This is such a non-story. Jeremy has already said he didn’t regard Starmer as a friend before this.
If anything, it just shows Starmer as dishonest.
Country accuses Jeremy Corbyn of primary school understanding of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The first time I ever enthusiastically voted for a party with values and policies I actually supported, and this country hated the leader so much it gladly swallowed every lie that was told about him. I really should emigrate.
I don’t like Peter Mandleson, but he is right. Traditionally the tories would get newspapers to push those types of attack ads.
I’m not saying I agree with the ads (or not), frankly I don’t care UK politics has been in the gutter for many years and it’s the way the game is played now.
I don’t know if it’s better than “let’s take the high ground so at least when we lose we can feel superior”.
Ah that’s exactly what we need, some in-fighting to really help the Tories lock in the next election. Why can’t they shut the fuck up and slander the Tories, they’ve made it easy enough over the past 12 years.
Not wrong, at all.
Tory attack ads don’t work against the people who invented them.
Try instead asking them how many of the absolute laundry list of massive problems our country is facing come from 13 years of delinquent management. Try instead asking why even though I pay more tax than I did 13 years ago, I get less public services. Party of business seems to be rather bad at business with that approach to customer satisfaction. If your broadband provider hiked the price and halved the speed, what would you do? Move to the main competitor that raised the price and only took 10% off the speed?
A little over a decade ago, I was given a *lifetime* award of DLA for my developmental disability. This is something that isn’t curable or anything, and I’ve had since before I was born. Needless to say, I won’t ‘get better’. However, the DWP beg to differ, insisting that my lifetime came to an end and I’m no longer disabled. Iain Duncan Smith is the strangest looking messiah I’ve ever seen, that’s for sure.
How about the story of the NHS going from the best customer ratings in its history, to the worst?
But no, let’s just invent petty shit instead.
After all, if you draw attention to the problems it makes it look like you intend to fix them, and well… expectations versus reality. I suppose Labour want to exceed expectations, so it’s best to make sure you’re not expecting anything good. That way, we won’t be disappointed when nothing actually changes.
EDIT:
When it comes to workers’ rights, the Tories destroy them, and Labour support… the Tories.
When it comes to trans rights, the Tories destroy them, and Labour support… the Tories.
When it comes to the NHS, the Tories started destroying it, then Labour threw all the bottomless private money at it, and *then* the Tories privatised it (probably to pay all those investors. Thanks, Blair).
When it comes to foreign policy, who *hasn’t* bombed an oil rich country or two to keep the citizens poor?
Can we please, *please* stop voting for the dynamic duo to tag-team at plundering our home?
The best thing Corbyn could do for the country is shut up and go away
If you don’t like voting for Tories why not vote for the other Tories!
Unfortunatley we have a key weekly political moment where they all shout and moan at each other like children so primary school stuff tends to fit the scene.
I’m not sure if Corbyn should be saying it but he’s not wrong..
Which is ironic given Starmer makes getting elected look like child’s play compared to Corbyn
This isn’t the focus of the article, but…
“New Labour architect Peter Mandelson backed Labour’s controversial attack ad about child sex abuse, arguing that the party can’t count on right-wing newspapers to “do it on their behalf”.”
… Great, because what everyone really wants is more Daily Mail style coverage of events. How about instead of sinking to their level, enforce some actual journalistic standards on these pathetic excuses for newspapers?
This is the guy who wanted to send Russia a sample of their Novichok nerve agent used to murder people on British soil so they could tell us whether it was them that did it or not?
>Jeremy Corbyn accuses Keir Starmer of ‘primary school stuff’
I thought that was the labour party in general these days.
Wow they really looked for anything in that interview to spin, even Ian dale tried to misrepresent Corbyns comment about Sunak and tried to make it like he was criticising Starmer.
Wish they focused on the conservative member who tried to act as if the conservative economic plan and outcomes are somehow good.
Would bet half the commenters in this thread didn’t watch the interview, I challenge you to go watch it and see if what he was saying was really that egregious.
Now there’s no need for that from Corbyn!
Primary school children are much better behaved.
Clickbait title. Corbyn is asked “would you say you and Starmer are friends?” and his answer is that he has always considered Starmer as a colleague. It’s a bit of a limp question really and it’s a frankly boring straightforward answer.
The “primary school stuff” in the interview comes across more as a condemnation of the question rather than of Starmer.
They’ve taken a sentence from a reasonable answer and made clickbait out of it. Proper slimy article from the independant implying some sort of Labour drama. Rancid.
“Corbyn showing his true colours yet again. Was he really ever supportive of Labour or was he just trying to ride them to the top position.”
– This is what the Independent want me to think when I read their clickbait headline. Constantly looking to stir the pot.
TBH criticising Starmer in the run up to an election and in reaction to what Starmer has said seems pretty primary school to me.
Unfair as it is, it’s obvious why Starmer has distanced himself from Corbyn. While Corbyn stuck to his moral (but not tactical) high ground, the dirt flung at him by the media, the Tories and others stuck. That dirt is still stuck to Corbyn and can still potentially stick to anyone who’s too strongly associated with Corbyn.
I worry that Starmer flinging dirt at the Tories might backfire, but at least he’s not just passively letting the everyone else fling dirt at him. Maybe it’s just not possible to occupy the absolute moral and tactical high ground at the same time. While Corbyn has every right to be unhappy about this and about Starmers distancing, maybe he should keep that private for the moment.
So far as I can see Starmer isn’t doing these things for self-aggrandisement, bullying fun or whatever. He’s doing them because he knows that winning that perfect moral high ground is a pyrrhic victory if you lose the war to achieve it. Sometimes you have to compromise, and make do with a relatively moral high ground where maybe you fling some mud sometimes, but at least you haven’t protected billionaire fraudsters while making the poor pay for it, nor allowed the other guys to carry on doing that by being unwilling to do what it takes to win.
“primary school stuff” is that a euphemism? Is he calling him a paedo, Elon Musk style?
What a sensationalist BS article. If anyone listened to the show, they would know that this was a tiny footnote after a long debate on various issues with a Tory minister, yet they choose to focus on this nonsense.
Go and listen to the show, and hear what Corbyn has to say, because his teardown of the tories record is brilliant, yet we aren’t seeing headlines about that, are we!
Interestingly, I believe primary school is the highest educational level Corbyn ever achieved
Corbyn was the only Labour Leader I cared for. Starmer comes off as the type of guy to use a devastating tragedy to advance his political career
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This is such a non-story. Jeremy has already said he didn’t regard Starmer as a friend before this.
If anything, it just shows Starmer as dishonest.
Country accuses Jeremy Corbyn of primary school understanding of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The first time I ever enthusiastically voted for a party with values and policies I actually supported, and this country hated the leader so much it gladly swallowed every lie that was told about him. I really should emigrate.
I don’t like Peter Mandleson, but he is right. Traditionally the tories would get newspapers to push those types of attack ads.
I’m not saying I agree with the ads (or not), frankly I don’t care UK politics has been in the gutter for many years and it’s the way the game is played now.
I don’t know if it’s better than “let’s take the high ground so at least when we lose we can feel superior”.
Link to the interview, jezza comes across like the decent man he is –
https://youtu.be/orWq9G-2CXQ
Ah that’s exactly what we need, some in-fighting to really help the Tories lock in the next election. Why can’t they shut the fuck up and slander the Tories, they’ve made it easy enough over the past 12 years.
Not wrong, at all.
Tory attack ads don’t work against the people who invented them.
Try instead asking them how many of the absolute laundry list of massive problems our country is facing come from 13 years of delinquent management. Try instead asking why even though I pay more tax than I did 13 years ago, I get less public services. Party of business seems to be rather bad at business with that approach to customer satisfaction. If your broadband provider hiked the price and halved the speed, what would you do? Move to the main competitor that raised the price and only took 10% off the speed?
A little over a decade ago, I was given a *lifetime* award of DLA for my developmental disability. This is something that isn’t curable or anything, and I’ve had since before I was born. Needless to say, I won’t ‘get better’. However, the DWP beg to differ, insisting that my lifetime came to an end and I’m no longer disabled. Iain Duncan Smith is the strangest looking messiah I’ve ever seen, that’s for sure.
How about the story of the NHS going from the best customer ratings in its history, to the worst?
But no, let’s just invent petty shit instead.
After all, if you draw attention to the problems it makes it look like you intend to fix them, and well… expectations versus reality. I suppose Labour want to exceed expectations, so it’s best to make sure you’re not expecting anything good. That way, we won’t be disappointed when nothing actually changes.
EDIT:
When it comes to workers’ rights, the Tories destroy them, and Labour support… the Tories.
When it comes to trans rights, the Tories destroy them, and Labour support… the Tories.
When it comes to the NHS, the Tories started destroying it, then Labour threw all the bottomless private money at it, and *then* the Tories privatised it (probably to pay all those investors. Thanks, Blair).
When it comes to foreign policy, who *hasn’t* bombed an oil rich country or two to keep the citizens poor?
Can we please, *please* stop voting for the dynamic duo to tag-team at plundering our home?
The best thing Corbyn could do for the country is shut up and go away
If you don’t like voting for Tories why not vote for the other Tories!
Unfortunatley we have a key weekly political moment where they all shout and moan at each other like children so primary school stuff tends to fit the scene.
I’m not sure if Corbyn should be saying it but he’s not wrong..
Which is ironic given Starmer makes getting elected look like child’s play compared to Corbyn
This isn’t the focus of the article, but…
“New Labour architect Peter Mandelson backed Labour’s controversial attack ad about child sex abuse, arguing that the party can’t count on right-wing newspapers to “do it on their behalf”.”
… Great, because what everyone really wants is more Daily Mail style coverage of events. How about instead of sinking to their level, enforce some actual journalistic standards on these pathetic excuses for newspapers?
This is the guy who wanted to send Russia a sample of their Novichok nerve agent used to murder people on British soil so they could tell us whether it was them that did it or not?
>Jeremy Corbyn accuses Keir Starmer of ‘primary school stuff’
I thought that was the labour party in general these days.
Wow they really looked for anything in that interview to spin, even Ian dale tried to misrepresent Corbyns comment about Sunak and tried to make it like he was criticising Starmer.
Wish they focused on the conservative member who tried to act as if the conservative economic plan and outcomes are somehow good.
Would bet half the commenters in this thread didn’t watch the interview, I challenge you to go watch it and see if what he was saying was really that egregious.
Now there’s no need for that from Corbyn!
Primary school children are much better behaved.
Clickbait title. Corbyn is asked “would you say you and Starmer are friends?” and his answer is that he has always considered Starmer as a colleague. It’s a bit of a limp question really and it’s a frankly boring straightforward answer.
The “primary school stuff” in the interview comes across more as a condemnation of the question rather than of Starmer.
They’ve taken a sentence from a reasonable answer and made clickbait out of it. Proper slimy article from the independant implying some sort of Labour drama. Rancid.
“Corbyn showing his true colours yet again. Was he really ever supportive of Labour or was he just trying to ride them to the top position.”
– This is what the Independent want me to think when I read their clickbait headline. Constantly looking to stir the pot.
TBH criticising Starmer in the run up to an election and in reaction to what Starmer has said seems pretty primary school to me.
Unfair as it is, it’s obvious why Starmer has distanced himself from Corbyn. While Corbyn stuck to his moral (but not tactical) high ground, the dirt flung at him by the media, the Tories and others stuck. That dirt is still stuck to Corbyn and can still potentially stick to anyone who’s too strongly associated with Corbyn.
I worry that Starmer flinging dirt at the Tories might backfire, but at least he’s not just passively letting the everyone else fling dirt at him. Maybe it’s just not possible to occupy the absolute moral and tactical high ground at the same time. While Corbyn has every right to be unhappy about this and about Starmers distancing, maybe he should keep that private for the moment.
So far as I can see Starmer isn’t doing these things for self-aggrandisement, bullying fun or whatever. He’s doing them because he knows that winning that perfect moral high ground is a pyrrhic victory if you lose the war to achieve it. Sometimes you have to compromise, and make do with a relatively moral high ground where maybe you fling some mud sometimes, but at least you haven’t protected billionaire fraudsters while making the poor pay for it, nor allowed the other guys to carry on doing that by being unwilling to do what it takes to win.
“primary school stuff” is that a euphemism? Is he calling him a paedo, Elon Musk style?
What a sensationalist BS article. If anyone listened to the show, they would know that this was a tiny footnote after a long debate on various issues with a Tory minister, yet they choose to focus on this nonsense.
Go and listen to the show, and hear what Corbyn has to say, because his teardown of the tories record is brilliant, yet we aren’t seeing headlines about that, are we!
Interestingly, I believe primary school is the highest educational level Corbyn ever achieved
Corbyn was the only Labour Leader I cared for. Starmer comes off as the type of guy to use a devastating tragedy to advance his political career