You could argue that wages have had to increase in relation to the massive shortage of workers. Though this has happened elsewhere as well due to the pandemic, it seems to be more pronounced here.
Apart from that it’s a shit show, we might have slightly more money but, we’re dealing with rising inflation, empty shelves, mountains of paperwork and falling exports.
A few people get a pay rise, but whole industries are decimated. Prices are rising, bills are rising negating the pay rises, and screwing even further the recently unemployed.
Seems like a good trade off…
I’m no economist but back in the 60s the UK closed the door on “freedom of movement” for those with UK and Colonies passports (basically “fuck you very much for rebuilding the country after WW2 but post-war babies are starting to enter the workplace”). That probably put in place part of ground work for the inflation the UK suffered in the 1970s, it hit 25% in mid-70s.
Maybe… But what sort of time scale are we talking about here? 5 years? A decade? 50 years? I mean it’s hardly off to an auspicious start this whole new workers paradise thing.
Depends on your perspective.
From mine, the closure of FOM means that skilled technology people means a far smaller pool of skilled experts to work with (the best BE dev I ever worked with was from Moldova, for example). For me individually, it’s a net loss.
However if you’re a factory worker or a tradesperson, the closure of FOM means that the UK cannot keep their income suppressed by importing lots of people from the EU who will happily work for less. For them individually, it’s a net gain.
Nah, just wait until they leave the ECHR and they will bring back the Workhouse
I do find some doublethink going on in people about this.
The worker shortages are not caused by Brexit, I am told. However the increase to wages intended to improve the worker shortage is a Brexit benefit, I am also told.
Aside from that, the UK was always able to increase pay as the EU does not regulate that, or we could improve working terms and condition above the minimums that the EU does regulate. The only likely effect of Brexit on those is for them to be lowered to make the UK more competitive than the EU. This is obvious so its fair to assume that the Leavers want it that way.
I mean it was but it came with a cost. Winner’s and losers.
Frankly, I’m considering emigrating to Australia at this point. There’s no point me staying here with Brexit if it’s going to continue the way it’s going. It’s just a bit dismal. I can find better work elsewhere.
For enough people for the Tories to claim that it has been better for some, which will also be enough to prevent the opposition from saying it has been a complete failure. Ultimately, there will still be a huge rift between the best off and the worst off, with the latter still being treated as failures for factors often outside of their control. The Tory narrative of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps will remain and those working lower-paid jobs will be painted as lazy.
If anyone hasn’t quite got it through their thick skulls that everything this government says is a lie yet, then I’m not sure what else can be done for you tbh.
I’m normally very pro worker but… Anyone stupid enough to believe bojo the clown is the problem and the sooner they get what they deserve the sooner we can get back to a being a working country.
It’s strange because the Tories should want to be attached to the most economically liberal, laissez-faire trade block in the world with large swathes of the EU elecotrate voting for populist to outright proud fascist parties.
Yet it is the liberal centre and left centre that campaign relentlessly to rejoin an ultra capitalist bloc…we have elections every 5 years people!
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You could argue that wages have had to increase in relation to the massive shortage of workers. Though this has happened elsewhere as well due to the pandemic, it seems to be more pronounced here.
Apart from that it’s a shit show, we might have slightly more money but, we’re dealing with rising inflation, empty shelves, mountains of paperwork and falling exports.
A few people get a pay rise, but whole industries are decimated. Prices are rising, bills are rising negating the pay rises, and screwing even further the recently unemployed.
Seems like a good trade off…
I’m no economist but back in the 60s the UK closed the door on “freedom of movement” for those with UK and Colonies passports (basically “fuck you very much for rebuilding the country after WW2 but post-war babies are starting to enter the workplace”). That probably put in place part of ground work for the inflation the UK suffered in the 1970s, it hit 25% in mid-70s.
Maybe… But what sort of time scale are we talking about here? 5 years? A decade? 50 years? I mean it’s hardly off to an auspicious start this whole new workers paradise thing.
Depends on your perspective.
From mine, the closure of FOM means that skilled technology people means a far smaller pool of skilled experts to work with (the best BE dev I ever worked with was from Moldova, for example). For me individually, it’s a net loss.
However if you’re a factory worker or a tradesperson, the closure of FOM means that the UK cannot keep their income suppressed by importing lots of people from the EU who will happily work for less. For them individually, it’s a net gain.
Nah, just wait until they leave the ECHR and they will bring back the Workhouse
I do find some doublethink going on in people about this.
The worker shortages are not caused by Brexit, I am told. However the increase to wages intended to improve the worker shortage is a Brexit benefit, I am also told.
Aside from that, the UK was always able to increase pay as the EU does not regulate that, or we could improve working terms and condition above the minimums that the EU does regulate. The only likely effect of Brexit on those is for them to be lowered to make the UK more competitive than the EU. This is obvious so its fair to assume that the Leavers want it that way.
I mean it was but it came with a cost. Winner’s and losers.
Frankly, I’m considering emigrating to Australia at this point. There’s no point me staying here with Brexit if it’s going to continue the way it’s going. It’s just a bit dismal. I can find better work elsewhere.
For enough people for the Tories to claim that it has been better for some, which will also be enough to prevent the opposition from saying it has been a complete failure. Ultimately, there will still be a huge rift between the best off and the worst off, with the latter still being treated as failures for factors often outside of their control. The Tory narrative of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps will remain and those working lower-paid jobs will be painted as lazy.
If anyone hasn’t quite got it through their thick skulls that everything this government says is a lie yet, then I’m not sure what else can be done for you tbh.
I’m normally very pro worker but… Anyone stupid enough to believe bojo the clown is the problem and the sooner they get what they deserve the sooner we can get back to a being a working country.
It’s strange because the Tories should want to be attached to the most economically liberal, laissez-faire trade block in the world with large swathes of the EU elecotrate voting for populist to outright proud fascist parties.
Yet it is the liberal centre and left centre that campaign relentlessly to rejoin an ultra capitalist bloc…we have elections every 5 years people!