It’s nonsense to count Scotland as a single region. You need to separate out the regions with any real population density from the rest. The same argument can be applied to Wales
Useless map. Regions too large to be meaningful.
I’ve found some large/well connected places eg. Leeds, Guildford/Surrey to be terrible for chargers and then found some random middle-of-nowhere places having huge banks of the things.
Edit: it is correct that Northern Ireland is *atrocious* for chargers though.
It’s worth reminding people who are less familiar with EVs that most EV drivers will rarely need to use a rapid charger except on longer trips. Most EV owners charge using the misleadingly named “fast chargers” which work most commonly at 7kW and can be fitted much cheaper at homes, workplaces and the like. A 7kW charger will be able to charge most EVs up overnight satisfactorily.
Rapid chargers are most important when you need to break a long journey that can’t be made on a single charge, and they’re most needed along transport corridors such as at motorway service stations and along trunk roads.
Public 7kW chargers are absolutely needed though, because not everyone has a driveway. I would absolutely love to see 7kW infrastructure built out at places where you park your car for long periods – hotels and other visitor accommodation, car parks for apartment buildings, workplaces, leisure attractions and the like, as well as along residential streets where off-street parking is scarce. Because 7kW infrastructure is much cheaper to build out than rapid charging infrastructure and can be used for all those situations where you’re not needing to recharge super fast, it should be much easier to build out.
Considering people in cities are less likely to own a vehicle, it might be better to have the data broken down by vehicle registration, instead of per capita.
There’s a spelling mistake in the description of this figure. Is this from a legitimate source?
it is interesting how Scotland seems to be the best, despite it having plenty of rural areas, which may be totally lacking.
Yeah, looking on Zap Map a lot of the ones in rural areas of Wales are at B&Bs, National Trust properties, or hotels.
We really need to get to a situation where there are a few EV chargers routinely installed at places with a reasonable amount of parking, like coffee shops, fast food places, supermarkets, public car parks and out of town retail parks.
I know some consideration needs to be given with regards to how Scotland’s population is dispersed but honestly I was astounded at how many ev chargers there were in Scotland when I visited last month. Whole carparks worth of them and I wasn’t in Glasgow, Edinburgh or Aberdeen. They are really ahead of the curve.
Until they make more oversized E4x4s there ain’t gonna be many chargers here in Cumbria.
Worth bearing in mind that:
– Most EV owners (approx two-thirds) will charge from home most of the time,
– the typical range of new EVs is still increasing, meaning that the number of times a vehicle will need to charge in a given period is declining,
– typical charging speeds are increasing, reducing the times vehicles will spend charging.
There’s still a lot of progress tro be made with issues to be addressed (e.g. charger maintenence), but things are broadly improving and I’m intrested in seeing how far the above points continue to develop over the next decade or two. Especially, as more business vehicles make the switch.
We did from London up and around Scotland for 2500 miles last March. Cost us £13 something thanks to the Scottish chargers being mainly free. Loved how easy it was compared to down here. Always one kinda close and never a queue! For free!! ❤️
I mean the move to EVs is gonna fall flat if this doesnt improve massively
>ChargePlace Scotland is Scotland’s national Electric Vehicle (EV) charging network. We’re owned and have been developed by the Scottish Government, and funded in partnership through a public grant from Local Authorities and other organisations.
TABIS
Lol. How can we switch to electric cars with insignificant number of superchargers
No one will be charging in the next decade, China already has stations which you take your car to, where the battery is removed and a [fresh one put in](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWL1hZQmD0), takes about as long as filling up your tank.
I’m in NI,have had an EV since 2014,and the first ever CCS charger in my county (Fermanagh) is online under 2 years at this point.Public charging on the biggest local network ( Ecars) has been free up until this week. Maintenance and replacement of dodgy chargers hasn’t been a high priority of late (5/6 within 10 miles haven’t worked in near a year.) New infrastructure is coming within the year,we’ve been promised. Looking forward to seeing that pitiful figure climb soon..
As someone in the west midlands, I feel EV is still in the very early stages.
I’m part of a car scheme that has an EV, which does about 120-180 miles.
I went to Chester once (2hr drive) and had to charge there.
Opened zap-map and it’s a pain trying to find a charging point that fits your pin connector.
Being in a new area too, and sometimes difficulty with wifi connection, you have to try and navigate to a charging point. However, zap map also shows private connectors or exclusive connectors (such as businesses or hotels).
The EV’s dashboard satnav also shows electric charging points in the most stupid locations. It once showed one at an abandond garage, and another in the middle of the road.
It’s about 5pm, I’m 2hrs from home in a EV with my wife & baby, panicking if the 20miles left is enough to get me to a correct charging point. While sitting in the car, turned off, my miles left went from 20 to 18, so I’m panicking more.
However, you could argue why I didn’t charge on the way for a break? Literally none. I stopped off at a town and it didn’t have my pin connectors.
The charging points are a fucking pain too. I was new to it, scanned my card, got charged £15 holding deposit. No problem at first. No connectors that fit, maybe the otherside (my fault for not checking zapmap first, but I was new to EV’s). Scan my card on the other charging point, I’m charged another £15. I was always meaning to contact the customer support but to this day, don’t even know if I got the £30 back or not.
Anywho, it seems different charging points require you to install different apps for them to work. I have about 3 apps on my phone now.
I know newer EV’s have up to 300 miles, which is great for the UK, but older models aren’t suitable anymore.
zap map used to be a great source to find the chargers no matter the network – its missing quite a lot of the chargers esp those that dont have a deal with zap map set up
I do all my charging on public networks – i live on a terraced street so cant fit one at the front – i was hoping to have one in the back garden but it requires 30m of cabling to get there
so initially i did the tesco free charging, and then the paid charging – it was still cheaper. tesco have once again put their prices up and its not worth it
i subscribe to the Elli app £12 a month – they discount alot of the charging networks – its run by VW so not some small company either. on standard fast chargers its 43p or if you have a fantastic ionity charger near its .31p
one full charge from ionity and i’ve already saved around £15 from standard ionity prices.
i tend to go birmingham alot from lancashire so the one at stoke is great to charge on the way back. i’ve taken it to london and stopped at the cambridge services.
longest trip was to normandy. stopped at ionity milton keynes, full charged it at channel tunnel and then on the way down there’s a few well placed in europe too.
As a complete off topic side note, for the people saying the regions are too big, these are roughly the sizes of areas that junior doctors have to rank to apply for jobs for a lottery of any hospitals within that area
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As of January 2023. Should read per 100,000 population, rather than per capita – apologies.
Source: [https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/electric-vehicle-charging-device-statistics-january-2023/electric-vehicle-charging-device-statistics-january-2023](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/electric-vehicle-charging-device-statistics-january-2023/electric-vehicle-charging-device-statistics-january-2023)
It’s nonsense to count Scotland as a single region. You need to separate out the regions with any real population density from the rest. The same argument can be applied to Wales
Useless map. Regions too large to be meaningful.
I’ve found some large/well connected places eg. Leeds, Guildford/Surrey to be terrible for chargers and then found some random middle-of-nowhere places having huge banks of the things.
Edit: it is correct that Northern Ireland is *atrocious* for chargers though.
It’s worth reminding people who are less familiar with EVs that most EV drivers will rarely need to use a rapid charger except on longer trips. Most EV owners charge using the misleadingly named “fast chargers” which work most commonly at 7kW and can be fitted much cheaper at homes, workplaces and the like. A 7kW charger will be able to charge most EVs up overnight satisfactorily.
Rapid chargers are most important when you need to break a long journey that can’t be made on a single charge, and they’re most needed along transport corridors such as at motorway service stations and along trunk roads.
Public 7kW chargers are absolutely needed though, because not everyone has a driveway. I would absolutely love to see 7kW infrastructure built out at places where you park your car for long periods – hotels and other visitor accommodation, car parks for apartment buildings, workplaces, leisure attractions and the like, as well as along residential streets where off-street parking is scarce. Because 7kW infrastructure is much cheaper to build out than rapid charging infrastructure and can be used for all those situations where you’re not needing to recharge super fast, it should be much easier to build out.
Considering people in cities are less likely to own a vehicle, it might be better to have the data broken down by vehicle registration, instead of per capita.
There’s a spelling mistake in the description of this figure. Is this from a legitimate source?
it is interesting how Scotland seems to be the best, despite it having plenty of rural areas, which may be totally lacking.
Yeah, looking on Zap Map a lot of the ones in rural areas of Wales are at B&Bs, National Trust properties, or hotels.
We really need to get to a situation where there are a few EV chargers routinely installed at places with a reasonable amount of parking, like coffee shops, fast food places, supermarkets, public car parks and out of town retail parks.
I know some consideration needs to be given with regards to how Scotland’s population is dispersed but honestly I was astounded at how many ev chargers there were in Scotland when I visited last month. Whole carparks worth of them and I wasn’t in Glasgow, Edinburgh or Aberdeen. They are really ahead of the curve.
Until they make more oversized E4x4s there ain’t gonna be many chargers here in Cumbria.
Worth bearing in mind that:
– Most EV owners (approx two-thirds) will charge from home most of the time,
– the typical range of new EVs is still increasing, meaning that the number of times a vehicle will need to charge in a given period is declining,
– typical charging speeds are increasing, reducing the times vehicles will spend charging.
There’s still a lot of progress tro be made with issues to be addressed (e.g. charger maintenence), but things are broadly improving and I’m intrested in seeing how far the above points continue to develop over the next decade or two. Especially, as more business vehicles make the switch.
We did from London up and around Scotland for 2500 miles last March. Cost us £13 something thanks to the Scottish chargers being mainly free. Loved how easy it was compared to down here. Always one kinda close and never a queue! For free!! ❤️
I mean the move to EVs is gonna fall flat if this doesnt improve massively
You can see the distribution of charge points at [ChargePlace Scotland](https://chargeplacescotland.org/)’s website
>ChargePlace Scotland is Scotland’s national Electric Vehicle (EV) charging network. We’re owned and have been developed by the Scottish Government, and funded in partnership through a public grant from Local Authorities and other organisations.
TABIS
Lol. How can we switch to electric cars with insignificant number of superchargers
No one will be charging in the next decade, China already has stations which you take your car to, where the battery is removed and a [fresh one put in](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWL1hZQmD0), takes about as long as filling up your tank.
They recently opened one in Norway.
They have been doing it for [electric scooters ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2hLjcNxjKI) for nearly 5 years in Taiwan.
I’m in NI,have had an EV since 2014,and the first ever CCS charger in my county (Fermanagh) is online under 2 years at this point.Public charging on the biggest local network ( Ecars) has been free up until this week. Maintenance and replacement of dodgy chargers hasn’t been a high priority of late (5/6 within 10 miles haven’t worked in near a year.) New infrastructure is coming within the year,we’ve been promised. Looking forward to seeing that pitiful figure climb soon..
As someone in the west midlands, I feel EV is still in the very early stages.
I’m part of a car scheme that has an EV, which does about 120-180 miles.
I went to Chester once (2hr drive) and had to charge there.
Opened zap-map and it’s a pain trying to find a charging point that fits your pin connector.
Being in a new area too, and sometimes difficulty with wifi connection, you have to try and navigate to a charging point. However, zap map also shows private connectors or exclusive connectors (such as businesses or hotels).
The EV’s dashboard satnav also shows electric charging points in the most stupid locations. It once showed one at an abandond garage, and another in the middle of the road.
It’s about 5pm, I’m 2hrs from home in a EV with my wife & baby, panicking if the 20miles left is enough to get me to a correct charging point. While sitting in the car, turned off, my miles left went from 20 to 18, so I’m panicking more.
However, you could argue why I didn’t charge on the way for a break? Literally none. I stopped off at a town and it didn’t have my pin connectors.
The charging points are a fucking pain too. I was new to it, scanned my card, got charged £15 holding deposit. No problem at first. No connectors that fit, maybe the otherside (my fault for not checking zapmap first, but I was new to EV’s). Scan my card on the other charging point, I’m charged another £15. I was always meaning to contact the customer support but to this day, don’t even know if I got the £30 back or not.
Anywho, it seems different charging points require you to install different apps for them to work. I have about 3 apps on my phone now.
I know newer EV’s have up to 300 miles, which is great for the UK, but older models aren’t suitable anymore.
zap map used to be a great source to find the chargers no matter the network – its missing quite a lot of the chargers esp those that dont have a deal with zap map set up
I do all my charging on public networks – i live on a terraced street so cant fit one at the front – i was hoping to have one in the back garden but it requires 30m of cabling to get there
so initially i did the tesco free charging, and then the paid charging – it was still cheaper. tesco have once again put their prices up and its not worth it
i subscribe to the Elli app £12 a month – they discount alot of the charging networks – its run by VW so not some small company either. on standard fast chargers its 43p or if you have a fantastic ionity charger near its .31p
one full charge from ionity and i’ve already saved around £15 from standard ionity prices.
i tend to go birmingham alot from lancashire so the one at stoke is great to charge on the way back. i’ve taken it to london and stopped at the cambridge services.
longest trip was to normandy. stopped at ionity milton keynes, full charged it at channel tunnel and then on the way down there’s a few well placed in europe too.
As a complete off topic side note, for the people saying the regions are too big, these are roughly the sizes of areas that junior doctors have to rank to apply for jobs for a lottery of any hospitals within that area