So she made her employees feel uncomfortable by behaving in a unprofessional and bigoted manner regarding how she treats trans people, and that makes her a victim?
Transphobia really rots the brain
“Kay doesn’t believe a person can change their biological sex and says her right to be gender critical is protected in law.”
Yes, you have a right to be a bigot and everyone else has a right to want nothing to do with you because of it.
“I asked Rosie Kay if she is transphobic. She said: “Absolutely not. I believe in sex-based protections and women’s sex-based rights. ‘I’m not transphobic.'”
Lmao, asking someone if they’re a bigot! Yeah, they’re always gonna give you an honest answer to that question, I mean every racist admits they’re racist, right!
I asked Billy Bob if he is racist. He said, absolutely not. “I believe in race based protections and whites race based rights. I am not a racist, I’m a race realist.”
> The dancers claim Kay said that “identifying as non-binary is a cop out”, that “allowing trans people to take hormone blockers is creating eunuchs” and that “transwomen are a danger to actual women in toilets and only want access to female toilets to commit sexual assault”.
Fuck me that went from 0-60 quick. It’s like Christmas with my mother. I wonder how many drinks she was in by this point.
>The dancers claim Kay said that “identifying as non-binary is a cop out”, that “allowing trans people to take hormone blockers is creating eunuchs” and that “transwomen are a danger to actual women in toilets and only want access to female toilets to commit sexual assault”.
Proper deep end TERFism there
Oh well, doesn’t sound like a great loss that Kay stepped down. Good riddance.
Peculiar that the BBC article neglected to mention several key facts about the case.
Kay absolutely did not just express “Gender Critical” beliefs, as she claims, although the beliefs she did express, such as how every trans woman that uses women’s spaces is a predator, are particularly unhinged and not necessarily protected.
Firstly, the company strongly disagreed with Kay’s version of the events, but would not comment on the specifics.
>A spokesman for the board of trustees said: “Details of any employment matters at Rosie Kay Dance Company are confidential, and it is therefore inappropriate to comment beyond saying that we strongly resist this interpretation of events.”
Secondly, one of the dancers she was in charge of her filed a complaint of sexual harassment.
>When the company reconvened, the non-binary dancer in the female part had quit (an older dancer had to learn the part in two days) and had filed a further complaint about the party, saying Kay’s use of the words “penis” and “vagina” amounted to sexual harassment.
Indeed, the following from the BBC article seems to touch on this notion too.
>The dancers see it differently. They told the BBC that she was their boss, in a position of authority, which they felt made it an “unequal situation” from the start. “It was a work environment… she abused her position of power,” one company member said.
Whether the complaint has merit or not, it is entirely reasonable for a company to take a complaint seriously, and perform an investigation. Were it actually a meritless claim, one would expect that Kay would welcome such an investigation. Instead, she claims that such an investigation would find her guilty, but only because it would be inherently biased.
>“My lawyer advised me, ‘You are not going to win. They will find you guilty of transphobia, smear you — and that’s the end of your career.’ But I was just talking about women’s material reality and I am not going to go quietly. I am determined to put my head above the parapet.”
We cannot trust the facts of the original article, as Janice Turner is a particularly vile transphobe with a history of dishonesty, and it does not seem as if Kay is a level-headed impartial and reliable narrator. It could very well be that the complaint had merit to it, and Kay chose to misrepresent it to make it seem frivolous. It is, after all, peculiar to include the allegation since it counters the notion that she was being “cancelled for reasonable Gender Critical(tm) views”, unless the point was to try and make it seem like a vexatious with hunt.
The complaint is not great even if you take the facts at face value however, as someone’s boss demanding such information from their employee’s is hardly innocuous, yet if at the party Kay was also expressing such extreme views about the predatory nature of trans women, it is not unreasonable to think that she crossed several boundaries with her subordinates.
This is not to say she is guilty. She deserves an investigation in to the allegations, however the fact she does not want such an investigation is highly suspicious.
Ultimately, this is not just a “I’ve been cancelled for saying sex is real” case, yet again. Shame on the BBC for downplaying it.
Regardless of what topic she chose to focus on, being a boss and inviting your staff over before going on a drunken rant against your staff rarely ends well. The whole evening reeks of disaster. Unprofessional is the best case and outright nasty is the likely. Personal attacks and a drunken rant at them about them while they are in your own home as their boss is a hostile environment.
Choosing to resign because of an ongoing investigation rarely looks good, usually this is done by guilty parties trying to avoid consequences. Going public with it in this matter feels crass and more like a revenge attempt. Is some real Karen energy, “How dare you follow protocol and investigate complaints against me! Do you know who I am? I quit and I’m telling the media you pushed me out!”
That it was about trans rights should not be the distraction here, if she did it about sexuality or race or religion she’d still come across the same. Imagine being a boss inviting a group of Jewish people over and then drunkenly ranting about them controlling the media. Imagine inviting a group of gay people over and ranting about them wanting to molest children. Imagine being a man inviting female staff over and drunkenly telling them they should be in the kitchen.
Her responses to being asked if she’s Transphobic are also hilarious. “No I’m not Transphobic, I believe in rights for women.” That’s beyond the level of “I’m not racist I have black friends” and is straight up “I’m not racist, I believe in rights for my own race”.
Transphobes really need to come up with a new bogeyman, the “trans women in women’s toilets” arguement is almost comically overplayed now.
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So she made her employees feel uncomfortable by behaving in a unprofessional and bigoted manner regarding how she treats trans people, and that makes her a victim?
Transphobia really rots the brain
“Kay doesn’t believe a person can change their biological sex and says her right to be gender critical is protected in law.”
Yes, you have a right to be a bigot and everyone else has a right to want nothing to do with you because of it.
“I asked Rosie Kay if she is transphobic. She said: “Absolutely not. I believe in sex-based protections and women’s sex-based rights. ‘I’m not transphobic.'”
Lmao, asking someone if they’re a bigot! Yeah, they’re always gonna give you an honest answer to that question, I mean every racist admits they’re racist, right!
I asked Billy Bob if he is racist. He said, absolutely not. “I believe in race based protections and whites race based rights. I am not a racist, I’m a race realist.”
> The dancers claim Kay said that “identifying as non-binary is a cop out”, that “allowing trans people to take hormone blockers is creating eunuchs” and that “transwomen are a danger to actual women in toilets and only want access to female toilets to commit sexual assault”.
Fuck me that went from 0-60 quick. It’s like Christmas with my mother. I wonder how many drinks she was in by this point.
>The dancers claim Kay said that “identifying as non-binary is a cop out”, that “allowing trans people to take hormone blockers is creating eunuchs” and that “transwomen are a danger to actual women in toilets and only want access to female toilets to commit sexual assault”.
Proper deep end TERFism there
Oh well, doesn’t sound like a great loss that Kay stepped down. Good riddance.
Peculiar that the BBC article neglected to mention several key facts about the case.
Kay absolutely did not just express “Gender Critical” beliefs, as she claims, although the beliefs she did express, such as how every trans woman that uses women’s spaces is a predator, are particularly unhinged and not necessarily protected.
Firstly, the company strongly disagreed with Kay’s version of the events, but would not comment on the specifics.
>A spokesman for the board of trustees said: “Details of any employment matters at Rosie Kay Dance Company are confidential, and it is therefore inappropriate to comment beyond saying that we strongly resist this interpretation of events.”
Secondly, one of the dancers she was in charge of her filed a complaint of sexual harassment.
>When the company reconvened, the non-binary dancer in the female part had quit (an older dancer had to learn the part in two days) and had filed a further complaint about the party, saying Kay’s use of the words “penis” and “vagina” amounted to sexual harassment.
Indeed, the following from the BBC article seems to touch on this notion too.
>The dancers see it differently. They told the BBC that she was their boss, in a position of authority, which they felt made it an “unequal situation” from the start. “It was a work environment… she abused her position of power,” one company member said.
Whether the complaint has merit or not, it is entirely reasonable for a company to take a complaint seriously, and perform an investigation. Were it actually a meritless claim, one would expect that Kay would welcome such an investigation. Instead, she claims that such an investigation would find her guilty, but only because it would be inherently biased.
>“My lawyer advised me, ‘You are not going to win. They will find you guilty of transphobia, smear you — and that’s the end of your career.’ But I was just talking about women’s material reality and I am not going to go quietly. I am determined to put my head above the parapet.”
We cannot trust the facts of the original article, as Janice Turner is a particularly vile transphobe with a history of dishonesty, and it does not seem as if Kay is a level-headed impartial and reliable narrator. It could very well be that the complaint had merit to it, and Kay chose to misrepresent it to make it seem frivolous. It is, after all, peculiar to include the allegation since it counters the notion that she was being “cancelled for reasonable Gender Critical(tm) views”, unless the point was to try and make it seem like a vexatious with hunt.
The complaint is not great even if you take the facts at face value however, as someone’s boss demanding such information from their employee’s is hardly innocuous, yet if at the party Kay was also expressing such extreme views about the predatory nature of trans women, it is not unreasonable to think that she crossed several boundaries with her subordinates.
This is not to say she is guilty. She deserves an investigation in to the allegations, however the fact she does not want such an investigation is highly suspicious.
Ultimately, this is not just a “I’ve been cancelled for saying sex is real” case, yet again. Shame on the BBC for downplaying it.
Original article: https://archive.md/MRHNv
Regardless of what topic she chose to focus on, being a boss and inviting your staff over before going on a drunken rant against your staff rarely ends well. The whole evening reeks of disaster. Unprofessional is the best case and outright nasty is the likely. Personal attacks and a drunken rant at them about them while they are in your own home as their boss is a hostile environment.
Choosing to resign because of an ongoing investigation rarely looks good, usually this is done by guilty parties trying to avoid consequences. Going public with it in this matter feels crass and more like a revenge attempt. Is some real Karen energy, “How dare you follow protocol and investigate complaints against me! Do you know who I am? I quit and I’m telling the media you pushed me out!”
That it was about trans rights should not be the distraction here, if she did it about sexuality or race or religion she’d still come across the same. Imagine being a boss inviting a group of Jewish people over and then drunkenly ranting about them controlling the media. Imagine inviting a group of gay people over and ranting about them wanting to molest children. Imagine being a man inviting female staff over and drunkenly telling them they should be in the kitchen.
Her responses to being asked if she’s Transphobic are also hilarious. “No I’m not Transphobic, I believe in rights for women.” That’s beyond the level of “I’m not racist I have black friends” and is straight up “I’m not racist, I believe in rights for my own race”.
Transphobes really need to come up with a new bogeyman, the “trans women in women’s toilets” arguement is almost comically overplayed now.
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