That’d match with their support in the polls alright.
As a SF voter.
I don’t know if SF can solve the housing crisis. Chances are the damage at this stage would take a long time to reverse.
I know, as a fact, FF and FG won’t solve it, as they have allowed it to continue as a policy at this point. It’s not that I believe they can’t, it’s that I believe they wouldn’t even if they could.
So may as well roll the dice on the party that might, rather than the party that absolutely won’t.
The housing crisis is solvable, but I think it will take decades (10-30 years.)
I don’t think the question should be “can X solve the housing crisis?”
I think the question should be “should X, the party(ies) at the helm as a minor supply problem developed into a social disaster, continue to be in Government?”
I wouldn’t trust anyone to solve it. The cold ugly truth is that there are too many of us who have a conflict of interest in the fact that we own property, myself included.
You’d almost need a party of homeless politicians to get into government to get this moving in the right direction.
Now, don’t get me wrong, of course there are plenty of those who own property who acknowledge it as a problem, but the portion of those who’d be willing to make it happen is even smaller.
The other two were morons who didn’t understand the question
I’m not convinced SF can solve it. I am convinced FFG cannot solve it. So I’ll be voting SF
Like, solve it “overnight” or just solve it?
A lot of people in Ireland are ok with the current housing strategy and if any political party does something to reduce the value of housing the amount of negative press and voter reaction they would get would scare any politician. A lot of the decisions to be made around housing are going to be deeply unpopular to help solve the problem instead of kicking it down the road. Do I think any political party will face up to the problems? Of course and especially not SF. The problems are decades long in the making and different levels and parts of the state had a hand in the making of them.
Because there is a culture of corruption in Ireland whereby corrupt officials are praised for the cunning and business acumen. In most other countries someone like Bertie would have been chased out of the public eye after his shenanigans but instead here we’re looking to elect him president.
Opinions on the housing crisis now match party support. I suspect people are becoming as entrenched in their support of a political ideology as they are in the US or UK. Left Vs Right politics will dominate Irish politics for the foreseeable future. It won’t matter what the policy is. The underlying determine factor will be what the leader of your side says. Blind support of your side and blind hatred of the other.
And on this topic I don’t think any side can solve the housing crisis. FFG are devoid of any clue how to fix it. SF-PBP only know what should not be done. We are in a crisis that needs radical innovative thinking and we have no one in politics capable of that.
I’m not aware of any democratic nation that has ever solved their housing crisis without some external factor that cannot be relied upon.
Authoritarian nations can disregard local home owners, kick them out, tear down their homes, and rebuild at a high density. Even the oft-touted public housing example of Singapore, as far as I am aware, took this approach.
Post-war European cities had large tracts of demolished land to construct apartments on.
Germany had a strategic incentive to spread its industry/population over several cities, in the event of Soviet invasion, and so are kindve a unique case.
It’s pretty optimistic to think it’s a solvable problem imo. Plenty of examples of the problem being made worse though by economically unsound decisions. But better? I’m not aware of any.
The housing crisis was allowed to develop. Incompetence? Definitely a possibility with FFG. They missed the boat to get on top of it because ideologically they think the market solves all.
As someone who would vote for the DUP before FFG I hope they lose power at the next GE: the reality is that is unlikely. At the moment the SDs might look to be on the way up. Expect the unbiased unpolitical non agenda setting msm to take an interest.
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So you’re saying that 2 in 3 people don’t believe in divine miracles ?
That’s 1 in 3 more than they trust the current government.
I believe SF will at least try to address it. They may or may not be successful but I know FG and FF haven’t. So I’d rather take the chance on an alternative approach than stick with what has been proven not to work.
“businesspost.ie”
Are they proposing large scale social housing building? I will be voting for a party proposing this.
No party can or will solve it until we have major planning reform.
Now, if it was demolishing houses it woks be a different story.
Setting aside the obvious point that this is basically just their level of support in the polls spun to make it seem bad for them, a significant chunk of SF voters don’t particularly like SF anyway, they are just fed up with the most likely alternatives and want to try something that has a chance of being slightly different.
Is that still better than the other parties?
The only thing that will solve it is a slow down in population growth.
Took deacdes to create the housing crisis.
Will take decades to fix it.
I think anyone could solve the housing crisis, but nobody will be willing to do it. Thats the problem with politicians. It’s not that the can’t, its that they won’t.
My standards are so low I’m happy with anyone who would even attempt to solve it. I know for sure FFGG will never seriously try.
Honestly I’ll probably vote for Sinn Féin in the next election but their policies on housing aren’t the best. Eoin O’Broin is one of the most knowledgeable on the issue in the Dáil but every time housing comes up in the Dáil Mary Lou brings up the same points of introducing a rent freeze and giving renters a month’s rent back as a tax credit. I don’t see how freezing rents helps that much when they’re already way too high in most places and giving people a month’s rent as a tax credit just seems like subsidising landlords even more
You know what SF won’t do? The won’t cause the bloody crisis in the first place!
Edit: typo
While 3 in 3 knows FF/FG is just going to keep telling us there is no housing crisis.
I’d believe they could fix it if the housing crisis had a union jack on it.
I will vote SF no.1 in the next election.
I prefer other opposition parties.
They **mostly likely** won’t solve the housing crisis.
FFG **won’t** solve the housing crisis.
I’m voting for them as I want people who haven’t had the last decade and a half to fix the crisis to have a go.
They are simply the biggest opposition party that is broadly on the left, which is good enough for me when priority number one is getting the current government out.
I don’t trust them to fix it, but I do trust them to try. Unlike the other crowd who sat over a worsening crisis for 10+ years saying you can’t fix it overnight.
I don’t think the housing crisis can be properly solved now without completely ruining the public’s finances. We made the mistake of promoting housing as an investment and not a right for decades, and now we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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How many trust ff/FG?
That’d match with their support in the polls alright.
As a SF voter.
I don’t know if SF can solve the housing crisis. Chances are the damage at this stage would take a long time to reverse.
I know, as a fact, FF and FG won’t solve it, as they have allowed it to continue as a policy at this point. It’s not that I believe they can’t, it’s that I believe they wouldn’t even if they could.
So may as well roll the dice on the party that might, rather than the party that absolutely won’t.
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The housing crisis is solvable, but I think it will take decades (10-30 years.)
I don’t think the question should be “can X solve the housing crisis?”
I think the question should be “should X, the party(ies) at the helm as a minor supply problem developed into a social disaster, continue to be in Government?”
I wouldn’t trust anyone to solve it. The cold ugly truth is that there are too many of us who have a conflict of interest in the fact that we own property, myself included.
You’d almost need a party of homeless politicians to get into government to get this moving in the right direction.
Now, don’t get me wrong, of course there are plenty of those who own property who acknowledge it as a problem, but the portion of those who’d be willing to make it happen is even smaller.
The other two were morons who didn’t understand the question
I’m not convinced SF can solve it. I am convinced FFG cannot solve it. So I’ll be voting SF
Like, solve it “overnight” or just solve it?
A lot of people in Ireland are ok with the current housing strategy and if any political party does something to reduce the value of housing the amount of negative press and voter reaction they would get would scare any politician. A lot of the decisions to be made around housing are going to be deeply unpopular to help solve the problem instead of kicking it down the road. Do I think any political party will face up to the problems? Of course and especially not SF. The problems are decades long in the making and different levels and parts of the state had a hand in the making of them.
Because there is a culture of corruption in Ireland whereby corrupt officials are praised for the cunning and business acumen. In most other countries someone like Bertie would have been chased out of the public eye after his shenanigans but instead here we’re looking to elect him president.
Opinions on the housing crisis now match party support. I suspect people are becoming as entrenched in their support of a political ideology as they are in the US or UK. Left Vs Right politics will dominate Irish politics for the foreseeable future. It won’t matter what the policy is. The underlying determine factor will be what the leader of your side says. Blind support of your side and blind hatred of the other.
And on this topic I don’t think any side can solve the housing crisis. FFG are devoid of any clue how to fix it. SF-PBP only know what should not be done. We are in a crisis that needs radical innovative thinking and we have no one in politics capable of that.
I’m not aware of any democratic nation that has ever solved their housing crisis without some external factor that cannot be relied upon.
Authoritarian nations can disregard local home owners, kick them out, tear down their homes, and rebuild at a high density. Even the oft-touted public housing example of Singapore, as far as I am aware, took this approach.
Post-war European cities had large tracts of demolished land to construct apartments on.
Germany had a strategic incentive to spread its industry/population over several cities, in the event of Soviet invasion, and so are kindve a unique case.
It’s pretty optimistic to think it’s a solvable problem imo. Plenty of examples of the problem being made worse though by economically unsound decisions. But better? I’m not aware of any.
The housing crisis was allowed to develop. Incompetence? Definitely a possibility with FFG. They missed the boat to get on top of it because ideologically they think the market solves all.
As someone who would vote for the DUP before FFG I hope they lose power at the next GE: the reality is that is unlikely. At the moment the SDs might look to be on the way up. Expect the unbiased unpolitical non agenda setting msm to take an interest.
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So you’re saying that 2 in 3 people don’t believe in divine miracles ?
That’s 1 in 3 more than they trust the current government.
I believe SF will at least try to address it. They may or may not be successful but I know FG and FF haven’t. So I’d rather take the chance on an alternative approach than stick with what has been proven not to work.
“businesspost.ie”
Are they proposing large scale social housing building? I will be voting for a party proposing this.
No party can or will solve it until we have major planning reform.
Now, if it was demolishing houses it woks be a different story.
Setting aside the obvious point that this is basically just their level of support in the polls spun to make it seem bad for them, a significant chunk of SF voters don’t particularly like SF anyway, they are just fed up with the most likely alternatives and want to try something that has a chance of being slightly different.
Is that still better than the other parties?
The only thing that will solve it is a slow down in population growth.
Took deacdes to create the housing crisis.
Will take decades to fix it.
I think anyone could solve the housing crisis, but nobody will be willing to do it. Thats the problem with politicians. It’s not that the can’t, its that they won’t.
My standards are so low I’m happy with anyone who would even attempt to solve it. I know for sure FFGG will never seriously try.
Honestly I’ll probably vote for Sinn Féin in the next election but their policies on housing aren’t the best. Eoin O’Broin is one of the most knowledgeable on the issue in the Dáil but every time housing comes up in the Dáil Mary Lou brings up the same points of introducing a rent freeze and giving renters a month’s rent back as a tax credit. I don’t see how freezing rents helps that much when they’re already way too high in most places and giving people a month’s rent as a tax credit just seems like subsidising landlords even more
You know what SF won’t do? The won’t cause the bloody crisis in the first place!
Edit: typo
While 3 in 3 knows FF/FG is just going to keep telling us there is no housing crisis.
I’d believe they could fix it if the housing crisis had a union jack on it.
I will vote SF no.1 in the next election.
I prefer other opposition parties.
They **mostly likely** won’t solve the housing crisis.
FFG **won’t** solve the housing crisis.
I’m voting for them as I want people who haven’t had the last decade and a half to fix the crisis to have a go.
They are simply the biggest opposition party that is broadly on the left, which is good enough for me when priority number one is getting the current government out.
I don’t trust them to fix it, but I do trust them to try. Unlike the other crowd who sat over a worsening crisis for 10+ years saying you can’t fix it overnight.
I don’t think the housing crisis can be properly solved now without completely ruining the public’s finances. We made the mistake of promoting housing as an investment and not a right for decades, and now we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place.