>The French adventurer Sylvain Tesson may have put it best when he wrote: “France is a paradise inhabited by people who think they’re in hell.”
I love that quote!
>Alexander Hurst is a France-based writer and adjunct lecturer at Sciences Po, the Paris Institute for Political Studies
The author of the article is super-elite and his class bias is showing
absolutely….. the seniors make the country inhabitable for the youth. If they even scare 5% away, their pension system is totally doomed.
It was always there.
It is hard to say that France has become a hell or going in that direction. I just scanned the text, so correct me if I’m wrong.
France has suffered from unemployement, like the percentage of it has risen to above %7. That is total disaster if calculate it. (Popularion of France 67 Million -> close to 5 million)
Also looks like France is suffering from Islam, ultra-neoliberalism and authoritarianism when it all combined with Macron’s current policies, it is leading to a disaster.
The protests in France are to wild. Don’t get me wrong people, I do love how people are aware of their rights, but things look like getting out of hand.
Overall, could we say France is really gone to hell. I wouldn’t say that. But if this scenario continues to play, I hope so not, then…
EDIT: There are people corrected me in the reply section. Its better to check them because there are obvious mistakes I have written in the text(Like taking whole population in to the consideration.)
My unpopular opinion is that many people in France are snowflakes. Like many Brits, they think everything should be handed to them, reminiscence of old imperial arrogance routed in their identity. Not saying it’s not healthy to protest and have your issues heard, but for France it’s much higher than any EU country even though they objectively live better that most countries.
Or maybe there are just very small vocal groups that control the gathering and progressing of riots, but even so, their results are quite visible in the EU media – I remember quite well the yellow vest protests.
French born and raised here. France has been trying to emulate the US for decades, now. This is the results and it will get worse if corporate whores like Macron keep getting elected.
There’s a lesson to be learned here but most Europeans don’t want to hear it.
We live in an era of unimaginable productivity, where huge portions of work have been automated by machines.
There is no *good* reason for us to be working as much as we do and even less for us to be asked to work more years before we retire.
The only excuse the powers that be have is that there isn’t enough money to let us all enjoy the benefits of this hyper productivity. That if we retire too early or don’t work enough hours then the system will collapse. But never once do the power that be consider that maybe the means of our production should have been equitably distributed in the first place and should be equitably distributed now.
If we shared the fruits of our labor equally with society then we could all work fewer hours per day and fewer days in our lives. It is not unreasonable to demand that everyone be allowed to benefit from the marvels of our technological revolutions. It is not unreasonable to demand that those who have disproportionally benefited be required to give up some of their wealth so as to give everyone a good life.
>France’s Gini coefficient, the measure of inequality in a society, is lower today than it was during les trente glorieuses (1945 to 1975)
It’s silly to say that about the cradle of several revolutions.
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The single best thing about the french is the fact that they raise hell for their rights. Governments are there to serve their people, if the elected can’t come up with ways to provide the very best solutions, there should be consequences. Whatever your political stance may be, if you’re working against the interests of the working class, you’re wrong. You’re IN the working class, not like idiot Americans who think they’re temporarily embarrassed future billionaires.
> mounds of rubbish, sometimes on fire, serving as backdrop for violent clashes between some of the more extreme protest groups and body armour-clad riot police.
Oi Guardian! Just because British workers have been castrated into submission by the UK’s protest laws doesn’t necessarily mean that the French do it wrong.
It will be like Japan : retired people will be allowed to work again, and some of them will !
Some of them definitely want to work part time, If the team is fun to work with.
Tl;Dr: yes, France really has gone to hell. I’ve read the article and confirm
It is preparatory work for oligarchy and dictatorship
It’s what the french call Mardi
That’s unfortunately a universal problem. If you listen to some people discussing politics online, basically every Western state is a failed state because it doesn’t correspond to either the far-right or the far-left vision (depending on who’s talking). Of course, the reality is extremely far from this kind of pessimist fantasies.
Lazy baguettes
“facts are opinions I like” – Alexander Hurst
French here. Our future is super bleak, no matter who gets in power. It feels like we’re about to open the door to hell
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>The French adventurer Sylvain Tesson may have put it best when he wrote: “France is a paradise inhabited by people who think they’re in hell.”
I love that quote!
>Alexander Hurst is a France-based writer and adjunct lecturer at Sciences Po, the Paris Institute for Political Studies
The author of the article is super-elite and his class bias is showing
absolutely….. the seniors make the country inhabitable for the youth. If they even scare 5% away, their pension system is totally doomed.
It was always there.
It is hard to say that France has become a hell or going in that direction. I just scanned the text, so correct me if I’m wrong.
France has suffered from unemployement, like the percentage of it has risen to above %7. That is total disaster if calculate it. (Popularion of France 67 Million -> close to 5 million)
Also looks like France is suffering from Islam, ultra-neoliberalism and authoritarianism when it all combined with Macron’s current policies, it is leading to a disaster.
The protests in France are to wild. Don’t get me wrong people, I do love how people are aware of their rights, but things look like getting out of hand.
Overall, could we say France is really gone to hell. I wouldn’t say that. But if this scenario continues to play, I hope so not, then…
EDIT: There are people corrected me in the reply section. Its better to check them because there are obvious mistakes I have written in the text(Like taking whole population in to the consideration.)
My unpopular opinion is that many people in France are snowflakes. Like many Brits, they think everything should be handed to them, reminiscence of old imperial arrogance routed in their identity. Not saying it’s not healthy to protest and have your issues heard, but for France it’s much higher than any EU country even though they objectively live better that most countries.
Or maybe there are just very small vocal groups that control the gathering and progressing of riots, but even so, their results are quite visible in the EU media – I remember quite well the yellow vest protests.
French born and raised here. France has been trying to emulate the US for decades, now. This is the results and it will get worse if corporate whores like Macron keep getting elected.
There’s a lesson to be learned here but most Europeans don’t want to hear it.
We live in an era of unimaginable productivity, where huge portions of work have been automated by machines.
There is no *good* reason for us to be working as much as we do and even less for us to be asked to work more years before we retire.
The only excuse the powers that be have is that there isn’t enough money to let us all enjoy the benefits of this hyper productivity. That if we retire too early or don’t work enough hours then the system will collapse. But never once do the power that be consider that maybe the means of our production should have been equitably distributed in the first place and should be equitably distributed now.
If we shared the fruits of our labor equally with society then we could all work fewer hours per day and fewer days in our lives. It is not unreasonable to demand that everyone be allowed to benefit from the marvels of our technological revolutions. It is not unreasonable to demand that those who have disproportionally benefited be required to give up some of their wealth so as to give everyone a good life.
>France’s Gini coefficient, the measure of inequality in a society, is lower today than it was during les trente glorieuses (1945 to 1975)
*A* measure, an not a great one.
[Inequality in France](https://www.lemonde.fr/blog/piketty/2017/04/18/inequality-in-france/)
russian trolls working overtime on social media..
Just let russia win?
It’s silly to say that about the cradle of several revolutions.
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The single best thing about the french is the fact that they raise hell for their rights. Governments are there to serve their people, if the elected can’t come up with ways to provide the very best solutions, there should be consequences. Whatever your political stance may be, if you’re working against the interests of the working class, you’re wrong. You’re IN the working class, not like idiot Americans who think they’re temporarily embarrassed future billionaires.
> mounds of rubbish, sometimes on fire, serving as backdrop for violent clashes between some of the more extreme protest groups and body armour-clad riot police.
Oi Guardian! Just because British workers have been castrated into submission by the UK’s protest laws doesn’t necessarily mean that the French do it wrong.
It will be like Japan : retired people will be allowed to work again, and some of them will !
Some of them definitely want to work part time, If the team is fun to work with.
Tl;Dr: yes, France really has gone to hell. I’ve read the article and confirm
It is preparatory work for oligarchy and dictatorship
It’s what the french call Mardi
That’s unfortunately a universal problem. If you listen to some people discussing politics online, basically every Western state is a failed state because it doesn’t correspond to either the far-right or the far-left vision (depending on who’s talking). Of course, the reality is extremely far from this kind of pessimist fantasies.
Lazy baguettes
“facts are opinions I like” – Alexander Hurst
French here. Our future is super bleak, no matter who gets in power. It feels like we’re about to open the door to hell