>Het mag duidelijk zijn dat de liberalen het debat over de kilometerheffing levend willen houden. Op het Open VLD-partijhoofdkwartier benadrukken ze dat het ‘verstandig beleid is om te proberen draagvlak te creëren over het hele grondgebied’. De partij wil het debat aangaan nu er weer files zijn, samen met de ‘enorme maatschappelijke kosten’ die daarmee gepaard gaan.
>De liberalen voelen zich gesteund door de mobiliteitsexperts die al jarenlang voorstander zijn van het rekeningrijden, maar ook door werkgeversorganisatie Voka. Alleen raakt het debat niet uit de politieke controverse.
It’s pretty clear it’s coming. It’s just a matter of “when”. Everyone is in favor of it except for regular citizens who hear “tax” and start freaking out as if they’re being hunted in the Hunger Games.
> Nochtans heeft N-VA er ook een hobbelig parcours op zitten. De vorige minister van Mobiliteit Ben Weyts (N-VA) timmerde toen aan een heffing. Maar na het lekken van een voorlopige studie begroef hij de plannen al snel door ‘een gebrek aan draagkracht’.
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> In juni liet Vlaams minister van Financiën Matthias Diependaele (N-VA) zich betrappen op een opmerkelijke uitspraak tijdens een bezoek aan een brandstoffenhandel in Aalst. ‘Het is onvermijdelijk dat er ofwel een kilometerheffing ofwel een taks op elektrische wagens zal komen’, klonk het toen.
Even NVA is in favor of it behind closed doors. They’re just too chicken shit to act on it
Imo it seems like another tax that can be avoided by those who have the luxury to choose their own hours/work from home. So who gets fucked over again? The labourers.
> “Door rekeningrijden laten we mensen op een weloverwogen manier kiezen voor hun transportmiddel. Maar de alternatieven moeten er zijn. Daarom verzet ik me voorlopig tegen de Brusselse stadstol. Voor een Vlaming die naar Brussel pendelt, zijn het openbaar vervoer, de fietspaden of de randparkings niet toereikend. Wat Brussel met de stadstol doet, is een straf voor die mensen.”
And that’s of course total nonsense. It’s not because our current public transport is lacking, that we shouldn’t be introducing a road use charge, as that’s a classic chicken and egg story. Even more so, because the flemish government keeps cutting down on public transport, instead of investing in it, which basically postpones her “right moment” for a road use charge indefinitely.
It doesn’t get much more hypocrite than this.
I am not in favour of it because I believe being in congestion is enough of an intensive to not be in it. Personally I avoid it if possible at any occasion.
Do not solve congestion by punishing it more. Solve it by providing better alternatives.
Our freedoms are taken away slowly.. they’ll always cover their actions disguised as doing something positive for the world (meanwhile 3M, lol).
They won’t stop increasing the taxes, soon you won’t be able to drive where you want.
As somebody without a car…
– This makes the idea of getting a car even more difficult…
-> Most internships or job offers *anyway* require me to have a car ; some only require the driving license and provide a company car.
– *How about we do something about trains, buses, or bikes?* I’d ride my cycle if I wasn’t risking to get killed every 200m (due to no bike lanes, or, more often, bike lanes crossing through everything), and if I had somewhere to store it without it getting stolen every week (you see these *everywhere* in the Netherlands, and I don’t mean only stations – many towns provide public, secured bike parkings even in residential areas). Trains and buses? I am sorry, but if it takes me three hours to travel 50km, something is wrong. I see my partner’s place, between Nijmegen and Arnhem. Bus every 15 minutes, hourly bus during the night. Sometimes every 5 minutes during peak hour. Trains? Every 30 minutes. 15 during peak hour. He needs to go to Utrecht. 81km in… 1h35. One bus, two trains. Compared to me, one bus, one train, for a bit more than half the distance, in double the time, that’s incredible.
Dutch trains also have space for you to put a cycle in. Here, there’s no space. Buy a ticket for your cycle, only to be rejected by the checker because there is no room in the train. 10/10.
We need to do something about public transport, rather than make the required inaccessible. Employers wouldn’t require you to have a car if the public transport was reliable.
Perso, no problem with taxes per driven km. You drive little, less taxes. Alot, more. If the lump sum taxes are abolished that is, those are bad policy bc they punish the poor and middle class as well as those who drive only a few 1000 km alot more than others.
Not a fan of congestion pricing though, tax per km and congestion itself are deterrent enough. I can see what you are trying to do there Lydia.
Does a teacher need to be at 8:30 in the class, exactly they have no choice. Same with parents that bring their children to school, I am not saying 12+ age but all the lower ones. Because this will also lead to higher public transport prices during peak hours
Sure, let’s tax people exactly during those hours which they don’t have any control over because schools and offices start at specific hours in the morning. I myself currently cycle to my work, but my partner needs to drive to his job. If this new tax actually becomes a thing, I will still definitely riot, because it will once again be hitting the wrong people (basically everyone with a 9 to 5 job and/or kids who need to go to school). We already pay enough damn taxes.
Noone WANTS to be in that traffic jam. Start looking at root causes, rather than ‘trying to solve the phenomenon’.
Put pricing on the table. Let companies pay for costs of transportation of employees.
See how quickly companies suddenly find starting at hour x less important, or even being present, or relocate to locations with more ease of access to offices, etc etc.
Everybody in the traffic jam during rush hour for fun raise your hand!
Seriously, as soon as there are viable alternatives, people will leave their car at home. Until then it is just an extra tax.
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>Het mag duidelijk zijn dat de liberalen het debat over de kilometerheffing levend willen houden. Op het Open VLD-partijhoofdkwartier benadrukken ze dat het ‘verstandig beleid is om te proberen draagvlak te creëren over het hele grondgebied’. De partij wil het debat aangaan nu er weer files zijn, samen met de ‘enorme maatschappelijke kosten’ die daarmee gepaard gaan.
>De liberalen voelen zich gesteund door de mobiliteitsexperts die al jarenlang voorstander zijn van het rekeningrijden, maar ook door werkgeversorganisatie Voka. Alleen raakt het debat niet uit de politieke controverse.
It’s pretty clear it’s coming. It’s just a matter of “when”. Everyone is in favor of it except for regular citizens who hear “tax” and start freaking out as if they’re being hunted in the Hunger Games.
> Nochtans heeft N-VA er ook een hobbelig parcours op zitten. De vorige minister van Mobiliteit Ben Weyts (N-VA) timmerde toen aan een heffing. Maar na het lekken van een voorlopige studie begroef hij de plannen al snel door ‘een gebrek aan draagkracht’.
>
> In juni liet Vlaams minister van Financiën Matthias Diependaele (N-VA) zich betrappen op een opmerkelijke uitspraak tijdens een bezoek aan een brandstoffenhandel in Aalst. ‘Het is onvermijdelijk dat er ofwel een kilometerheffing ofwel een taks op elektrische wagens zal komen’, klonk het toen.
Even NVA is in favor of it behind closed doors. They’re just too chicken shit to act on it
Imo it seems like another tax that can be avoided by those who have the luxury to choose their own hours/work from home. So who gets fucked over again? The labourers.
From the [article in Bruzz](https://www.bruzz.be/mobiliteit/lydia-peeters-kilometerheffing-onvermijdelijk-maar-niet-zoals-brussel-die-voorstelt-2021) it looks like it’s Lydia Peeters dragging her feet again and ducking responsibility, just like she did with the particulate filter fraud.
> “Door rekeningrijden laten we mensen op een weloverwogen manier kiezen voor hun transportmiddel. Maar de alternatieven moeten er zijn. Daarom verzet ik me voorlopig tegen de Brusselse stadstol. Voor een Vlaming die naar Brussel pendelt, zijn het openbaar vervoer, de fietspaden of de randparkings niet toereikend. Wat Brussel met de stadstol doet, is een straf voor die mensen.”
And that’s of course total nonsense. It’s not because our current public transport is lacking, that we shouldn’t be introducing a road use charge, as that’s a classic chicken and egg story. Even more so, because the flemish government keeps cutting down on public transport, instead of investing in it, which basically postpones her “right moment” for a road use charge indefinitely.
It doesn’t get much more hypocrite than this.
I am not in favour of it because I believe being in congestion is enough of an intensive to not be in it. Personally I avoid it if possible at any occasion.
Do not solve congestion by punishing it more. Solve it by providing better alternatives.
Our freedoms are taken away slowly.. they’ll always cover their actions disguised as doing something positive for the world (meanwhile 3M, lol).
They won’t stop increasing the taxes, soon you won’t be able to drive where you want.
As somebody without a car…
– This makes the idea of getting a car even more difficult…
-> Most internships or job offers *anyway* require me to have a car ; some only require the driving license and provide a company car.
– *How about we do something about trains, buses, or bikes?* I’d ride my cycle if I wasn’t risking to get killed every 200m (due to no bike lanes, or, more often, bike lanes crossing through everything), and if I had somewhere to store it without it getting stolen every week (you see these *everywhere* in the Netherlands, and I don’t mean only stations – many towns provide public, secured bike parkings even in residential areas). Trains and buses? I am sorry, but if it takes me three hours to travel 50km, something is wrong. I see my partner’s place, between Nijmegen and Arnhem. Bus every 15 minutes, hourly bus during the night. Sometimes every 5 minutes during peak hour. Trains? Every 30 minutes. 15 during peak hour. He needs to go to Utrecht. 81km in… 1h35. One bus, two trains. Compared to me, one bus, one train, for a bit more than half the distance, in double the time, that’s incredible.
Dutch trains also have space for you to put a cycle in. Here, there’s no space. Buy a ticket for your cycle, only to be rejected by the checker because there is no room in the train. 10/10.
We need to do something about public transport, rather than make the required inaccessible. Employers wouldn’t require you to have a car if the public transport was reliable.
Perso, no problem with taxes per driven km. You drive little, less taxes. Alot, more. If the lump sum taxes are abolished that is, those are bad policy bc they punish the poor and middle class as well as those who drive only a few 1000 km alot more than others.
Not a fan of congestion pricing though, tax per km and congestion itself are deterrent enough. I can see what you are trying to do there Lydia.
Does a teacher need to be at 8:30 in the class, exactly they have no choice. Same with parents that bring their children to school, I am not saying 12+ age but all the lower ones. Because this will also lead to higher public transport prices during peak hours
Sure, let’s tax people exactly during those hours which they don’t have any control over because schools and offices start at specific hours in the morning. I myself currently cycle to my work, but my partner needs to drive to his job. If this new tax actually becomes a thing, I will still definitely riot, because it will once again be hitting the wrong people (basically everyone with a 9 to 5 job and/or kids who need to go to school). We already pay enough damn taxes.
Noone WANTS to be in that traffic jam. Start looking at root causes, rather than ‘trying to solve the phenomenon’.
Put pricing on the table. Let companies pay for costs of transportation of employees.
See how quickly companies suddenly find starting at hour x less important, or even being present, or relocate to locations with more ease of access to offices, etc etc.
Everybody in the traffic jam during rush hour for fun raise your hand!
Seriously, as soon as there are viable alternatives, people will leave their car at home. Until then it is just an extra tax.