Source: Levada Center, the Europe and Russia poll from March 2021. Can’t post the link properly because ru-domain is blocked, so here’s the URL without the dot-ru thing:
With the growth of young people not happening in the western parts of Russia where everyone in the category has left for the West I’m pretty sure There is a geographic bias. With the Eastern parts of Russia feeling Asian.
The informational value of this poll is really questionable. In Russia (and much of eastern europe), “european” is associated with being wealthy, developed and democratic. Of course most people, especially younger ones, don’t consider Russia as equal with countries like Germany, France or Italy.
A much better question would be “do you want Russia to be a european country”.
Was this question for the Russian nationals or Russian ethic people group?
It’s quite the difference
So Peter the Great has failed after all? I’d say, that puts some context on Putins goal to imitate him.
Because they don’t share values with modern Europe. Physical phenotype doesn’t make them Europeans
I agree
You can indoctrinate any population with anything you want. That sad truth.
Russia is a slavic speaking orthodox majority country that started in Europe and expanded into Asia, so I think Russia is European, i dont understand why those in the comments don’t consider it European.
Well well well, something I agree on with Russians, would you look at that
Really big lose for Europe.
Despite the current russian leadership , I believe they are Europeans. For a long time they tried to be as European as possible and mostly advanced when they looked towards the west.
Too bad the whole “eurasian” ideology was pushed so much on them.
The question is quite ambiguous. By answering “no” they may either mean that they are greater than europe and thus are not europeans, or that Russia should be a part of the democratic European community, but now it is not because of the regime.
99.9% Europeans don’t consider Russia civilised country
The sentiment is mutual, my dear west Asians
Look, we’ll hapilly welcome the 23 % others and let those who consider themselves as an Asian tributary state of China miserably live their lives in peace.
It’s not surprising at all to me.
And it most likely has nothing to do with politics or “hate towards the west”.
With the influence and area of the EU growing, it more and more gets more synonymous with “Europe”. The younger you are, the less you make that distinction. And I’ve talked to Russians about exactly this. They are aware that they’re on the European continent of course, but “Europe” is primarily that place you need a Schengen visa for, and pay in Euro, when talking casually.
It’s literally the same pheomenon as a lot of Americans using “in Europe, they do…” and “in the EU, they do…” pretty much interchangeably, or call Euros “(the) European currency” – as can be easily seen here on Reddit.
And I bet if there was a follow-up question like “Do you consider Russia an Asian country”, even less people would have agreed. Because it’s not about continents.
What are they then?
I would say by now Europeans don’t see Russians as Europeans either
But…. it’s definetly not Asian, populationwise, economic wise, history wise
I love how a lot of people here borderline use “Asian” as an insult. Of course, Russia is a European nation culturally, as any other Slavic state but huge and traumatized to the core. The thing is, for me, as a person who grew up in free 00s, this is not even a question. Been to most European countries, studied with exchange students here and well, didn’t spot a lot of differences. But for people who’ve been fed that propaganda about “Europe homobad, they want to destroy us” things may look different. Also, don’t trust those government polls, they may just feed the isolation agenda “we’re not like them, we’re our own civilization, everyone is against us, we must unite and support our leader”. Because those numbers are ridiculous, it may look somehow credible only if they asked people in some remote rural areas or at a far-right meeting.
They be right
Man the world would be pretty cool if Russia just fell of the face of the earth
Good; I agree with them.
Russian here. I personally think this is a very poorly done poll.
First, you need to remember this is from 2021, so almost a year before the war.
Second, the question is very ambiguous. For example “Do you consider Russia to be a European country?” can be interpreted as Russia being European geographically, socially, alliance-wise (Russia is not part of the EU), aligned with the EU political regimes, and in a lot of other ways. The question can equally apply to modern-day Russia or to Russia in general.
Similarly, what does “being European” constitute? Ancestry? Values? Geographical place of living? A generalized historical idea?
Most importantly, it doesn’t take geography into account. 90% of Russia is very poor and under-developed. On the other hand, Moscow and St Petersburg are comparable to the richest cities in Europe.
Siege mentality.
Putin once said “we look like you, but we are not like you” 🤷🏻♂️
Sounds about right, 71% of Russia is in Asia, no?
Most of Russia isn’t in Europe though. It’s a transcontinental country; it has a land border with N Korea and a sea border with Japan and USA.
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Source: Levada Center, the Europe and Russia poll from March 2021. Can’t post the link properly because ru-domain is blocked, so here’s the URL without the dot-ru thing:
https://www.levada /en/2021/03/22/russia-and-europe/
If it only had a third question: “do you want to be?”
And they are correct
So over 25% do consider it part of Europe. Good to know.
Russians are pariahs. They will remain as pariahs for generations to come.
Apparently one of the few things I agree with 58% to 75% of the Russian population. That train ended in Bucha.
SYL
The feeling is mutual
Not something I expected but interesting to see.
I guess it is time for other Europeans to stop considering russians Europeans. This is actually something we can agree on with them.
There is this very good video from Vlad Vexler I think everyone should watch that goes well with this infograph:
https://youtu.be/V6UiEXrVrvg
With the growth of young people not happening in the western parts of Russia where everyone in the category has left for the West I’m pretty sure There is a geographic bias. With the Eastern parts of Russia feeling Asian.
The informational value of this poll is really questionable. In Russia (and much of eastern europe), “european” is associated with being wealthy, developed and democratic. Of course most people, especially younger ones, don’t consider Russia as equal with countries like Germany, France or Italy.
A much better question would be “do you want Russia to be a european country”.
Was this question for the Russian nationals or Russian ethic people group?
It’s quite the difference
So Peter the Great has failed after all? I’d say, that puts some context on Putins goal to imitate him.
Because they don’t share values with modern Europe. Physical phenotype doesn’t make them Europeans
I agree
You can indoctrinate any population with anything you want. That sad truth.
Russia is a slavic speaking orthodox majority country that started in Europe and expanded into Asia, so I think Russia is European, i dont understand why those in the comments don’t consider it European.
Well well well, something I agree on with Russians, would you look at that
Really big lose for Europe.
Despite the current russian leadership , I believe they are Europeans. For a long time they tried to be as European as possible and mostly advanced when they looked towards the west.
Too bad the whole “eurasian” ideology was pushed so much on them.
The question is quite ambiguous. By answering “no” they may either mean that they are greater than europe and thus are not europeans, or that Russia should be a part of the democratic European community, but now it is not because of the regime.
99.9% Europeans don’t consider Russia civilised country
The sentiment is mutual, my dear west Asians
Look, we’ll hapilly welcome the 23 % others and let those who consider themselves as an Asian tributary state of China miserably live their lives in peace.
It’s not surprising at all to me.
And it most likely has nothing to do with politics or “hate towards the west”.
With the influence and area of the EU growing, it more and more gets more synonymous with “Europe”. The younger you are, the less you make that distinction. And I’ve talked to Russians about exactly this. They are aware that they’re on the European continent of course, but “Europe” is primarily that place you need a Schengen visa for, and pay in Euro, when talking casually.
It’s literally the same pheomenon as a lot of Americans using “in Europe, they do…” and “in the EU, they do…” pretty much interchangeably, or call Euros “(the) European currency” – as can be easily seen here on Reddit.
And I bet if there was a follow-up question like “Do you consider Russia an Asian country”, even less people would have agreed. Because it’s not about continents.
What are they then?
I would say by now Europeans don’t see Russians as Europeans either
But…. it’s definetly not Asian, populationwise, economic wise, history wise
I love how a lot of people here borderline use “Asian” as an insult. Of course, Russia is a European nation culturally, as any other Slavic state but huge and traumatized to the core. The thing is, for me, as a person who grew up in free 00s, this is not even a question. Been to most European countries, studied with exchange students here and well, didn’t spot a lot of differences. But for people who’ve been fed that propaganda about “Europe homobad, they want to destroy us” things may look different. Also, don’t trust those government polls, they may just feed the isolation agenda “we’re not like them, we’re our own civilization, everyone is against us, we must unite and support our leader”. Because those numbers are ridiculous, it may look somehow credible only if they asked people in some remote rural areas or at a far-right meeting.
They be right
Man the world would be pretty cool if Russia just fell of the face of the earth
Good; I agree with them.
Russian here. I personally think this is a very poorly done poll.
First, you need to remember this is from 2021, so almost a year before the war.
Second, the question is very ambiguous. For example “Do you consider Russia to be a European country?” can be interpreted as Russia being European geographically, socially, alliance-wise (Russia is not part of the EU), aligned with the EU political regimes, and in a lot of other ways. The question can equally apply to modern-day Russia or to Russia in general.
Similarly, what does “being European” constitute? Ancestry? Values? Geographical place of living? A generalized historical idea?
Most importantly, it doesn’t take geography into account. 90% of Russia is very poor and under-developed. On the other hand, Moscow and St Petersburg are comparable to the richest cities in Europe.
Siege mentality.
Putin once said “we look like you, but we are not like you” 🤷🏻♂️
Sounds about right, 71% of Russia is in Asia, no?
Most of Russia isn’t in Europe though. It’s a transcontinental country; it has a land border with N Korea and a sea border with Japan and USA.