Wow, sounds like they have a pretty important job. Should probably get a fair wage then
Can we just pay them already?
I’ve seen media and people say they are asking for too much, but they could be asking for backdated pay as well as pay restoration.
I don’t understand this country anymore.
How about how many have been continually delayed for years due to understaffing? Maybe out of fairness you shouldn’t give the impression that it was all fine before the strikes?
Nearly 200,000 hospital ops and appointments postponed in England due to the government refusing to pay the junior doctors a fair wage.
No change from the normal level of NHS service then.
I have family friends daughter was taken to hospital last week after having a violent seizure. They couldn’t have her in any of the “local” hospitals because they’re understaffed, underfunded, don’t have the equipment and lack of beds so she’s been sent to another county (All thanks to our Hard Right Tory MP).
It will take months until they can start to diagnose her with anything, it could be epilepsy, brain cancer orsomething else. I think they all they’re doing is testing whether this seizure has caused damage. Having to wait months might kill her, a 10 year old, or another seizure might give her brain damage.
Though less serious, I’ve given up on being able to get medical attention. I tried last summer because of bowl problems and a few months before that because of mental health problems. Doctors didn’t have time to see me.
Meanwhile, our ever increasing retired population easily gets appointments to keep them alive. My 88 year old Grandad has appointments multiple times a week. He then either gets better and doesn’t go, or goes and decides he knows better than a medical professional thus increasing his problems.
I’ve been quite upset over this the last couple of days. Though I don’t blame NHS staff, they do their best and work tirelessly to give good healthcare. I blame the government for austerity in The NHS and our aging population who keeps voting for them.
Sorry, turned into a rant.
The failed British State fails to pay for 200k of its public healthcare appointment obligations.
Due to the ongoing capital strike by the government, you mean?
Sounds like hospitals are very reliant on the work that junior doctors do. Maybe they should be sufficiently compensated for the work that is demanded of them.
I dont really like that the headline appears to be an attack on junior doctors like it’s their fault.
DUE TO **SUSS**TAINED AND CHRONIC UNDERFUNDING BY THE GOVERNMENT
Title should read: Tory governments decade of wealth extraction on the economy and chronic underfunding of services caused 200,000 hospital operations to be missed as junior doctors are forced to strike for a wage they can survive on.
For goodness sake government. Do your damn job and sort out these poor workers conditions and pay.
Government who offered a 6% pay cut to NHS workers jeopardising 200,000 ops and appointments*
The NHS will always be here, however it is going to get worse and worse as cuts bite and staff leave. People do not realise how good they have had it and to what extent the NHS has been held together by staff, staff that are now burnt out and leaving in droves.
The NHS is fucked because of the Tories not because of the over worked/under paid staff
Hopefully people start to see labour and Tory for what they are. Finally we might get another party involved who aren’t trying to line their own pockets.
Hopefully people start to see labour and Tory for what they are. Finally we might get another party involved who aren’t trying to line their own pockets.
I’m not sure why we call them junior doctors when they clearly handle so much work for the NHS. probably as a justification for paying them less.
Whilst thousands willl die from this, you can take solace their deaths won’t be in vain, doctors will now be able to get that holiday home they always dreamed off, and have 3 holidays a year rather than two
The government is sickening to allow this to happen.
Junior Doctors seem fairly important then. Probably should pay them better.
Headline should read: Government fuck over the general population (again)
Just shows how much work they actually do, and how much we need them.
Well, I guess that’s one way to control the population
Breaking news, appointment delays caused by Tory bastards.
IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
Perhaps the government should be doing a better job at running/funding the NHS then.
Fact is, they don’t really care because they know there’s a large portion of population that’ll vote for them whatever they do. They could bring in a policy of killing all first born children and there would still be tens of millions of parents voting them in. It’s been this way since about 2008. It’s just we have an endless river of terrible MP’s making the next batch of even more terrible ones credible. The western world is near its end in my opinion. Helped by some incredibly stupid people.
The NHS was one of the very few things making this country worth living in. Without it why would anyone bother? It’s a miserable grey place full of a bunch of smoothed brained classist people with no vision, all about saving themselves and their family and failing to see the bigger picture and how that actually help would “save them”
Maybe if they were paid better, they wouldn’t be on strike would they do these operations and appointments wouldn’t have been cancelled?
Interesting, isn’t it? It’s almost as if there’s a solution to these situations…
That’s what happens when unions and strikes are allowed.
Published: 03/08/2022
The recent cross-party parliamentary report on the NHS and social care workforce did not pull any punches in describing the staffing problems in the health service. Using Nuffield Trust estimates, the Committee notes that the NHS has struggled with 12,000 hospital doctor vacancies and more than 50,000 nurse and midwife vacancies. These figures are based on bespoke data provided by NHS England & NHS Improvement and NHS Professionals from May 2021. The estimates suggest that, if anything, the existing published data may have been underestimating the scale of vacancies.
Far, far more because of tory austerity, corruption and incompetence! Own this shit each and every Tory voter, this is your fault!!
Fundamentally the government isn’t doing its job. To govern the UK population for the better, clearly the Tory cunts missed that in there job description
They really should pay them what the deserve then since they play such a pivotal role in peoples lives.
I broke my foot on the 6th and all I could get was a trainee nurse to diagnose it and I have to wait untill the 19th for the fracture clinic to even look at me
Maybe pay them what they’re worth, including nurses.
What irks me the most about this is that no negotiations have been proceeded with.
I’m willing to accept that as an MP on the back of brexit and COVID being hit with waves of strikes strains an already grim budget.
I’m unwilling to accept that that excuses the strategy they’ve had towards the strikes at the moment – to ignore them.
These negotiations will be tough, as negotiations of this nature are. The state does not want to reallocate funds, or to tax the economy further, given its current economic position (a bad one!). High earners (£200k+) makeup a critical part of the Tory electorate, but also cannot really be utilised by the government – even if they were willing – to raise a huge amount of funding through tax due to their rarity. That’s not to say there isn’t an economic argument for investing in the NHS, there very much is, but that’s to say that it hurts the already hurting state finances.
On the other end of the table – The medical community does not want to work in the conditions the government make them. These are hardy professionals that work some of the most intensive professions we as a society have. There has been massive reluctance to commit to strikes for years, as they know full well that innocent lives get put in the crossfire. So for them to do this means that they’re especially desperate, or the system innately puts people in the crossfire, or more likely *both*.
A compromise is not just needed, but is in the nation’s best interests.
Sidenote: subtly Demonising our healthcare professionals is not in the nation’s interest – British broadcasting conservatives
I’m living outside the UK and the NHS is a really unique and fantastic institution that should be protected and funded properly.
As long as the government and certain parts of the press see the NHS as a cost to the tax payer, rather than a benefit to society I don’t see this getting better.
As long as the NHS is moved towards a privatised model and the patients are seen as an opportunity to generate profit for private companies I can only see it getting worse.
I think it’s bollocks ! Shitty Government ! Give our nhs staff what they’re worth ! Which is a lot more than what has been offered ! Tory C**ts !
Well that statement is ‘ bollocks ‘ I was due a second hip replacement 18 month’s ago.
Turned for my appointment which then turned into a per-op assessment.
Surgeon said we’ll have you in in 6 weeks.
Sweet let’s get it done I said.
2 weeks later I get a letter from my GP…..Dear Mr Blah Blah. Your surgery has been cancelled because you’ve been identified as a smoker !,
Wtf ! I quit during lockdown and I told my GP !?
I kicked off like and guess what ? I’m still fookin waiting ! That’s due to a clerical error which still hasn’t been rectified and not down to staffing levels.
So there’s a multitude of different ways appointments and surgery can be delayed or cancelled.
The majority of which is due to patients not turning up or cancelling they’re appointments etc.
Is it any wonder they leave and go abroad or join the private sector ?
Apparently the Junior Doctors are so junior that long hours and low pay is all they are worth.
Contradicting this is that their strikes are bringing hospitals to a near complete standstill.
Perhaps some, fat headed, well-dressed, Senior Tory, can explain this evident contradiction for me?
‘If they don’t like it they should get a better job’ some Tory, probably.
But how??? Why do paracetamol pushers have such an impact??
If the Redditors who have written these comments vote today, they would turf out a rotten government or two.
I’m epileptic, currently I’m very bad, like deadly bad, the first appointment with my neurologist in over a year lasted 5 minutes. I’m have 2-3 seizures a day, youre not supposed to have any. I’ve suffered lifelong damage because I wasn’t able to get my appointment when I needed it and it wasn’t a good enough appointment.
I’m scared for my fucking life, I’ve lost the ability to was the dishes and I’m 19 ffs.
Everyone needs to get a grip, the government should have dealt with the economic ruin we’re in before it got to people like me having life long damage.
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Wow, sounds like they have a pretty important job. Should probably get a fair wage then
Can we just pay them already?
I’ve seen media and people say they are asking for too much, but they could be asking for backdated pay as well as pay restoration.
I don’t understand this country anymore.
How about how many have been continually delayed for years due to understaffing? Maybe out of fairness you shouldn’t give the impression that it was all fine before the strikes?
Nearly 200,000 hospital ops and appointments postponed in England due to the government refusing to pay the junior doctors a fair wage.
No change from the normal level of NHS service then.
I have family friends daughter was taken to hospital last week after having a violent seizure. They couldn’t have her in any of the “local” hospitals because they’re understaffed, underfunded, don’t have the equipment and lack of beds so she’s been sent to another county (All thanks to our Hard Right Tory MP).
It will take months until they can start to diagnose her with anything, it could be epilepsy, brain cancer orsomething else. I think they all they’re doing is testing whether this seizure has caused damage. Having to wait months might kill her, a 10 year old, or another seizure might give her brain damage.
Though less serious, I’ve given up on being able to get medical attention. I tried last summer because of bowl problems and a few months before that because of mental health problems. Doctors didn’t have time to see me.
Meanwhile, our ever increasing retired population easily gets appointments to keep them alive. My 88 year old Grandad has appointments multiple times a week. He then either gets better and doesn’t go, or goes and decides he knows better than a medical professional thus increasing his problems.
I’ve been quite upset over this the last couple of days. Though I don’t blame NHS staff, they do their best and work tirelessly to give good healthcare. I blame the government for austerity in The NHS and our aging population who keeps voting for them.
Sorry, turned into a rant.
The failed British State fails to pay for 200k of its public healthcare appointment obligations.
Due to the ongoing capital strike by the government, you mean?
Sounds like hospitals are very reliant on the work that junior doctors do. Maybe they should be sufficiently compensated for the work that is demanded of them.
I dont really like that the headline appears to be an attack on junior doctors like it’s their fault.
DUE TO **SUSS**TAINED AND CHRONIC UNDERFUNDING BY THE GOVERNMENT
Title should read: Tory governments decade of wealth extraction on the economy and chronic underfunding of services caused 200,000 hospital operations to be missed as junior doctors are forced to strike for a wage they can survive on.
For goodness sake government. Do your damn job and sort out these poor workers conditions and pay.
Government who offered a 6% pay cut to NHS workers jeopardising 200,000 ops and appointments*
The NHS will always be here, however it is going to get worse and worse as cuts bite and staff leave. People do not realise how good they have had it and to what extent the NHS has been held together by staff, staff that are now burnt out and leaving in droves.
The NHS is fucked because of the Tories not because of the over worked/under paid staff
Hopefully people start to see labour and Tory for what they are. Finally we might get another party involved who aren’t trying to line their own pockets.
Hopefully people start to see labour and Tory for what they are. Finally we might get another party involved who aren’t trying to line their own pockets.
I’m not sure why we call them junior doctors when they clearly handle so much work for the NHS. probably as a justification for paying them less.
Whilst thousands willl die from this, you can take solace their deaths won’t be in vain, doctors will now be able to get that holiday home they always dreamed off, and have 3 holidays a year rather than two
The government is sickening to allow this to happen.
Junior Doctors seem fairly important then. Probably should pay them better.
Headline should read: Government fuck over the general population (again)
Just shows how much work they actually do, and how much we need them.
Well, I guess that’s one way to control the population
Breaking news, appointment delays caused by Tory bastards.
IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
Perhaps the government should be doing a better job at running/funding the NHS then.
Fact is, they don’t really care because they know there’s a large portion of population that’ll vote for them whatever they do. They could bring in a policy of killing all first born children and there would still be tens of millions of parents voting them in. It’s been this way since about 2008. It’s just we have an endless river of terrible MP’s making the next batch of even more terrible ones credible. The western world is near its end in my opinion. Helped by some incredibly stupid people.
The NHS was one of the very few things making this country worth living in. Without it why would anyone bother? It’s a miserable grey place full of a bunch of smoothed brained classist people with no vision, all about saving themselves and their family and failing to see the bigger picture and how that actually help would “save them”
Maybe if they were paid better, they wouldn’t be on strike would they do these operations and appointments wouldn’t have been cancelled?
Interesting, isn’t it? It’s almost as if there’s a solution to these situations…
That’s what happens when unions and strikes are allowed.
Published: 03/08/2022
The recent cross-party parliamentary report on the NHS and social care workforce did not pull any punches in describing the staffing problems in the health service. Using Nuffield Trust estimates, the Committee notes that the NHS has struggled with 12,000 hospital doctor vacancies and more than 50,000 nurse and midwife vacancies. These figures are based on bespoke data provided by NHS England & NHS Improvement and NHS Professionals from May 2021. The estimates suggest that, if anything, the existing published data may have been underestimating the scale of vacancies.
Far, far more because of tory austerity, corruption and incompetence! Own this shit each and every Tory voter, this is your fault!!
Fundamentally the government isn’t doing its job. To govern the UK population for the better, clearly the Tory cunts missed that in there job description
They really should pay them what the deserve then since they play such a pivotal role in peoples lives.
I broke my foot on the 6th and all I could get was a trainee nurse to diagnose it and I have to wait untill the 19th for the fracture clinic to even look at me
Maybe pay them what they’re worth, including nurses.
What irks me the most about this is that no negotiations have been proceeded with.
I’m willing to accept that as an MP on the back of brexit and COVID being hit with waves of strikes strains an already grim budget.
I’m unwilling to accept that that excuses the strategy they’ve had towards the strikes at the moment – to ignore them.
These negotiations will be tough, as negotiations of this nature are. The state does not want to reallocate funds, or to tax the economy further, given its current economic position (a bad one!). High earners (£200k+) makeup a critical part of the Tory electorate, but also cannot really be utilised by the government – even if they were willing – to raise a huge amount of funding through tax due to their rarity. That’s not to say there isn’t an economic argument for investing in the NHS, there very much is, but that’s to say that it hurts the already hurting state finances.
On the other end of the table – The medical community does not want to work in the conditions the government make them. These are hardy professionals that work some of the most intensive professions we as a society have. There has been massive reluctance to commit to strikes for years, as they know full well that innocent lives get put in the crossfire. So for them to do this means that they’re especially desperate, or the system innately puts people in the crossfire, or more likely *both*.
A compromise is not just needed, but is in the nation’s best interests.
Sidenote: subtly Demonising our healthcare professionals is not in the nation’s interest – British broadcasting conservatives
I’m living outside the UK and the NHS is a really unique and fantastic institution that should be protected and funded properly.
As long as the government and certain parts of the press see the NHS as a cost to the tax payer, rather than a benefit to society I don’t see this getting better.
As long as the NHS is moved towards a privatised model and the patients are seen as an opportunity to generate profit for private companies I can only see it getting worse.
I think it’s bollocks ! Shitty Government ! Give our nhs staff what they’re worth ! Which is a lot more than what has been offered ! Tory C**ts !
Well that statement is ‘ bollocks ‘ I was due a second hip replacement 18 month’s ago.
Turned for my appointment which then turned into a per-op assessment.
Surgeon said we’ll have you in in 6 weeks.
Sweet let’s get it done I said.
2 weeks later I get a letter from my GP…..Dear Mr Blah Blah. Your surgery has been cancelled because you’ve been identified as a smoker !,
Wtf ! I quit during lockdown and I told my GP !?
I kicked off like and guess what ? I’m still fookin waiting ! That’s due to a clerical error which still hasn’t been rectified and not down to staffing levels.
So there’s a multitude of different ways appointments and surgery can be delayed or cancelled.
The majority of which is due to patients not turning up or cancelling they’re appointments etc.
Is it any wonder they leave and go abroad or join the private sector ?
Apparently the Junior Doctors are so junior that long hours and low pay is all they are worth.
Contradicting this is that their strikes are bringing hospitals to a near complete standstill.
Perhaps some, fat headed, well-dressed, Senior Tory, can explain this evident contradiction for me?
‘If they don’t like it they should get a better job’ some Tory, probably.
But how??? Why do paracetamol pushers have such an impact??
If the Redditors who have written these comments vote today, they would turf out a rotten government or two.
I’m epileptic, currently I’m very bad, like deadly bad, the first appointment with my neurologist in over a year lasted 5 minutes. I’m have 2-3 seizures a day, youre not supposed to have any. I’ve suffered lifelong damage because I wasn’t able to get my appointment when I needed it and it wasn’t a good enough appointment.
I’m scared for my fucking life, I’ve lost the ability to was the dishes and I’m 19 ffs.
Everyone needs to get a grip, the government should have dealt with the economic ruin we’re in before it got to people like me having life long damage.