Fake! we all know that Cleopatra was black according to Netflix!
And the baby is Caesar’s son?
That is what you get from pretty much any pre-Renaissance artist when asked “draw me the queen of egypt on this wall”. The artist will draw a generic female noble from the culture they were from, i.e. most likely Roman. Because it’s been about symbolism, not reality. What matters is symbols of status, typically.
People in medieval Bible illustrations are also suspiciously light-skinned for depicting people in the area of today’s Israel. Because the monks that drew them never travelled more than a few dozen kilometers in their lives. Same goes for other cultures – if you look at depictions of somewhat “japanified” Europeans in Edo-period Japanese art. Holy men and women in medieval art are always identified by the items they carry or wear – not their faces. Finding some lost a depiction of saint Peter from 50CE in some ancient church wouldn’t mean we know how he actually looked.
No idea if this is supposed to be some “gotcha!” for the Netflix depiction of her as other commets seem to suggest – but no, it isn’t. It’s just irrelevant. Ancient art isn’t photography.
I always wonder if ancient people were really that ugly or if they just sucked at painting.
I have no problem with black Cleopatras, black Ariels etc ***in movies*** IF white Othellos, yellow/Mongoloid Nelson Mandela, red/Native American Wu Zetian… etc are also considered normal.
With interracial marriages and globalism, boundaries between “races” will probably blur even more gradually. It will be stupid if at some point a mixed race descendant of Charlemagne (if you marry an European today, there’s perhaps a 80% chance that your children will be his descendant) cannot portray him in movies because he looks a bit darker or something (as long as everything else – acting skills, “kingly aura”… etc – is OK). That will be robbing the ancestors of one side of their legacy and the descendants of one side of their inheritance.
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Claiming, as a scientific argument, that Cleopatra was “sub-Saharan black”, or the whole Ancient Egypt was a surviving branch of Atlantis or something, however, needs to be backed up with serious evidences.
How does this painting identify that’s the person is actually Cleopatra VII of Egypt ? Is there an inscription?
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Wtf Netflix told me she was black
Fake! we all know that Cleopatra was black according to Netflix!
And the baby is Caesar’s son?
That is what you get from pretty much any pre-Renaissance artist when asked “draw me the queen of egypt on this wall”. The artist will draw a generic female noble from the culture they were from, i.e. most likely Roman. Because it’s been about symbolism, not reality. What matters is symbols of status, typically.
People in medieval Bible illustrations are also suspiciously light-skinned for depicting people in the area of today’s Israel. Because the monks that drew them never travelled more than a few dozen kilometers in their lives. Same goes for other cultures – if you look at depictions of somewhat “japanified” Europeans in Edo-period Japanese art. Holy men and women in medieval art are always identified by the items they carry or wear – not their faces. Finding some lost a depiction of saint Peter from 50CE in some ancient church wouldn’t mean we know how he actually looked.
No idea if this is supposed to be some “gotcha!” for the Netflix depiction of her as other commets seem to suggest – but no, it isn’t. It’s just irrelevant. Ancient art isn’t photography.
I always wonder if ancient people were really that ugly or if they just sucked at painting.
I have no problem with black Cleopatras, black Ariels etc ***in movies*** IF white Othellos, yellow/Mongoloid Nelson Mandela, red/Native American Wu Zetian… etc are also considered normal.
With interracial marriages and globalism, boundaries between “races” will probably blur even more gradually. It will be stupid if at some point a mixed race descendant of Charlemagne (if you marry an European today, there’s perhaps a 80% chance that your children will be his descendant) cannot portray him in movies because he looks a bit darker or something (as long as everything else – acting skills, “kingly aura”… etc – is OK). That will be robbing the ancestors of one side of their legacy and the descendants of one side of their inheritance.
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Claiming, as a scientific argument, that Cleopatra was “sub-Saharan black”, or the whole Ancient Egypt was a surviving branch of Atlantis or something, however, needs to be backed up with serious evidences.
How does this painting identify that’s the person is actually Cleopatra VII of Egypt ? Is there an inscription?
In fact this source:
https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%AAer:Venus_and_Cupid_from_the_House_of_Marcus_Fabius_Rufus_at_Pompeii,_most_likely_a_depiction_of_Cleopatra_VII_(2).jpg
identified this picture as Venus and Cupid from the House of Marcus Fabius Rufus at Pompeii…
It is conjecture with it this is actually Cleopatra VII of Egypt.
some people are gonna be mad when they find out she wasnt black, and this painting was made while she was alive
Why is every comment on this racists and no-one is mentioning the creepy demon baby?
The internet has gone downhill.
Netflix is going to accuse you of racism.
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