking donkey’s years.
It’ll be related to the rise in social media, the lack of shit to do outside of school, and an ever increasing materialist society that has no room for any kind of religion or spirituality or anything that teaches empathy, or forgiveness.
The responsible. Ministry has taken years to act on banning.
Stronger Laws need to be implied.
Perhaps sending them to The Worlds worst prisons.. With long time sente
Because we dont have guns that’s why this isn’t surprising we’re only shocked by this because we believe all that bullshit about civilised society this is the side of human nature no one wants to admit lurks in all of us
We have an atrophying economy, an individualist culture that has now breached into selfish, and pathetic policing and judicial systems, that provide spotty enforcement at best.
I came to see if the US will be used for blame or comparison. Wasn’t disappointed.
Because too many parents aren’t controlling their children
Fastest and largest decrease in living standards EVER.
Why the fuck wouldn’t people who have nothing turn to crime?
Other than everything else mentioned here (gang culture,drugs etc)it’s also lack of consequences and short sentence times. If sentences were harsher and if people found with knives on them were given more than just a slap on the wrist there would probably be less knife crime.
Because we do absolutely nothing about low level thug/sociopath behaviour at a young age, then wonder why they grow up to be actual thugs/sociopaths.
2011 the conservatives “big society” and austerity cut all funding to councils which in turn cut all finding for local initiatives and after school activities. Food banks suddenly became the only thing for many to survive
Theresa May cut thousands of police and police stations have closed to save money. You never see any police and the public perception is they won’t help so why even call them.
This has lead to basically break down of many societies structures.
There is a long list of 13 years Tory rule that has destroyed the country and those first few years of austerity I believe led to the brexit vote going the way it did which in itself has made the country even worse and a death by a thousands cuts over a longer time.
And yes all this had correlated with the increase in stabbings
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From the article-
“Despite making up only 13% of the total population, black Londoners account for 45% of the capital’s knife murder victims, according to the London Assembly.”
Is this down to poverty or racism? I wish in articles like these they could expand on just what ‘prevention’ means. If we all bloody knew perhaps we could begin to support it and give examples of how it has succeeded. Instead we get platitudes from the police spokesmen about “how every death is a tragedy’. The press have failed us. Rant over.
Competitive materialist culture, lack of compassion, toxic masculinity, poverty, US cultural imperialism.
Somewhere slap bang in the middle of that lot.
Gangs don’t have other means to resolve disputes. Someone didn’t pay for drugs? Can’t exactly take them to small claims court.
It’s just a result of the whole mess of unregulated drugs market and young people unable to make decent living. Why bother spending years on education, going to uni if all you can get is a shitty job that can’t even afford you a flat. People think streets is the good shortcut.
[deleted]
It’s the “roadman” culture that has swept the entire UK. Even the radio is playing “music” glorifying drugs, violence and misogyny and you can hear it all on the school run.
Gee, after neglecting any kind of investment in communities and social care for years, and promoting a ‘me first’ and imported gangster style culture from the US, where violence is the first answer to everything, I wonder why violent crimes are increasing? And with the police being so trusted by so many communities too, with no daily scandals from them…
I’m not saying there’s a quick fix or easy answer, but the current strategy of neglect all services and promote poverty via the wholesale introduction of things like zero hours contracts and punitive financial punishments for anyone on benefits, do many people see any way out of a life of struggle if they’re not born relatively well off these days?
Any article that doesn’t mention lockdown is somewhat ridiculous. There is obviously going to be an increase when more people are going out compared to the previous period. The numbers also look to me pretty closely connected with May’s dramatic and devestating police cuts and the thing that ties it altogether austerity. It will take time to undo that if indeed people care about paying more tax to fund services for young people.
Lack of a police presence and a lack of any real punishment for smaller crimes. Scum get bolder.
I remember they blamed it on the knives and had one of those amnesty things at the police stations in our nearest city. They did a huge crackdown on knives being carried.
Apparently everyone switched to screwdrivers.
Well its simple isn’t it but the answer isn’t liked.
Its down to the following:
* Culture
* Gangster culture (roadman) and area heros being other gangster
* Lack of positive father figures
* Anti-intellectual culture prevalent in the uk.
* Centralising racial and cultural groups, instead of spreading out groups to allow mixing of ideas and tempering of ideals we’ve grouped people together and imported strive.
* Drugs.
* The illegality of drugs such as cannabis has created a lucrative business, that could be destroyed over night by using the same laws as alcohol.
* Police
* Lack of officers.
* Lack of same ethnic/class of officers, Policing is now a middle class job when it should be a working class job.
* Poverty
* Lack of investment in
* Schools
* After school activity
* Oppertunity
Well, why not look at what’s happened to policing over the last 13 years or so.
2010 recession: Cuts to schools funding and restructuring of funding allocations means poor performing schools now see less money.
As a result more pressure on teachers to improve results. Resulting in burnout for a majority of our teachers throughout the UK and many teachers leaving the profession.
2 – 3 years later knife crime starts to rise among the youth because many were leaving school without a decent education.
We’re in this situation because of austerity measures 13 years ago…
Suella Braverman – “I’m proud of what Conservatives have achieved since 2010… overall crime, excluding fraud, is down by 50%”
The stabbings won’t stop until we give all of the good kids guns. We’re stuck in an arms race between the good guys and the bad guys, but we do nothing to let the good ones defend themselves.
Cuts in funding to literally everything.
Someone got paid to write this article when just six words were required. Could cut the sentence down further for extra efficiency.
Funding cuts to every service.
When I grew up in the 90s I carried a blade cos everyone else did. Mental to think how normal it seemed to me then.
Disparities between affluent and abject poverty. Youth see a chance to get the trappings of wealth, money buys security in many ways. Folk walking around flashing visible wealth, wondering why they got robbed. Then the feeding frenzy results in agro and retribution. This is the result of a society built on peddling misery so it can lease you happiness. Buy this, wear that, you need these to look successful. Selling satisfaction to the unsatisfied in soundbites. Long proved that crime is linked to social deprivations and injustice.
I mean you can literally see the year the Tories came to power. Why are we even discussing whats wrong with Britain? Every chart shows the same – Tories came to power, austerity ended funding for most things, now society is crumbling.
These aren’t weird problems we don’t understand. We know why young men get into trouble, its an age old problem. Without hope, connection to society, without a future or a present all young men will have is “respect”.
They aren’t thinking “I better let this go because it’ll ruin my future” they believe their futures are already ruined. They don’t see society as theirs as its basically never helped them.
They get groomed by gangs and drug dealers because they offer something. Money and esteem society offers none of to them.
If respect and your gang is all you have in life, why wouldn’t you hurt people who threaten those things?
The individuals of the UK havent decided en masse by the millions to just start ruining the country. Its the people in charge. Blame them for once. Not kids and their music.
Poverty, simple. The most dangerous cities in the world are all pretty much in countries with low economic situations for the vast majority of its population. When people have little to look forward to, low prospects and no real way out of it then the social structure of society starts to decline.
You get an increase in drug users, increase in crime and an increase in antisocial behaviour. Antisocial behaviour is usually carried out by younger people who gather together in groups because they have nowhere else to be. These kids are watching their elders struggle or breaking the law to survive.
They become small gangs, these gangs can be a group of three but have the mentality that they must protect what they do have and prove themselves. Now if all they have is a reputation then pulling a knife to protect it is worth more than a life.
The lack of funding in these lower income areas, lack of investment in businesses and the young and even less in the police equates to almost a lawless society. No police presence and even when they are called they do nothing if they come at all means 9/10 people are getting away with things. It starts with vandalism and petty crime but the longer you get away with something the bolder people get and then you end up with rife crime and knife attacks.
So yeah poverty, well that’s what I think anyway but what the fuck do I know haha.
Why are the stats like this England and wales? How can you include England stats with wales, portraying wales to have a stabbing problem
> Increased poverty and decreased prospects leads to increased crime
Who would have known
There’s nothing new about stabbings in uk. London has had major waves of stabbings over last 20 years.
(Yes, I am still salty that I couldn’t own a genuine katana because of the silly laws in response)
As a thought expirment pretend you are a Tory and you live in London in one of those mansions with 8 levels of basement. You are still pretty likley to be stabbed as anyone else living in London. Therefore, you don’t think massive cuts in funding of the police, youth services etc is in anyway a good idea as high levels violence in society is not your interest.
I don’t even understand the thought process – this is a lose lose.
Also the fear of being intelligent. People are satisfied with a C or 5~ but cba to push for more because either “nobody looks at grades” or you’re considered a nerd for at least trying so they turn to going out dressing up like roadmen to look cool
Isn’t it weird how deeply damaging societal decay tends to follow a long-term Tory government?
As sure as night follows day.
Yet people vote for them.
you guys are lucky that you arnt flooded with guns like the US. so easy to get a gun here.
I’d be curious to know what the statistics on single parent homes and perpetrators of knife crime are
It’s not the music. It’s not the drugs. They’ve been around for fucking donkey’s years.
It’ll be related to the rise in social media, the lack of shit to do outside of school, and an ever increasing materialist society that has no room for any kind of religion or spirituality or anything that teaches empathy, or forgiveness.
The responsible. Ministry has taken years to act on banning.
Stronger Laws need to be implied.
Perhaps sending them to The Worlds worst prisons.. With long time sente
Because we dont have guns that’s why this isn’t surprising we’re only shocked by this because we believe all that bullshit about civilised society this is the side of human nature no one wants to admit lurks in all of us
We have an atrophying economy, an individualist culture that has now breached into selfish, and pathetic policing and judicial systems, that provide spotty enforcement at best.
I came to see if the US will be used for blame or comparison. Wasn’t disappointed.
Because too many parents aren’t controlling their children
Fastest and largest decrease in living standards EVER.
Why the fuck wouldn’t people who have nothing turn to crime?
Other than everything else mentioned here (gang culture,drugs etc)it’s also lack of consequences and short sentence times. If sentences were harsher and if people found with knives on them were given more than just a slap on the wrist there would probably be less knife crime.
Because we do absolutely nothing about low level thug/sociopath behaviour at a young age, then wonder why they grow up to be actual thugs/sociopaths.
2011 the conservatives “big society” and austerity cut all funding to councils which in turn cut all finding for local initiatives and after school activities. Food banks suddenly became the only thing for many to survive
Theresa May cut thousands of police and police stations have closed to save money. You never see any police and the public perception is they won’t help so why even call them.
This has lead to basically break down of many societies structures.
There is a long list of 13 years Tory rule that has destroyed the country and those first few years of austerity I believe led to the brexit vote going the way it did which in itself has made the country even worse and a death by a thousands cuts over a longer time.
And yes all this had correlated with the increase in stabbings