Triestig, net nog met een collega er over gepraat.
“Ja, ik volg politiek niet echt, maar de papa vindt dat nen goeie”. Het kind heeft wel nog nooit nen euro aan belastingen betaald aan de Turkse regering.
Onbegrijpelijk. Zonder de expats was Erdogan al lang buiten gekieperd geweest.
Voting for an authoritarian who’s friendly with Putin? Seem like they have integrated nicely.
Dat die verkiezingen nog altijd massaal georganiseerd worden in Belgie lijkt me toch echt straf
Laatst op de radio gehoord: Interviewer: waarom stem je vanuit België? Turkse man: ja omdat dat mijn land is, ik hou daar enorm veel van en zal altijd Turkije in mijn hart hebben.
Al wat ik dan kan denken is, waarom woon je daar dan niet? En dit komt van iemand die op pvda stemt. Echt geen racistische mindset maar gewoon een compleet onbegrip waarom die mensen dan niet willen wonen in het land dat volgens hen zo fantastisch is?
I remember when i was still in “Hoge school” and an otherwise really nice classmate told me “it’s really weird, over here i vote left but in turkey i vote very right wing”
you can imagine my poker face at that information
I am deeply dissapointed in Turkish Diaspora in Belgium, as they enjoy the freedom and democracy here, but vote for the oppressors in Turkey. I had huge arguments with them here about how democracy and human rights are must have and goes hand to hand for development, yet the answer is always “Erdogan has charisma.”. That is it, I am done, I do not want to be Turk anymore, because majority sees me as asimilated, degenarete, not Turk. Yet here if I make a mistake, I am not Belg anymore but Turk. I don’t know, I guess I don’t belong anywhere.
I’m not surprised.
Years ago I saw an interview on TV with a Turkish family and their house was full of pictures of him and Turkish flags everywhere.
Dit laat weer eens zijn dat het helemaal fout gaat met de integratie in west-europa. Want niemand een ook maar een beetje de liberaal democratische denkwijze accepteert zou voor Erdogan stemmen.
The question is… Why again more Turkish Belgians compared to Turkish people living elsewhere? Why don’t people in Belgium get integrated better in a western mindset? Free money and no duties are not helping us here.. when will we start to force people to be more active on the labor market and force them to integrate better?
But are the Turkish in Belgium really voting for Erdogan? Or is the guy at the embassy better than in other countries at steering the voting count?
It’s not that Turkey is a champion at fair, transparent, and democratic elections.
Natuurlijk makkelijk als je zelf niet aan de lijve de gevolgen van zijn beleid moet voelen.
Gurbetciler (i.e. expatriates in Turkish) are looked down upon in mainland Turkey due to having a backward mentality (see r/Turkey for your reference).
Having a backward mentality explains why they vote for left parties in Belgium, and for a right party in Turkey. One of the other main explanations is that the local currency is at an all time low, so they go spend their strongly valued euro’s over there while the local population has a tough time making ends meet.
Its an disgrace. Dual citizenship should be banned!!!
And that’s actually really bad news as it reflects the state of Turkish citizens in Belgium
If you live in an other country you should not be able to vote for an other
Dat krijg je als 90% van de Turken hun roots heeft met het conservatieve platteland in Turkije.
Vind het wel hypocriet dat ze hier allerlei vrijheden en sociale zaken genieten die Erdogan in Turkije het volk niet geeft.
I remember seeing a huge flag of Erdogan that covered three floors in St Josse when I lived there
Remember, most of the Turkish immigrants and their descendants we have in Europe aren’t exactly highly educated expats…
Last elections my boring bumfuck village had this huge Erdoğan victory party. Like, I don’t understand so many Turks can still be so anti-Western values having profited off it their whole lives. It is to say, maybe those AKP Turks and VB Flemings here just rile each other up, which makes it all the more sad.
I had a kid once in class telling me how great he was, I asked if he was gonna do his military service or if he was gonna pay it off. Convo about how great he was died. I told him where we vacationed before and after him, everything went bankrupt because of his policies.
but yeah keep everyone pissed off at the Kurdish, that”s for sure your biggest problem atm.
we as belgians never welcomed them… still treat them as outsiders, as migrants, heck almost half of us vote for an openly racist party…
and each and every time we’re surprised that those migrants long for home, long for the place they left… cling to the old ways in stead of integrating in our society…
Obviously if Western medias supported Erdogan, those people would vote for the other candidate.
Neo-fascism seems very ‘in’ in Belgium right now, generally speaking.
FFS.
Als iemand met een Turks achtergrond; ik heb de pest aan iedereen die stemt op Erdoğan. Bende hypocrieten, stemmen hier links maar ginter rechts, ik krijg er het schijt van..
Ben al content dat hij het niet gehaald heeft in de eerste ronde en met Oğan er van tussen gaan hopelijk zijn stemmen naar de oppositie. Probleem is ook een beetje het feit dat de oppositiepartijen wat zwakjes zijn wat betreft politiek voeren met duidelijke feiten en argumenten en mensen proberen te overtuigen. Turken daar hebben graag iemand die wat luider is, met de vuist op tafel klopt en wat meer “bravado” heeft.
Duimen dat hij verliest bij de volgende stemming! Ik wil die mens veroordeeld zien worden en aan de strop hangen voor landverraad !
Judging based on the comments of people with a Turkish background here it seems that the Turkish diaspora in Belgium generally have quite a romantic idea of Turkey. That isn’t entirely surprising as a lot of them have their roots in poor rural regions of Anatolia, which are very different from (fairly liberal) urban areas like Istanbul or Izmir. They associate their heritage with the former than the latter.
I think Erdogan’s popularity among them might relate to this. They perceive Turkey as a place which is very different than the Western country they are living in. And as they cherish this ‘otherness’ as part of their identity while living here in Belgium, they actually want to keep their country of heritage different enough compared to the West. A mythical home which always will be familiar, even if they never live there. More ‘abstract’ topic such as economy or liberal democracy are less important to them. Hence Erdogan is their guy.
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Triestig, net nog met een collega er over gepraat.
“Ja, ik volg politiek niet echt, maar de papa vindt dat nen goeie”. Het kind heeft wel nog nooit nen euro aan belastingen betaald aan de Turkse regering.
Onbegrijpelijk. Zonder de expats was Erdogan al lang buiten gekieperd geweest.
Voting for an authoritarian who’s friendly with Putin? Seem like they have integrated nicely.
Dat die verkiezingen nog altijd massaal georganiseerd worden in Belgie lijkt me toch echt straf
Laatst op de radio gehoord: Interviewer: waarom stem je vanuit België? Turkse man: ja omdat dat mijn land is, ik hou daar enorm veel van en zal altijd Turkije in mijn hart hebben.
Al wat ik dan kan denken is, waarom woon je daar dan niet? En dit komt van iemand die op pvda stemt. Echt geen racistische mindset maar gewoon een compleet onbegrip waarom die mensen dan niet willen wonen in het land dat volgens hen zo fantastisch is?
I remember when i was still in “Hoge school” and an otherwise really nice classmate told me “it’s really weird, over here i vote left but in turkey i vote very right wing”
you can imagine my poker face at that information
I am deeply dissapointed in Turkish Diaspora in Belgium, as they enjoy the freedom and democracy here, but vote for the oppressors in Turkey. I had huge arguments with them here about how democracy and human rights are must have and goes hand to hand for development, yet the answer is always “Erdogan has charisma.”. That is it, I am done, I do not want to be Turk anymore, because majority sees me as asimilated, degenarete, not Turk. Yet here if I make a mistake, I am not Belg anymore but Turk. I don’t know, I guess I don’t belong anywhere.
I’m not surprised.
Years ago I saw an interview on TV with a Turkish family and their house was full of pictures of him and Turkish flags everywhere.
Dit laat weer eens zijn dat het helemaal fout gaat met de integratie in west-europa. Want niemand een ook maar een beetje de liberaal democratische denkwijze accepteert zou voor Erdogan stemmen.
The question is… Why again more Turkish Belgians compared to Turkish people living elsewhere? Why don’t people in Belgium get integrated better in a western mindset? Free money and no duties are not helping us here.. when will we start to force people to be more active on the labor market and force them to integrate better?
But are the Turkish in Belgium really voting for Erdogan? Or is the guy at the embassy better than in other countries at steering the voting count?
It’s not that Turkey is a champion at fair, transparent, and democratic elections.
Natuurlijk makkelijk als je zelf niet aan de lijve de gevolgen van zijn beleid moet voelen.
Gurbetciler (i.e. expatriates in Turkish) are looked down upon in mainland Turkey due to having a backward mentality (see r/Turkey for your reference).
Having a backward mentality explains why they vote for left parties in Belgium, and for a right party in Turkey. One of the other main explanations is that the local currency is at an all time low, so they go spend their strongly valued euro’s over there while the local population has a tough time making ends meet.
Its an disgrace. Dual citizenship should be banned!!!
And that’s actually really bad news as it reflects the state of Turkish citizens in Belgium
If you live in an other country you should not be able to vote for an other
Dat krijg je als 90% van de Turken hun roots heeft met het conservatieve platteland in Turkije.
Vind het wel hypocriet dat ze hier allerlei vrijheden en sociale zaken genieten die Erdogan in Turkije het volk niet geeft.
I remember seeing a huge flag of Erdogan that covered three floors in St Josse when I lived there
Remember, most of the Turkish immigrants and their descendants we have in Europe aren’t exactly highly educated expats…
Last elections my boring bumfuck village had this huge Erdoğan victory party. Like, I don’t understand so many Turks can still be so anti-Western values having profited off it their whole lives. It is to say, maybe those AKP Turks and VB Flemings here just rile each other up, which makes it all the more sad.
I had a kid once in class telling me how great he was, I asked if he was gonna do his military service or if he was gonna pay it off. Convo about how great he was died. I told him where we vacationed before and after him, everything went bankrupt because of his policies.
but yeah keep everyone pissed off at the Kurdish, that”s for sure your biggest problem atm.
we as belgians never welcomed them… still treat them as outsiders, as migrants, heck almost half of us vote for an openly racist party…
and each and every time we’re surprised that those migrants long for home, long for the place they left… cling to the old ways in stead of integrating in our society…
Obviously if Western medias supported Erdogan, those people would vote for the other candidate.
Neo-fascism seems very ‘in’ in Belgium right now, generally speaking.
FFS.
Als iemand met een Turks achtergrond; ik heb de pest aan iedereen die stemt op Erdoğan. Bende hypocrieten, stemmen hier links maar ginter rechts, ik krijg er het schijt van..
Ben al content dat hij het niet gehaald heeft in de eerste ronde en met Oğan er van tussen gaan hopelijk zijn stemmen naar de oppositie. Probleem is ook een beetje het feit dat de oppositiepartijen wat zwakjes zijn wat betreft politiek voeren met duidelijke feiten en argumenten en mensen proberen te overtuigen. Turken daar hebben graag iemand die wat luider is, met de vuist op tafel klopt en wat meer “bravado” heeft.
Duimen dat hij verliest bij de volgende stemming! Ik wil die mens veroordeeld zien worden en aan de strop hangen voor landverraad !
Judging based on the comments of people with a Turkish background here it seems that the Turkish diaspora in Belgium generally have quite a romantic idea of Turkey. That isn’t entirely surprising as a lot of them have their roots in poor rural regions of Anatolia, which are very different from (fairly liberal) urban areas like Istanbul or Izmir. They associate their heritage with the former than the latter.
I think Erdogan’s popularity among them might relate to this. They perceive Turkey as a place which is very different than the Western country they are living in. And as they cherish this ‘otherness’ as part of their identity while living here in Belgium, they actually want to keep their country of heritage different enough compared to the West. A mythical home which always will be familiar, even if they never live there. More ‘abstract’ topic such as economy or liberal democracy are less important to them. Hence Erdogan is their guy.
Good indicator of what we’re stuck with.
No shit, turkish community in belgium are scums