Nope. Demand is through the roof and supply isn’t catching up fast enough.
No
When everyone is saying no – it’s very possible the answer ends up being yes
/r/im14andthisisdeep
I learned this handy trick a few years ago. If you see an article with a question as the headline, the answer is always no.
If the answer was yes, that would be the headline. So if the answer is yes in this instance, the headline would be “housing bubble about to burst” says x person/organisation
Stagnate maybe, burst hell no until there’s far more supply
9k of the 25k house built last yr went to owner occupiers. Everything else is bought up as investments/social housing. Demand is insanely high.
There’s no bubble to burst. There’s a serious lack of housing. It’s simple economics. Supply and demand plain and simple. If there comes a point in a few years that the market is saturated with housing then it’s maybe possible but developers are good at reading the trends and don’t really leave themselves exposed. They are not going to build 20k plus homes if there’s no demand
What bubble? Demand massively outstrips supply. That’s not a bubble, it’s a shit housing policy.
High prices does not equal “bubble”. A shortage of supply is a genuine feature of the market, and I think prices are a genuine reflection of market conditions. Prices will only move with shifts in demand (e.g. interest increases, reduction in purchasing power, migration) or supply.
Yeah.
Monday at 14:05.
Shit, no, Monday’s a bank holiday.
Tuesday at 14:05.
Interest rates are like gravity for property. There is a lag of a few years but as interest rates go up, prices go down. People wanting a house is not demand. People’s ability to borrow for a house they want is demand. As interest rates go up, people’s ability to borrow is reduced, so they can’t offer the seller as much. There are two sides to the supply and demand equation. It seems that many people don’t understand the demand side. The supply side is still limited of course and more building is needed.
Looool
Been to open houses this Saturday. Absolute stampede, many cash buyer offers at/above ask already.
Irish houses are largely build costs plus a bit. Land value is very low outside the expensive Dublin postcodes. Very limited downside.
Negative
No one can answer your question with any degree of certainty, as it depends on many inter related factors.
However for people saying, “it won’t burst due to demand outstripping supply”, that is true, until it isn’t!
Interest rates are rising in order to combat inflation. Rising interest rates have a deflationary effect on house prices. Rising interest rates also have a negative effect on an economy’s growth.
If inflation isn’t tamed and we continue to have high inflation but the high interest rates also cause the economy to go into a recession then things get difficult.
If the recession is deep and people lose their jobs then buying power drops and house prices can drop.
Also if there’s a severe recession then large numbers of migrant workers will lose their jobs and they may leave the country, this freeing up supply also.
So, I think it’s the economy you need to look at. If the economy stays strong, I can’t see a property crash. If the economy falls into recession, property prices are under pressure.
Prices might fall but it will be more difficult to borrow. Rents won’t fall as long as long as there is a massive supply shortage.
There’s no bubble
Nope. Wishful thinking.
As long as people have jobs, banks have money to lend there won’t be a crash. Too many need somewhere to live. To many want to buy.
For a crash you need that demand to fall away. I just don’t see it happening anytime soon.
It’s not a bubble. More like a sponge, sucking up resources. Expanding more and more, but indestructible.
Seeing 50k price drops in some places, so it’s definitely time for everyone to hold off on buying.
Most likely, prices will keep going up. Maybe just not as fast as currently.
The thing about it all is that investors are not interested in an asset that has peaked or has no real potential for further profit in the short term. A drop off in investment, high interest rates and potential recession certainly indicate a dip may be coming.
Id say the next two weeks will tell alot.
We just bought so price crash imminent
What do you think prices would crash to?
This place is listed €420K for a 2 bed 1 bath in Grand Canal. Looks alright.
Probably rents for €3K or 8.6% yield. In London this would be maybe £700-900K and in Amsterdam probably €600-700K and both would rent for less – maybe £2.4K / €2.5K
I think property is decently valued but rents are totally fucked here.
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Nope. Demand is through the roof and supply isn’t catching up fast enough.
No
When everyone is saying no – it’s very possible the answer ends up being yes
/r/im14andthisisdeep
I learned this handy trick a few years ago. If you see an article with a question as the headline, the answer is always no.
If the answer was yes, that would be the headline. So if the answer is yes in this instance, the headline would be “housing bubble about to burst” says x person/organisation
Stagnate maybe, burst hell no until there’s far more supply
9k of the 25k house built last yr went to owner occupiers. Everything else is bought up as investments/social housing. Demand is insanely high.
There’s no bubble to burst. There’s a serious lack of housing. It’s simple economics. Supply and demand plain and simple. If there comes a point in a few years that the market is saturated with housing then it’s maybe possible but developers are good at reading the trends and don’t really leave themselves exposed. They are not going to build 20k plus homes if there’s no demand
What bubble? Demand massively outstrips supply. That’s not a bubble, it’s a shit housing policy.
High prices does not equal “bubble”. A shortage of supply is a genuine feature of the market, and I think prices are a genuine reflection of market conditions. Prices will only move with shifts in demand (e.g. interest increases, reduction in purchasing power, migration) or supply.
Yeah.
Monday at 14:05.
Shit, no, Monday’s a bank holiday.
Tuesday at 14:05.
Interest rates are like gravity for property. There is a lag of a few years but as interest rates go up, prices go down. People wanting a house is not demand. People’s ability to borrow for a house they want is demand. As interest rates go up, people’s ability to borrow is reduced, so they can’t offer the seller as much. There are two sides to the supply and demand equation. It seems that many people don’t understand the demand side. The supply side is still limited of course and more building is needed.
Looool
Been to open houses this Saturday. Absolute stampede, many cash buyer offers at/above ask already.
Irish houses are largely build costs plus a bit. Land value is very low outside the expensive Dublin postcodes. Very limited downside.
Negative
No one can answer your question with any degree of certainty, as it depends on many inter related factors.
However for people saying, “it won’t burst due to demand outstripping supply”, that is true, until it isn’t!
Interest rates are rising in order to combat inflation. Rising interest rates have a deflationary effect on house prices. Rising interest rates also have a negative effect on an economy’s growth.
If inflation isn’t tamed and we continue to have high inflation but the high interest rates also cause the economy to go into a recession then things get difficult.
If the recession is deep and people lose their jobs then buying power drops and house prices can drop.
Also if there’s a severe recession then large numbers of migrant workers will lose their jobs and they may leave the country, this freeing up supply also.
So, I think it’s the economy you need to look at. If the economy stays strong, I can’t see a property crash. If the economy falls into recession, property prices are under pressure.
Prices might fall but it will be more difficult to borrow. Rents won’t fall as long as long as there is a massive supply shortage.
There’s no bubble
Nope. Wishful thinking.
As long as people have jobs, banks have money to lend there won’t be a crash. Too many need somewhere to live. To many want to buy.
For a crash you need that demand to fall away. I just don’t see it happening anytime soon.
It’s not a bubble. More like a sponge, sucking up resources. Expanding more and more, but indestructible.
Seeing 50k price drops in some places, so it’s definitely time for everyone to hold off on buying.
Most likely, prices will keep going up. Maybe just not as fast as currently.
The thing about it all is that investors are not interested in an asset that has peaked or has no real potential for further profit in the short term. A drop off in investment, high interest rates and potential recession certainly indicate a dip may be coming.
Id say the next two weeks will tell alot.
We just bought so price crash imminent
What do you think prices would crash to?
This place is listed €420K for a 2 bed 1 bath in Grand Canal. Looks alright.
https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/apartment-4-butlers-place-benson-street-dublin-2/4719423
Probably rents for €3K or 8.6% yield. In London this would be maybe £700-900K and in Amsterdam probably €600-700K and both would rent for less – maybe £2.4K / €2.5K
I think property is decently valued but rents are totally fucked here.