2 articles today about people getting away with assaulting police officers.
Without repercussions these people will continue with this kind of behaviour. Why would they stop, there’s absolutely zero punishment or deterrents.
Police officers share offensive messages among themselves – 3 months in prison
19 year old smashes eye socket of police officer in unprovoked and sustained assault from behind – no prison
It doesn’t give an explanation for the verrry lenient suspended sentence, but – as per my r’s – does seem pretty ridiculous.
That’s British justice for you. The police arrest them and then the courts set them free to reoffend. Rinse and repeat 🔂
Police held to a higher standard except when they’re the victims
So in addition to most of the public hating you for your job, people can assault you without consequence? You couldn’t pay me enough to be a copper
I give it 5 years before law and order in the UK breaks down
If you protest peaceful you get 5 years
If you attack someone you don’t even go to prison
Thank god I’m planning to leave this country
So, I was very confused by this because the Sentencing Council provides that this offence is actually anything from community order – 7 years custodial.
“Looking at the scoring on this, I think it’s reasonable to say that it’s Category A culpability – because “Victim obviously vulnerable due to age, personal characteristics or circumstances” (he was impaired by restraining someone else) and “Prolonged/persistent assault” – the offender reportedly punched him twice more after he was knocked unconcious.
If we’re going to be charitable, maybe some of that wasn’t provable, and this was a Category B culpability.
So Culpability A or B.
Harm category is harder to do, and always is for GBH, because the wording is _dogshit_, but I think it’s fair to say this resulted in a “Grave injury” – making it Category 2.
Assuming the _best_ possible outcome, for the defendant, this is cat B1, starting point is 2 years custodial, and range is 1-3 years.
The assault being on an emergency worker is an aggravating factor, age/lack of maturity is a mitigating factor, so it seems this guy should’ve got the 2 years, but suspension was allowed if the sentencer didn’t consider that they were a danger to the community, and were likely to rehabilitate – I’m not sure I agree that this shouldn’t have been a custodial sentence.
Then I saw this:
> Magistrate’s Court
And it all made sense.
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System’s a bit of a joke when even beating the piss out of a cop doesn’t get jail time, no?
Won’t this embolden criminals?
What a disgrace, some judges need to be recalled or sacked or whatever the terminology is, this is absolutely outrageous sentencing. The UK justice system is a complete joke
Catch and release. Working so well on the NYC subway.
If we’re not doing jail there’s needs to be something else that prevents these people reoffending.
Assault and physical violence isn’t taken anywhere near seriously in this country imo. You punch someone and they fall they could die. Jail should be the minimum expectation with community service and some sort of anger management expected as add ons.
There’s got to be some reason why us brits are fast to fists
Tale of 2 ridiculous extremes.
In the US, that kid would have so many bullet holes in his face he wouldn’t even be identifiable.
Here, nothing happens to that kid, despite committing a violent assault, as a adult.
What is wrong with these places?
An appalling state of affairs.
A horrifying precedent that will only embolden the cowardly thugs of the future with the types of personalities that will gladly do the crime never regretting harming the victim but will resort to almost anything to avoid the inconvenience of doing the time in jail or a secure unit.
Every resident uk citizen who unlawfully attacks a police officer where the attack results in multiple bruises or something even worse should be guaranteed an incarceration sentence. Plus made liable for both the total costs of prosecuting them and crippling compensation payable to the victim or their next of kin. Along with thousands of hours of community service to occupy almost all their leisure time for the next 15-25 years.
why does it seem like the justice system is continually letting is down?
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2 articles today about people getting away with assaulting police officers.
Without repercussions these people will continue with this kind of behaviour. Why would they stop, there’s absolutely zero punishment or deterrents.
Police officers share offensive messages among themselves – 3 months in prison
19 year old smashes eye socket of police officer in unprovoked and sustained assault from behind – no prison
It doesn’t give an explanation for the verrry lenient suspended sentence, but – as per my r’s – does seem pretty ridiculous.
That’s British justice for you. The police arrest them and then the courts set them free to reoffend. Rinse and repeat 🔂
Police held to a higher standard except when they’re the victims
So in addition to most of the public hating you for your job, people can assault you without consequence? You couldn’t pay me enough to be a copper
I give it 5 years before law and order in the UK breaks down
If you protest peaceful you get 5 years
If you attack someone you don’t even go to prison
Thank god I’m planning to leave this country
So, I was very confused by this because the Sentencing Council provides that this offence is actually anything from community order – 7 years custodial.
“Looking at the scoring on this, I think it’s reasonable to say that it’s Category A culpability – because “Victim obviously vulnerable due to age, personal characteristics or circumstances” (he was impaired by restraining someone else) and “Prolonged/persistent assault” – the offender reportedly punched him twice more after he was knocked unconcious.
If we’re going to be charitable, maybe some of that wasn’t provable, and this was a Category B culpability.
So Culpability A or B.
Harm category is harder to do, and always is for GBH, because the wording is _dogshit_, but I think it’s fair to say this resulted in a “Grave injury” – making it Category 2.
Assuming the _best_ possible outcome, for the defendant, this is cat B1, starting point is 2 years custodial, and range is 1-3 years.
The assault being on an emergency worker is an aggravating factor, age/lack of maturity is a mitigating factor, so it seems this guy should’ve got the 2 years, but suspension was allowed if the sentencer didn’t consider that they were a danger to the community, and were likely to rehabilitate – I’m not sure I agree that this shouldn’t have been a custodial sentence.
Then I saw this:
> Magistrate’s Court
And it all made sense.
[deleted]
System’s a bit of a joke when even beating the piss out of a cop doesn’t get jail time, no?
Won’t this embolden criminals?
What a disgrace, some judges need to be recalled or sacked or whatever the terminology is, this is absolutely outrageous sentencing. The UK justice system is a complete joke
Catch and release. Working so well on the NYC subway.
If we’re not doing jail there’s needs to be something else that prevents these people reoffending.
Assault and physical violence isn’t taken anywhere near seriously in this country imo. You punch someone and they fall they could die. Jail should be the minimum expectation with community service and some sort of anger management expected as add ons.
There’s got to be some reason why us brits are fast to fists
Tale of 2 ridiculous extremes.
In the US, that kid would have so many bullet holes in his face he wouldn’t even be identifiable.
Here, nothing happens to that kid, despite committing a violent assault, as a adult.
What is wrong with these places?
An appalling state of affairs.
A horrifying precedent that will only embolden the cowardly thugs of the future with the types of personalities that will gladly do the crime never regretting harming the victim but will resort to almost anything to avoid the inconvenience of doing the time in jail or a secure unit.
Every resident uk citizen who unlawfully attacks a police officer where the attack results in multiple bruises or something even worse should be guaranteed an incarceration sentence. Plus made liable for both the total costs of prosecuting them and crippling compensation payable to the victim or their next of kin. Along with thousands of hours of community service to occupy almost all their leisure time for the next 15-25 years.
why does it seem like the justice system is continually letting is down?