I think the only people who will be calling it by the Welsh name are the park management.
Why doesn’t he want to embrace native culture. I thought Tories were all *about* preserving the culture of our green isles.
For the downvoters: Welsh has been spoken here since long before the Angles and Saxons brought their proto-German, before the Romans invaded and brought their Latin, and before the French invaded and demoted the Anglo-Saxon stuff to ‘vulgarity’…
We also had ‘British’. Which is now Breton, and spoken only in France
Fine. I don’t know why some kind of trivial rebrand and reorganisation has become a “woke” part of the culture wars that people feel the need to pick a side on. I have seen some Tory MPs get really worked up about it – I wonder if they still use “Brecknockshire”?
Welsh tory hater here.
This is the most pathetic rage bait attempt…
Who could possibly care.
Ill still be calling them the brecon beacons…
Why? Just to be a dick?
He’s Prime Minister of the entire UK which includes 3 million Welsh people. If there’s an entirely effortless way of making them a tiny bit happier, why not take it?
Let’s face it, even if he called it by it’s English name for the rest of his life, he’d likely refer to it zero times for all the Tories give a shit about Wales.
On one hand, I would make a joke about tories and deadnaming.
On the other, I know that my parents and others still call Ho-Chi-Minh-City Saigon. It’s been decades, but Saigon sticks around.
Again on my third hand, there are renamed places that were accepted. E.g. people only very deliberately call Chemnits Karl-Marx-Stadt or Volgograd Stalingrad.
Quick let’s distract people from the fact bread costs nearly 50% more than it did 2 years ago.
Hows about, we give zero fucks about this, and keep the focus on his blatant corruption?
I do think that if we are very serious about preserving the languages of Britain that the resources should be more accessible across England and Wales. The biggest reason why people aren’t calling it Bannau Brycheiniog is because they don’t know how to pronounce it. Welsh is the oldest language in Britain and was spoken all over Wales and England at its height so I believe it also has a lot of historical and cultural importance.
The *real* issue with Sunak continuining to call it the Brecon Beacons isn’t because it’s the English pronunciation of the name. He is clearly doing it out of deviance by doing what the Conservatives do best – to speak down to other nations in the Union rather than on equal footing, which for a party which has “Unionist” in its full name is pretty ridiculous and ironic. As a leader (which is debateable at best), he should be more accepting, open and welcoming which must be tough seeing as his Home Secretary and other members of his cabinet are or have been bullies or generally nasty. Wales wants to preserve it’s language and has made this pretty clear. Same for Cornwall, Devon, Scotland and parts of the North of England, if I recall correctly?
It isn’t necessarily bad to call a place by its English pronunciation rather than native name. We do not expect other countries to call England, Wales, United Kingdom (etc) by their English names in France, Spain, German, the Netherlands etc, nor do we call the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Spain etc by their native names (Nederlands, Belgie/Belgique, Deutschland etc). The issue, like above, is doing it to belittle and to speak down. Nothing more. It’s not ignorance like when someone in France may call someone generally from the UK “English”. Sunak’s act is deliberately, to assert power.
Not trying to be a dick, but if I want to keep using “Brecon Beacons” because I don’t want to butcher the Welsh pronunciation, is that ok?
I don’t get the kerfuffle. Places have different names based on language spoken. When I speak English, I say Prague, when I speak Czech I say Praha. Call it the English name when speaking English and the welsh name when speaking welsh. Have both on the sign, since welsh signs are always in English and welsh anyway as far as I’ve seen.
One side of my family is from Abergavenny and don’t intend to start using any other name any time soon. The one thing that might make them do so is someone like Sunak refusing to make the change. Hmm.
I think removing it is stupid rather than pairing it with a more emphasised Banneu Bruchiniog in larger letters above it.
I’ve got used to saying it and I think I might have spelt it right without having to Google it. It is an important part of our history and I am in favour of either preserving or reviving Brythonic language
Why is this news? Can a sunak supporter explain what it means to them please?
Tbh I was going to keep calling it the Brecon Beacons because like any Englishman I see it as my duty to piss of the Welsh any way I can….
But not if it means agreeing with that wobbly Tory prick.
Bannau Brycheiniog it is. 🏴
Did someone have to explain to Richi where the Brecon Beacons were?
I live 4 miles from them and for my 56 years they’ve been the Brecon Beacons so my default with the the Beacons
Fair enough. I’ll keep calling him a fascist cunt. Done deal.
The Tories and their pathetic culture wars. You have to laugh!
He’s right on one point. Most people will likely still call it the Brecon Beacons. Partly because they don’t know the pronunciation of the new, Welsh name, partly out of laziness or habit.
However, as the leader of the country he should respect the devolved nations and use the correct name.
“Change bad”*
*Uproarious Tory Applause*
*unless it suits them
The Tories hate any change. Except changing us from a rich developed nation to a poor craphole.
Good, and is he calling Mumbai Bombay? Oh, he isn’t? Why?
That’s right, he is a Tory.
I suspect it’s part of his trans position and narrative.
He won’t choose to identify it by the name it now goes by.
Genuinely- this is part of the same “woke” identity politics according to his advisors.
That being said…he has a point when he says everyone’s gonna keep calling it Brecon Beacons.
Boomers still refer to “Marathons” as their favourite chocolate bar.
I’m going to keep calling this a dead cat as he swings it.
I’m sure he took enough grief for his name during the years he spent in his expensive child abuse factory to know how dumb that is.
I would put a tenner on someone like Boris calling him ‘Ricky’ all the way through sixth form because his name was ‘too hard to remember’.
Why does a Welsh name for a Welsh national park bother so many people?
Although I don’t think this is news worthy in the slightest, I won’t brush it off as meaningless.
In the past, England put great effort into eradicating the Welsh language, and the Welsh government is working to repair that. This signals to welsh people that Westminster is the same old England rather than a government that recognises and addresses the countries past, as well as a government that refuses to work with the Senedd to achieve a better Wales.
This isn’t really about what people personally want to call it. It’s about a person in an official capacity refusing to use the official name an area for political point scoring.
Call it what you want, but if your being paid by this county to represent this county, you use the official name.
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I think the only people who will be calling it by the Welsh name are the park management.
Why doesn’t he want to embrace native culture. I thought Tories were all *about* preserving the culture of our green isles.
For the downvoters: Welsh has been spoken here since long before the Angles and Saxons brought their proto-German, before the Romans invaded and brought their Latin, and before the French invaded and demoted the Anglo-Saxon stuff to ‘vulgarity’…
We also had ‘British’. Which is now Breton, and spoken only in France
Fine. I don’t know why some kind of trivial rebrand and reorganisation has become a “woke” part of the culture wars that people feel the need to pick a side on. I have seen some Tory MPs get really worked up about it – I wonder if they still use “Brecknockshire”?
Welsh tory hater here.
This is the most pathetic rage bait attempt…
Who could possibly care.
Ill still be calling them the brecon beacons…
Why? Just to be a dick?
He’s Prime Minister of the entire UK which includes 3 million Welsh people. If there’s an entirely effortless way of making them a tiny bit happier, why not take it?
Let’s face it, even if he called it by it’s English name for the rest of his life, he’d likely refer to it zero times for all the Tories give a shit about Wales.
On one hand, I would make a joke about tories and deadnaming.
On the other, I know that my parents and others still call Ho-Chi-Minh-City Saigon. It’s been decades, but Saigon sticks around.
Again on my third hand, there are renamed places that were accepted. E.g. people only very deliberately call Chemnits Karl-Marx-Stadt or Volgograd Stalingrad.
Quick let’s distract people from the fact bread costs nearly 50% more than it did 2 years ago.
Hows about, we give zero fucks about this, and keep the focus on his blatant corruption?
I do think that if we are very serious about preserving the languages of Britain that the resources should be more accessible across England and Wales. The biggest reason why people aren’t calling it Bannau Brycheiniog is because they don’t know how to pronounce it. Welsh is the oldest language in Britain and was spoken all over Wales and England at its height so I believe it also has a lot of historical and cultural importance.
The *real* issue with Sunak continuining to call it the Brecon Beacons isn’t because it’s the English pronunciation of the name. He is clearly doing it out of deviance by doing what the Conservatives do best – to speak down to other nations in the Union rather than on equal footing, which for a party which has “Unionist” in its full name is pretty ridiculous and ironic. As a leader (which is debateable at best), he should be more accepting, open and welcoming which must be tough seeing as his Home Secretary and other members of his cabinet are or have been bullies or generally nasty. Wales wants to preserve it’s language and has made this pretty clear. Same for Cornwall, Devon, Scotland and parts of the North of England, if I recall correctly?
It isn’t necessarily bad to call a place by its English pronunciation rather than native name. We do not expect other countries to call England, Wales, United Kingdom (etc) by their English names in France, Spain, German, the Netherlands etc, nor do we call the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Spain etc by their native names (Nederlands, Belgie/Belgique, Deutschland etc). The issue, like above, is doing it to belittle and to speak down. Nothing more. It’s not ignorance like when someone in France may call someone generally from the UK “English”. Sunak’s act is deliberately, to assert power.
Not trying to be a dick, but if I want to keep using “Brecon Beacons” because I don’t want to butcher the Welsh pronunciation, is that ok?
I don’t get the kerfuffle. Places have different names based on language spoken. When I speak English, I say Prague, when I speak Czech I say Praha. Call it the English name when speaking English and the welsh name when speaking welsh. Have both on the sign, since welsh signs are always in English and welsh anyway as far as I’ve seen.
One side of my family is from Abergavenny and don’t intend to start using any other name any time soon. The one thing that might make them do so is someone like Sunak refusing to make the change. Hmm.
I think removing it is stupid rather than pairing it with a more emphasised Banneu Bruchiniog in larger letters above it.
I’ve got used to saying it and I think I might have spelt it right without having to Google it. It is an important part of our history and I am in favour of either preserving or reviving Brythonic language
Why is this news? Can a sunak supporter explain what it means to them please?
Tbh I was going to keep calling it the Brecon Beacons because like any Englishman I see it as my duty to piss of the Welsh any way I can….
But not if it means agreeing with that wobbly Tory prick.
Bannau Brycheiniog it is. 🏴
Did someone have to explain to Richi where the Brecon Beacons were?
I live 4 miles from them and for my 56 years they’ve been the Brecon Beacons so my default with the the Beacons
Fair enough. I’ll keep calling him a fascist cunt. Done deal.
The Tories and their pathetic culture wars. You have to laugh!
He’s right on one point. Most people will likely still call it the Brecon Beacons. Partly because they don’t know the pronunciation of the new, Welsh name, partly out of laziness or habit.
However, as the leader of the country he should respect the devolved nations and use the correct name.
“Change bad”*
*Uproarious Tory Applause*
*unless it suits them
The Tories hate any change. Except changing us from a rich developed nation to a poor craphole.
Good, and is he calling Mumbai Bombay? Oh, he isn’t? Why?
That’s right, he is a Tory.
I suspect it’s part of his trans position and narrative.
He won’t choose to identify it by the name it now goes by.
Genuinely- this is part of the same “woke” identity politics according to his advisors.
That being said…he has a point when he says everyone’s gonna keep calling it Brecon Beacons.
Boomers still refer to “Marathons” as their favourite chocolate bar.
I’m going to keep calling this a dead cat as he swings it.
I’m sure he took enough grief for his name during the years he spent in his expensive child abuse factory to know how dumb that is.
I would put a tenner on someone like Boris calling him ‘Ricky’ all the way through sixth form because his name was ‘too hard to remember’.
Why does a Welsh name for a Welsh national park bother so many people?
Although I don’t think this is news worthy in the slightest, I won’t brush it off as meaningless.
In the past, England put great effort into eradicating the Welsh language, and the Welsh government is working to repair that. This signals to welsh people that Westminster is the same old England rather than a government that recognises and addresses the countries past, as well as a government that refuses to work with the Senedd to achieve a better Wales.
This isn’t really about what people personally want to call it. It’s about a person in an official capacity refusing to use the official name an area for political point scoring.
Call it what you want, but if your being paid by this county to represent this county, you use the official name.