> Janet Jones, who runs Siop Ty Tawe, said: “At one time you could park for an hour across the road for free, and that was perfect for us because people can just come in and buy a card.
I’m sorry, but if you drive a **car** to pick up a **card** then you are absolutely demented.
> In Copper Bay car park, the rate has gone from £1.40 an hour to £3 for visitors or £2 residents.
> High Street car park prices were 50p an hour but are now £1.50 or £1 for residents
This is also insane. Surely parking should be **more** expensive for residents, because people living within the town are making shorter trips that are more easily done by alternative means. Disability exemption as standard of course.
> “But now they have to pay £2 for an hour, it has had an effect on the shop and on the number of people who come here.
If they’re put off by an extra £2 they weren’t going to buy much in your shop in the first place.
> But following criticism, it agreed to introduce a new tariff of £1 an hour for up to three hours, after which time the cost reverts to the new tariffs.
Extremely affordable.
> “People won’t come into town, we can see it happening already. But if people come in, they come in and leave quickly, they don’t stay in town.
Doesn’t this maximise the effective use of the available parking space? Isn’t the idea that people coming into town is good because they’re spending money? One car sitting in the car park all day long is blocking that space for other potential consumers. Surely if you follow the standard economic arguments for why shopping is good, idle cars taking up city centre real estate while the occupants *aren’t even spending much money to do so* is undesirable. If you’re worried about spending an extra £2 then, to be blunt, you’re probably not the demographic who the shopping centre wants blocking up their car park all day.
> “They must consider lowering the prices while we are in the middle of a cost of living crisis, it’s too much, it really is too much.”
No, of course, we should instead subsidise a space and energy inefficient highly polluting mode of transport during a climate crisis instead. Think further ahead than your own nose for a second.
> As part of the council’s plans, **park and ride** prices will remain at **£1 for the day**.
This line makes this entire story **absolutely hilarious**.
Good.
Everyone should be discouraged from being in Swansea.
An NCP in Brighton charged me £26 for less than a days parking once
Have not been back to Brighton since
Swansea city council are doing their best to finish off the job Hitler started 80 years ago.
The problem is of course that public transport is terrible there – the Quadrant and bus station should have been built next to the train station, not the other side of the town centre.
Best option now is to demolish the town centre and give up.
Well that definitely encourages people back to the high street… this is idiotic.
Well you would want poor stinking up the place now would you!
After all that parking could be used by a billionaire like Rishi…oh wait he would just take his Jet at you the tax payers expense…never mind.
Ours are still too cheep, not enough of a deterrent.
Hasn’t it just reverted to pre pandemic prices?
People don’t really park for an entire day anyway and it’s really about making these car parks short stay as intended. As for the shopkeepers whining that business is down – well their business model of having people drive to them, park and then walk makes no sense. Except, perhaps, for food shopping (although I suspect that will eventually be pretty much all delivered to our doors too) and the odd item you need that you don’t want to wait for delivery for e.g wilkos in our town centre is always busy.
Other than that, unless you provide a service where a person needs to attend (e.g a haircut) you should expect your business to be shrinking.
I’m sure they’ll sort it
So it’s at a reasonable rate
“There is no inflation” said the British government official as he laughed hysterically
This is the reality of environment politics. However much campaigners will try to deny it, any measures to improve the environment will involve some people taking a step down in their standard of living.
Having to pay more to park in the centre, or else have the inconvenience of taking a bus, is a step down in your standard of living, no point denying it. And the fall in the number of visitors to the city centre will destroy some poeple’s businesses, which is a massive step down for the owners.
It is undoubtedly necessary for people to take a step down in their standard of living in order to avoid catastrophic climate change. And it is undoubtedly worth accepting that step down, when you consider the alternative.
But what we need to do is to ensure that the pain is spread evenly and fairly, and that any steps we take are actually going to improve things.
This is why we need to look critically at what various campaign groups are trying to do. We can’t just say “at least they are doing something”. They are each asking us to do things that will hurt various people in various ways, we need to be sure that is a fair request.
Did someone from Swansea council come shopping in Hereford and realize how much short term money could be made by killing the high street with crazy parking charges?
in manchester I was charged £17 to park for about 3 hours – I notice a shopper would be charged nothing like this in Swansea, and for the convenience of using a car they get a good amount of time for a fiver
I used to work in Leeds City centre. A car park there went from 6 quid all day to 35
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> Janet Jones, who runs Siop Ty Tawe, said: “At one time you could park for an hour across the road for free, and that was perfect for us because people can just come in and buy a card.
I’m sorry, but if you drive a **car** to pick up a **card** then you are absolutely demented.
> In Copper Bay car park, the rate has gone from £1.40 an hour to £3 for visitors or £2 residents.
> High Street car park prices were 50p an hour but are now £1.50 or £1 for residents
This is also insane. Surely parking should be **more** expensive for residents, because people living within the town are making shorter trips that are more easily done by alternative means. Disability exemption as standard of course.
> “But now they have to pay £2 for an hour, it has had an effect on the shop and on the number of people who come here.
If they’re put off by an extra £2 they weren’t going to buy much in your shop in the first place.
> But following criticism, it agreed to introduce a new tariff of £1 an hour for up to three hours, after which time the cost reverts to the new tariffs.
Extremely affordable.
> “People won’t come into town, we can see it happening already. But if people come in, they come in and leave quickly, they don’t stay in town.
Doesn’t this maximise the effective use of the available parking space? Isn’t the idea that people coming into town is good because they’re spending money? One car sitting in the car park all day long is blocking that space for other potential consumers. Surely if you follow the standard economic arguments for why shopping is good, idle cars taking up city centre real estate while the occupants *aren’t even spending much money to do so* is undesirable. If you’re worried about spending an extra £2 then, to be blunt, you’re probably not the demographic who the shopping centre wants blocking up their car park all day.
> “They must consider lowering the prices while we are in the middle of a cost of living crisis, it’s too much, it really is too much.”
No, of course, we should instead subsidise a space and energy inefficient highly polluting mode of transport during a climate crisis instead. Think further ahead than your own nose for a second.
> As part of the council’s plans, **park and ride** prices will remain at **£1 for the day**.
This line makes this entire story **absolutely hilarious**.
Good.
Everyone should be discouraged from being in Swansea.
An NCP in Brighton charged me £26 for less than a days parking once
Have not been back to Brighton since
Swansea city council are doing their best to finish off the job Hitler started 80 years ago.
The problem is of course that public transport is terrible there – the Quadrant and bus station should have been built next to the train station, not the other side of the town centre.
Best option now is to demolish the town centre and give up.
Well that definitely encourages people back to the high street… this is idiotic.
Well you would want poor stinking up the place now would you!
After all that parking could be used by a billionaire like Rishi…oh wait he would just take his Jet at you the tax payers expense…never mind.
Ours are still too cheep, not enough of a deterrent.
Hasn’t it just reverted to pre pandemic prices?
People don’t really park for an entire day anyway and it’s really about making these car parks short stay as intended. As for the shopkeepers whining that business is down – well their business model of having people drive to them, park and then walk makes no sense. Except, perhaps, for food shopping (although I suspect that will eventually be pretty much all delivered to our doors too) and the odd item you need that you don’t want to wait for delivery for e.g wilkos in our town centre is always busy.
Other than that, unless you provide a service where a person needs to attend (e.g a haircut) you should expect your business to be shrinking.
I’m sure they’ll sort it
So it’s at a reasonable rate
“There is no inflation” said the British government official as he laughed hysterically
This is the reality of environment politics. However much campaigners will try to deny it, any measures to improve the environment will involve some people taking a step down in their standard of living.
Having to pay more to park in the centre, or else have the inconvenience of taking a bus, is a step down in your standard of living, no point denying it. And the fall in the number of visitors to the city centre will destroy some poeple’s businesses, which is a massive step down for the owners.
It is undoubtedly necessary for people to take a step down in their standard of living in order to avoid catastrophic climate change. And it is undoubtedly worth accepting that step down, when you consider the alternative.
But what we need to do is to ensure that the pain is spread evenly and fairly, and that any steps we take are actually going to improve things.
This is why we need to look critically at what various campaign groups are trying to do. We can’t just say “at least they are doing something”. They are each asking us to do things that will hurt various people in various ways, we need to be sure that is a fair request.
Did someone from Swansea council come shopping in Hereford and realize how much short term money could be made by killing the high street with crazy parking charges?
in manchester I was charged £17 to park for about 3 hours – I notice a shopper would be charged nothing like this in Swansea, and for the convenience of using a car they get a good amount of time for a fiver
I used to work in Leeds City centre. A car park there went from 6 quid all day to 35