Not surprising that bringing back tenements is a possibility under Fine Gael.
Developers who build apartments here already assume that the occupants won’t be doing much in the kitchen, if the sheer pokiness of most of them are anything to go by.
Not long before the vampire beds from Ross O’ Carroll Kelly become a reality.
German rental apartments don’t have kitchens
Kitchen renamed to reheating room.
We had until recently bedsits. They were gotten rid of when they shouldn’t have been. Makes sense to have something similar.
Reading the article, this isn’t talking about bringing back bedsits or tenements with no kitchens at all, but rather the practice followed in some other European countries of renting out standard apartments without any interior finishings at all (including no kitchen cabinetry or appliances). The tenant is then responsible for purchasing and installing flooring, built-in furnishings, kitchen fittings and appliances, etc. themselves.
While it would lower construction costs somewhat, since developers of build-to-rent places would no longer have to provide interior finishes, it wouldn’t really be compatible with Ireland’s current tenancy laws. Tenants wouldn’t be very keen on paying for all of that interior work when their landlord can effectively boot them out at any time. Usually the countries where that practice of renting a “grey box” property is common have much stronger tenant protections. And while tenants in build-to-rent properties do have a bit more security than those with private landlords (since their landlord isn’t going to sell the place out from under them to an owner-occupier or say they need to move in themselves), if the law is changed to allow properties to be rented unfinished, you know that existing private landlords here will be tearing out all the appliances and not bothering to paint or replace worn-out flooring or anything ever again since they’re now allowed to make that the responsibility of their tenants, and *they* can and will still boot their tenants out on a whim for the usual reasons. Hell, some would probably turn it into a business model; buy a derelict property, fix the structure and exterior, get a tenant in and make them finish the interior, then terminate the tenancy to sell the place and hope the tenant won’t tear out all those new finishings they installed just to spite you.
Sure, but people need choice. If they need a kitchen then they need a different place
A world of no to this.
This could work for buying, you could do things slowly to keep costs down. For renting I think it puts way too much of a cost burden on the renter to provide flooring, appliances and kitchen units upfront. A lot of people would go without to save money.
I work in construction. The amount of new builds here that get gutted and refurbished as soon as they’re sold is unbelievable wasteful.
If it ever comes in – Rent €2k, Mandatory rental of Kitchen & furnishings- €250 p/m.
LL – no the rent hasn’t gone up in a RPZ, it was always unfurnished.
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Not surprising that bringing back tenements is a possibility under Fine Gael.
Developers who build apartments here already assume that the occupants won’t be doing much in the kitchen, if the sheer pokiness of most of them are anything to go by.
Not long before the vampire beds from Ross O’ Carroll Kelly become a reality.
German rental apartments don’t have kitchens
Kitchen renamed to reheating room.
We had until recently bedsits. They were gotten rid of when they shouldn’t have been. Makes sense to have something similar.
Reading the article, this isn’t talking about bringing back bedsits or tenements with no kitchens at all, but rather the practice followed in some other European countries of renting out standard apartments without any interior finishings at all (including no kitchen cabinetry or appliances). The tenant is then responsible for purchasing and installing flooring, built-in furnishings, kitchen fittings and appliances, etc. themselves.
While it would lower construction costs somewhat, since developers of build-to-rent places would no longer have to provide interior finishes, it wouldn’t really be compatible with Ireland’s current tenancy laws. Tenants wouldn’t be very keen on paying for all of that interior work when their landlord can effectively boot them out at any time. Usually the countries where that practice of renting a “grey box” property is common have much stronger tenant protections. And while tenants in build-to-rent properties do have a bit more security than those with private landlords (since their landlord isn’t going to sell the place out from under them to an owner-occupier or say they need to move in themselves), if the law is changed to allow properties to be rented unfinished, you know that existing private landlords here will be tearing out all the appliances and not bothering to paint or replace worn-out flooring or anything ever again since they’re now allowed to make that the responsibility of their tenants, and *they* can and will still boot their tenants out on a whim for the usual reasons. Hell, some would probably turn it into a business model; buy a derelict property, fix the structure and exterior, get a tenant in and make them finish the interior, then terminate the tenancy to sell the place and hope the tenant won’t tear out all those new finishings they installed just to spite you.
Sure, but people need choice. If they need a kitchen then they need a different place
A world of no to this.
This could work for buying, you could do things slowly to keep costs down. For renting I think it puts way too much of a cost burden on the renter to provide flooring, appliances and kitchen units upfront. A lot of people would go without to save money.
I work in construction. The amount of new builds here that get gutted and refurbished as soon as they’re sold is unbelievable wasteful.
If it ever comes in – Rent €2k, Mandatory rental of Kitchen & furnishings- €250 p/m.
LL – no the rent hasn’t gone up in a RPZ, it was always unfurnished.