It didn’t work as expected, so let’s see where we went wrong so we can **really** gerrymander the next vote.
I’m glad they’ve chosen a dog because it will do a better job.
I mentioned it in a few threads yesterday but as someone who went to vote and used the **Voter Authority Certificate** for ID – i.e the very document the Government were promoting somewhat heavily as a free solution – I was somewhat shocked that it took almost five minutes of reading through the handbook for the officer to not only figure out what it was, but also to confirm that it was a viable form of ID.
Shouldn’t they have examined the idea before it was introduced?
Sadly an ID of some sort will have to be introduced at some point as it will help reduce illegal employment and benefit fraud amongst a host of other things. I know for many it is rightly a point of principle but perhaps the time has come to consider it. It’s not a conservative thing, Labour were considering it as well
I’m guessing it blocked mostly Conservative voters then
I bet the people complaining are the sort of people that think a library card is an acceptable ID to get into a nightclub.
Most people have a driving license or a passport and it was free to get a voter certificate, if you are not intelligent enough to do that then you may as well give up. It’s not hard, it really isn’t!
It’s stupid. We don’t need something harder for people to vote, especially young people. Next GE of young people vote the stories will fall remarkably.
Haha, time to move the goal post. Because it backfired on the Tories. Looks like a lot of elderly die hard Tory voters in rural areas, didn’t have a valid ID in their own country, which they took back control of.
It was interesting yesterday seeing reports of older voters failing to vote rather than the younger and more precarious demographics that were assumed. The Tory demographic problem is a massive looming iceberg, and this might be a good indicator to them of just how big it could end up being.
Regardless, voter ID is a solution for an as-yet hypothetical problem, and one for which the *only* short term impact to elections is to prevent legitimate voters from voting.
Isn’t it mental that people had to have I.D to prove who they were, but the tory party candidates wouldn’t even identify themselves as such on the ballot paper.
Clearly it doesn’t work as the Tories lost, massively.
The people have spoken, this corrupt government now needs to fu k off and die.
The main argument is for security, to prevent electoral fraud. Well, most fraud is campaign rule breaking. In 2022 the police only took to court 1 person, and cautioned 1 other for electoral fraud. That’s ridiculously low, statistically irrelevant numbers that made no difference in any election.
It’s not about security. It was never about security. It was always to prevent certain demographics from voting and should be scrapped.
It should be expanded so that you can use driving licence, bills with your name on, anything that usually is good enough to confirm your identity. That way we can have proper checks on voting and know it is secure and also it is easy for anyone to confirm who they are.
So far my observations has been all it achieved is to waste time. It took about 3 times as long to get through as they as for ID’s, check ID’s, use the ID’s to get the address, realise the address doesn’t match, etc.
My totally uneducated hunch tells me the requirement will have been of slightly more detriment to elderly conservatives than younger/poorer lefties. Which is why it will now be scrapped.
Regardless I’m happy for it to be scrapped. Voting should be as accessible as possible.
Council elections have pretty low turnouts, as do younger voters.
So I assume the minority of young voters who normally vote in council elections were more up to date with politics and thus aware of the necessity for ID? Whilst a greater number of older voters just assumed it would be the same as it was in all the previous elections and hadn’t really noticed the change, or simply forgot ID.
They are scrapping the independent Electorate Commission as well.
Tories upset that their vote rigging idea backfired?
Voter suppression. Make it easy for those who’s vote you can rely on, whilst making it harder for those you can’t.
So the Tories are losing and will now try to blame their completely unnecessary and failed voter blocking idea on said losses? How can they be so united in their ignorance?
‘They have it in Europe’
Yes, they also have national ID cards which means everyone has acceptable ID by default.
Yet another thing implemented in a completely arse about face way.
Please look at what the GOP has done in America. Your politicians are copying all their tricks and what’s coming is very very ugly. These people will abandon democracy before they abandon their own avaricious ideology.
Worked as a Presiding Officer yesterday. Done it 4 times previously. Councils are desperate for Presiding Officers (and Poll Clerks). Let me tell you, after yesterday’s experience. I shall not ever be doing it again.
The side of this stupid new requirement that the public don’t see is that it makes the already fairly stressful and exhausting job of being a PO i’d estimate about 3-4x more difficult and complex. The sheer quantity of new, additional paperwork that you’re now required to fill out at the close of poll at 10pm, all relating to this new legislation, is fucking stupid. This is all in addition to the shit the Polling staff were taking for refusals due to ID. I have no doubt that the added complexity will drastically increase the amount of clerical errors and therefore cast many results into greater doubt than before.
Get paid a pretty shit amount for doing it (especially as a clerk). It is no longer anywhere near worth the stress and bullshit you have to deal with. I suspect that i’m not alone in this conclusion, so I find it pretty hilarious that it backfired completely.
But I read comments yesterday on another thread saying that the ID checks would punish labour voters. Polls say different :thinking:
Seems like an easy fix. Just issue everyone with a national id, or don’t require id.
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It didn’t work as expected, so let’s see where we went wrong so we can **really** gerrymander the next vote.
I’m glad they’ve chosen a dog because it will do a better job.
I mentioned it in a few threads yesterday but as someone who went to vote and used the **Voter Authority Certificate** for ID – i.e the very document the Government were promoting somewhat heavily as a free solution – I was somewhat shocked that it took almost five minutes of reading through the handbook for the officer to not only figure out what it was, but also to confirm that it was a viable form of ID.
Shouldn’t they have examined the idea before it was introduced?
Sadly an ID of some sort will have to be introduced at some point as it will help reduce illegal employment and benefit fraud amongst a host of other things. I know for many it is rightly a point of principle but perhaps the time has come to consider it. It’s not a conservative thing, Labour were considering it as well
I’m guessing it blocked mostly Conservative voters then
I bet the people complaining are the sort of people that think a library card is an acceptable ID to get into a nightclub.
Most people have a driving license or a passport and it was free to get a voter certificate, if you are not intelligent enough to do that then you may as well give up. It’s not hard, it really isn’t!
It’s stupid. We don’t need something harder for people to vote, especially young people. Next GE of young people vote the stories will fall remarkably.
Haha, time to move the goal post. Because it backfired on the Tories. Looks like a lot of elderly die hard Tory voters in rural areas, didn’t have a valid ID in their own country, which they took back control of.
It was interesting yesterday seeing reports of older voters failing to vote rather than the younger and more precarious demographics that were assumed. The Tory demographic problem is a massive looming iceberg, and this might be a good indicator to them of just how big it could end up being.
Regardless, voter ID is a solution for an as-yet hypothetical problem, and one for which the *only* short term impact to elections is to prevent legitimate voters from voting.
Isn’t it mental that people had to have I.D to prove who they were, but the tory party candidates wouldn’t even identify themselves as such on the ballot paper.
Clearly it doesn’t work as the Tories lost, massively.
The people have spoken, this corrupt government now needs to fu k off and die.
The main argument is for security, to prevent electoral fraud. Well, most fraud is campaign rule breaking. In 2022 the police only took to court 1 person, and cautioned 1 other for electoral fraud. That’s ridiculously low, statistically irrelevant numbers that made no difference in any election.
It’s not about security. It was never about security. It was always to prevent certain demographics from voting and should be scrapped.
It should be expanded so that you can use driving licence, bills with your name on, anything that usually is good enough to confirm your identity. That way we can have proper checks on voting and know it is secure and also it is easy for anyone to confirm who they are.
So far my observations has been all it achieved is to waste time. It took about 3 times as long to get through as they as for ID’s, check ID’s, use the ID’s to get the address, realise the address doesn’t match, etc.
My totally uneducated hunch tells me the requirement will have been of slightly more detriment to elderly conservatives than younger/poorer lefties. Which is why it will now be scrapped.
Regardless I’m happy for it to be scrapped. Voting should be as accessible as possible.
Council elections have pretty low turnouts, as do younger voters.
So I assume the minority of young voters who normally vote in council elections were more up to date with politics and thus aware of the necessity for ID? Whilst a greater number of older voters just assumed it would be the same as it was in all the previous elections and hadn’t really noticed the change, or simply forgot ID.
They are scrapping the independent Electorate Commission as well.
Tories upset that their vote rigging idea backfired?
Voter suppression. Make it easy for those who’s vote you can rely on, whilst making it harder for those you can’t.
So the Tories are losing and will now try to blame their completely unnecessary and failed voter blocking idea on said losses? How can they be so united in their ignorance?
‘They have it in Europe’
Yes, they also have national ID cards which means everyone has acceptable ID by default.
Yet another thing implemented in a completely arse about face way.
Please look at what the GOP has done in America. Your politicians are copying all their tricks and what’s coming is very very ugly. These people will abandon democracy before they abandon their own avaricious ideology.
Worked as a Presiding Officer yesterday. Done it 4 times previously. Councils are desperate for Presiding Officers (and Poll Clerks). Let me tell you, after yesterday’s experience. I shall not ever be doing it again.
The side of this stupid new requirement that the public don’t see is that it makes the already fairly stressful and exhausting job of being a PO i’d estimate about 3-4x more difficult and complex. The sheer quantity of new, additional paperwork that you’re now required to fill out at the close of poll at 10pm, all relating to this new legislation, is fucking stupid. This is all in addition to the shit the Polling staff were taking for refusals due to ID. I have no doubt that the added complexity will drastically increase the amount of clerical errors and therefore cast many results into greater doubt than before.
Get paid a pretty shit amount for doing it (especially as a clerk). It is no longer anywhere near worth the stress and bullshit you have to deal with. I suspect that i’m not alone in this conclusion, so I find it pretty hilarious that it backfired completely.
But I read comments yesterday on another thread saying that the ID checks would punish labour voters. Polls say different :thinking:
Seems like an easy fix. Just issue everyone with a national id, or don’t require id.