“They have to protect me, housing is a need,” says Erick Nkomazana, a homeless international protection (IP) applicant.
Ya I hear you buddy , I don’t have a house either. They are 300k plus.
Numbers have doubled since March! What a fuckin shambles
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Why did he come all the way to Ireland if he was fleeing for his life? South Africa is right next door. The truth is Zimbabwe is a safe country of origin and he’s an economic migrant drawn by the reckless promise of own door accommodation made by Roderic O’Gorman and Helen McEntee’s ridiculous amnesty for illegal immigrants. The amount of Moroccans and Algerians here who lived and worked illegally in Britain for years now claiming “asylum” in Ireland is laughable. We have a broken immigration system and our borders are not being protected. Irish Times are a disgrace for not investigating these stories properly.
So is this just another crisis to throw on the list?
How the fuck did he get here from Zimbabwe? They’re hearing by word of mouth that Ireland is a “safe” place. Plenty of safe places between here and Zimbabwe. Hopefully word of mouth starts getting out that there’s no more room for welfare shopping cunts.
So he claims he’s been tortured, and that’s why he’s seeking asylum.
But South Africa is perfectly safe and a lot closer. He also speaks Spanish but not English.
And he comes to Ireland? Ah here, these economic migrants are getting more and more obvious. We need to turn these cunts back.
Why would someone come all the way to Ireland from Zimbabwe though? Zimbabwe is not at war or in the midst of political turmoil at the moment, and even if someone’s personal situation requires them to escape why would they bypass neighbouring countries and also bypass more economically prosperous countries in Europe especially since those countries have to comply with international protections too.
Is it due to poor research? Travelling all the way to Ireland is more expensive than travelling to nearer countries, many of which are richer than Ireland.
Stuff like this is how madmen get into power, when you have spineless parasites in power who are more concerned with pandering to the do gooders for the sake of their own career they let things like this happen, until it gets soo bad people start to snap. Then along comes some sweet talking charmer who has the solution to all our problems and then boom, we have a Hitler or Mussolini type madman at the helm and then shit really hits the fan.
Sure bring them all in why don’t we, it’s not like we have a housing crisis and a health system about it implode on itself. Or crippling inflation on already stressed out tax payers. 🤷
It’s simple, if you don’t like it here then piss off home.
we are all victim and suffering in all of these, the main culprit is the system, it just broken and must need an overhaul.
This could be the answer to all our housing problems.
A border patrol like in Oz is what’s required. But, come on lads this is Ireland. It’s not going to happen.
Crossed a lot of safe countries on his way here. I feel sorry for anyone who’s sleeping rough but I personally would never just turn up in a random country 1000s of miles from my home and expect to be given a roof over my head. Nothing in life is free
Zimbabwe is a well established country-of-origin for asylum claims in Ireland, it is generally one of the five main countries-of-origin, with Nigeria, Georgia, Albania and Pakistan. Ireland and the UK are the only two European countries to experience any noteworthy level of asylum claims from Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe borders South Africa and it is privately accepted by officials in the Department of Justice that visa-free travel for South African nationals facilitates Zimbabwean arrivals in Ireland through forged identity documents. Recognition rates for Zimbabweans are low, in 2019 the refusal rate for Zimbabwean asylum claimants in Ireland was 82%.
Presently the ESRI are reporting a decrease in Zimbabwean asylum claims in the UK and an increase in Zimbabwean asylum claims in Ireland. The UK reached a deportation agreement with Zimbabwe which, in addition to the fairly rigid approach adopted towards asylum by the Home Office, is probably a factor in the decrease in applications. This dynamic, however, has origins pre-dating Patel and Braverman as Home Secretary, in 2019 (January to June) Ireland received 187 asylum applications from Zimbabweans, the UK received 142, despite the historical relationship between the two. The contrast in 2022 (January to June) was impressive, Ireland received 572 asylum applications from Zimbabweans, the UK received only 35, meanwhile the remaining EU Member States received 135. Ireland is *the* destination for Zimbabwean asylum claimants.
Ye. When you don’t do research, you end up in shitty situations. Not surprisingly.
I’m not commenting on this specific article but I note there are many comments here saying that there are plenty of safe countries between X and Ireland. Aren’t all those commenters saying that Ireland should never accept any asylum seekers or refugees at all? We’re an island on the edge of Europe. We’re not going to get asylum seekers from Iceland or the Isle of Man, are we?
The truth is the vast majority of refugees in the world _are_ in countries that are next to or extremely close to their country of origin.
Sudan has been hosting 1.1m refugees, mostly from South Sudan. At the same time, even before the recent fighting broke out Chad hosted 400,000 Sudanese refugees just inside the border. Tens of thousands more have joined them in the last couple of weeks. Turkey hosts more than 3.5m refugees. Pakistan hosts 1.5m. Uganda hosts 1.5m. Poland hosts 1.2m. All but a handful of all of those are from neighbouring countries. I note this just to point out that, again, most refugees _do_ stay close to home. Which I understand those commenters think is the way things should be, but again: is Ireland supposed to never take a single refugee because we’re far away?
Wow… the lack of empathy for those in need is amazing. So quick to judge, labeling people.
An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living … you know, like Irish people going abroad?
The term ‘economic migrant’ has no legal definition. Migrants cannot be reduced to ‘economic migrants’ on the one hand and refugees on the other. All migrants have rights.
Pansy-ass complaint, really. You seem awful concerned about the problems of others, huh?
Ireland has a per capita GDP of US$107,000 (IMF, 2023), making it the second-richest country in Europe. Just under 190 people arrived in Ireland seeking asylum last week, down 40 per cent since mid-November and 48 per cent since the first week of this year.
But all these bunch of moaners are bitching about these people who are seeking refuge, need our help? Wow.
As my daddy used to say — nut up, or shut up.
If you haven’t lent a hand to someone in need, you don’t know what they have been through. This subreddit is turning into a real bastion of kindness ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Here’s your chance: volunteer some of your precious time to help out the 13,615 or so people who sought international protection in 2022… in a country of five million…
Feel free to join me at the GPO on Wednesdays, to hand out a hot meal.
Or… just keep bitchin about “wa wa the refugees are taking our tax money… blah blah”
EDIT: bigoted commenters with their b.s. responses — too cowardly to actually present, you know, facts.
My refugee friends taught me one can control what one thinks, how one feels, and how to grow — because they were not in control of their situation. However, instead of focusing on that, they focused on what they could control, such as their happiness, their emotions, and how they could grow themselves. That’s a lesson we all can benefit from.
I don’t go to foreign countries and expect free room and board.
Go back to Zimbabwe it’s safe and warm and your own country. Ireland doesn’t owe you anything.
Reading through this thread and it’s just so funny seeing the same 2 people desperately trying to convince everyone that they’re a bad person for daring to point out the glaringly obvious flaws with Ireland’s asylum system.
It’s very, very broken and refusing to accept that at best means you will have more people like this, living on the streets as there’s no provisions for them. At worst your inaction will eventually lead to potentially worse consequences politically and socially.
I appreciate people are trying to be kind but unlimited kindness is not a viable policy approach.
A couple of folks in here going hard in the virtue game. Really interesting that the majority of their (highly downvoted) responses are either attacks on other commenters, or idealistic thinking with no basis in reality. That’s the game though, play it well lads
You’d think Ireland, who in the past had millions of Irish people leave the country for better lives elsewhere and spread all over the world would be more sympathetic to immigrants arriving to Ireland looking for opportunity to better themselves
I always admired the Australian’s and how they manage border control/security. They take it seriously, as should every country.
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“They have to protect me, housing is a need,” says Erick Nkomazana, a homeless international protection (IP) applicant.
Ya I hear you buddy , I don’t have a house either. They are 300k plus.
Numbers have doubled since March! What a fuckin shambles
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Why did he come all the way to Ireland if he was fleeing for his life? South Africa is right next door. The truth is Zimbabwe is a safe country of origin and he’s an economic migrant drawn by the reckless promise of own door accommodation made by Roderic O’Gorman and Helen McEntee’s ridiculous amnesty for illegal immigrants. The amount of Moroccans and Algerians here who lived and worked illegally in Britain for years now claiming “asylum” in Ireland is laughable. We have a broken immigration system and our borders are not being protected. Irish Times are a disgrace for not investigating these stories properly.
So is this just another crisis to throw on the list?
How the fuck did he get here from Zimbabwe? They’re hearing by word of mouth that Ireland is a “safe” place. Plenty of safe places between here and Zimbabwe. Hopefully word of mouth starts getting out that there’s no more room for welfare shopping cunts.
So he claims he’s been tortured, and that’s why he’s seeking asylum.
But South Africa is perfectly safe and a lot closer. He also speaks Spanish but not English.
And he comes to Ireland? Ah here, these economic migrants are getting more and more obvious. We need to turn these cunts back.
Why would someone come all the way to Ireland from Zimbabwe though? Zimbabwe is not at war or in the midst of political turmoil at the moment, and even if someone’s personal situation requires them to escape why would they bypass neighbouring countries and also bypass more economically prosperous countries in Europe especially since those countries have to comply with international protections too.
Is it due to poor research? Travelling all the way to Ireland is more expensive than travelling to nearer countries, many of which are richer than Ireland.
Stuff like this is how madmen get into power, when you have spineless parasites in power who are more concerned with pandering to the do gooders for the sake of their own career they let things like this happen, until it gets soo bad people start to snap. Then along comes some sweet talking charmer who has the solution to all our problems and then boom, we have a Hitler or Mussolini type madman at the helm and then shit really hits the fan.
Sure bring them all in why don’t we, it’s not like we have a housing crisis and a health system about it implode on itself. Or crippling inflation on already stressed out tax payers. 🤷
It’s simple, if you don’t like it here then piss off home.
we are all victim and suffering in all of these, the main culprit is the system, it just broken and must need an overhaul.
This could be the answer to all our housing problems.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/zz353s/the_boxabl_folding_house_aprox_the_size_of_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
A border patrol like in Oz is what’s required. But, come on lads this is Ireland. It’s not going to happen.
Crossed a lot of safe countries on his way here. I feel sorry for anyone who’s sleeping rough but I personally would never just turn up in a random country 1000s of miles from my home and expect to be given a roof over my head. Nothing in life is free
Zimbabwe is a well established country-of-origin for asylum claims in Ireland, it is generally one of the five main countries-of-origin, with Nigeria, Georgia, Albania and Pakistan. Ireland and the UK are the only two European countries to experience any noteworthy level of asylum claims from Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe borders South Africa and it is privately accepted by officials in the Department of Justice that visa-free travel for South African nationals facilitates Zimbabwean arrivals in Ireland through forged identity documents. Recognition rates for Zimbabweans are low, in 2019 the refusal rate for Zimbabwean asylum claimants in Ireland was 82%.
Presently the ESRI are reporting a decrease in Zimbabwean asylum claims in the UK and an increase in Zimbabwean asylum claims in Ireland. The UK reached a deportation agreement with Zimbabwe which, in addition to the fairly rigid approach adopted towards asylum by the Home Office, is probably a factor in the decrease in applications. This dynamic, however, has origins pre-dating Patel and Braverman as Home Secretary, in 2019 (January to June) Ireland received 187 asylum applications from Zimbabweans, the UK received 142, despite the historical relationship between the two. The contrast in 2022 (January to June) was impressive, Ireland received 572 asylum applications from Zimbabweans, the UK received only 35, meanwhile the remaining EU Member States received 135. Ireland is *the* destination for Zimbabwean asylum claimants.
Ye. When you don’t do research, you end up in shitty situations. Not surprisingly.
I’m not commenting on this specific article but I note there are many comments here saying that there are plenty of safe countries between X and Ireland. Aren’t all those commenters saying that Ireland should never accept any asylum seekers or refugees at all? We’re an island on the edge of Europe. We’re not going to get asylum seekers from Iceland or the Isle of Man, are we?
The truth is the vast majority of refugees in the world _are_ in countries that are next to or extremely close to their country of origin.
Sudan has been hosting 1.1m refugees, mostly from South Sudan. At the same time, even before the recent fighting broke out Chad hosted 400,000 Sudanese refugees just inside the border. Tens of thousands more have joined them in the last couple of weeks. Turkey hosts more than 3.5m refugees. Pakistan hosts 1.5m. Uganda hosts 1.5m. Poland hosts 1.2m. All but a handful of all of those are from neighbouring countries. I note this just to point out that, again, most refugees _do_ stay close to home. Which I understand those commenters think is the way things should be, but again: is Ireland supposed to never take a single refugee because we’re far away?
Wow… the lack of empathy for those in need is amazing. So quick to judge, labeling people.
An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living … you know, like Irish people going abroad?
The term ‘economic migrant’ has no legal definition. Migrants cannot be reduced to ‘economic migrants’ on the one hand and refugees on the other. All migrants have rights.
Pansy-ass complaint, really. You seem awful concerned about the problems of others, huh?
Ireland has a per capita GDP of US$107,000 (IMF, 2023), making it the second-richest country in Europe. Just under 190 people arrived in Ireland seeking asylum last week, down 40 per cent since mid-November and 48 per cent since the first week of this year.
But all these bunch of moaners are bitching about these people who are seeking refuge, need our help? Wow.
As my daddy used to say — nut up, or shut up.
If you haven’t lent a hand to someone in need, you don’t know what they have been through. This subreddit is turning into a real bastion of kindness ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Here’s your chance: volunteer some of your precious time to help out the 13,615 or so people who sought international protection in 2022… in a country of five million…
Feel free to join me at the GPO on Wednesdays, to hand out a hot meal.
Or, sign up here https://www.volunteer.ie/find-a-volunteer-role/ or here https://www.i-vol.ie so you can get a bit of empathy in your sorry-ass lives.
Or… just keep bitchin about “wa wa the refugees are taking our tax money… blah blah”
EDIT: bigoted commenters with their b.s. responses — too cowardly to actually present, you know, facts.
My refugee friends taught me one can control what one thinks, how one feels, and how to grow — because they were not in control of their situation. However, instead of focusing on that, they focused on what they could control, such as their happiness, their emotions, and how they could grow themselves. That’s a lesson we all can benefit from.
I don’t go to foreign countries and expect free room and board.
Go back to Zimbabwe it’s safe and warm and your own country. Ireland doesn’t owe you anything.
Reading through this thread and it’s just so funny seeing the same 2 people desperately trying to convince everyone that they’re a bad person for daring to point out the glaringly obvious flaws with Ireland’s asylum system.
It’s very, very broken and refusing to accept that at best means you will have more people like this, living on the streets as there’s no provisions for them. At worst your inaction will eventually lead to potentially worse consequences politically and socially.
I appreciate people are trying to be kind but unlimited kindness is not a viable policy approach.
A couple of folks in here going hard in the virtue game. Really interesting that the majority of their (highly downvoted) responses are either attacks on other commenters, or idealistic thinking with no basis in reality. That’s the game though, play it well lads
You’d think Ireland, who in the past had millions of Irish people leave the country for better lives elsewhere and spread all over the world would be more sympathetic to immigrants arriving to Ireland looking for opportunity to better themselves
I always admired the Australian’s and how they manage border control/security. They take it seriously, as should every country.