Amazing response to your earlier post. Kudos to you.
Good to know I’m in the west
Can I make a comment in the style of your original post and complain about the position of the line?
HoW cAn YoU sAy DeRbY iS wEsT!
West Side is da best!
In your previous map you’ve excluded Wales but here it is included. Did you do that just to balance London better?
Okay, I’ll ask the stupid question. Why is the line not vertical?
The original north/south map was only for England. If you excluded Wales, your east/west border would shift towards the east.
District level might be more accurate than county, looking at North Yorkshire in particular.
Why is Crawley of all places deserving of being named?!
If combining the previous map, showing the North / South divide, with the data in this map, the wonderful Malvern Hills, which until now were in the South West Midlands, are now in the North West of England. Marvellous.
Turns out Leeds is in the north east after all.
It shows just how lop-sided the country is, that the dividing line has been tilted for a neater result (for example, even Edinburgh is further west than Bristol).
That said, it’d be interesting to see a version with a vertical divider.
Now combine it with North, South, East and West.
OxFUHD in teH Waaest??!
Newcastle here, were not keeping the south thanks.
A bit more central this time. I suppose the eastern half really only has London, but the west has loads of moderately sized cities.
Why did I immediately think of the circle and district lines looking at this?
Ah, but it’s not actually ‘by population’ is it? It’s ‘by **county** population’, which is why we have the obvious anomaly of Leeds being designated as ‘West’ when it’s clearly further to the East of the notional boundary line than the East-designated Sheffield. (Still with me? Keep up, it’ll be on the test.)
All of which suggests that ‘by county’ is too gross/blunt a definition.
It’d therefore be extremely interesting to see the data re-cast at a finer grain, not necessarily right down to Output Area but perhaps at MSOA. (‘Ward’ would be only very slightly better in terms of grain, but that would take us closer to ‘Party politics’ territory and thus would probably cause the bantz to degenerate to a far less entertaining/enjoyable sort of tribalism than this and the North/South map have provided so far).
And then re-draw the trend line (ie the notional boundary line).
And then re-cast the North/South data and corresponding trend/boundary line…
…and then merge the two sets/maps together…
…aaaaand you’ve then given us the definitive NESW quadrant split…
…which would then put this subject to bed for ever, and so this sub could concentrate on the really important stuff like…oh, I dunno…Looking At Photos Of Americans’ English Breakfasts…
…which would mean that you’ve probably won the Internet [UK edition] and could thus retire on a gold-plated, defined-benefit, index-linked Reddit pension, and you’d be carried shoulder-high by a grateful, cheering nation, and the sky would be black with hats.
Might sound like a lot of work on the ‘puter, but the rewards are self-evident surely?
Pretty well balanced. I heard that in the Middle Ages, most of the population lived in East Anglia. Today that area is fairly remote.
So which town is closest to the centre of England? if you overlay both maps, which town is closest to where the lines cross?
Litchborough seems to be the nearest village.
Towcester the nearest market town.
Daventry and Northampton are the nearest towns.
Milton Keynes is the nearest city.
M1 map?!
I now live in Hampshire, pubs here don’t sell enough cider to be west. Typical cider menu is Strongbow (out of stock) and Rekorderlig (£6). That is all.
another stupid meaningless map
At some point, would this “border” have roughly correlated with lands under English control, versus lands under British control. Maybe around the late 6th century?
Wales: We’ll take Cornwall for historical reasons and we’ll take Oxford but if we got to take Birmingham the deals off.
I’m very interested to see how removing London from the equation affects these maps
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This map has been created in response to a comment by u/stotallytob3r on my map which divided England into [North and South, by population](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/13j68l8/englands_northsouth_divide_by_population/). This map aims to do the same, in the less considered direction.
Amazing response to your earlier post. Kudos to you.
Good to know I’m in the west
Can I make a comment in the style of your original post and complain about the position of the line?
HoW cAn YoU sAy DeRbY iS wEsT!
West Side is da best!
In your previous map you’ve excluded Wales but here it is included. Did you do that just to balance London better?
Okay, I’ll ask the stupid question. Why is the line not vertical?
The original north/south map was only for England. If you excluded Wales, your east/west border would shift towards the east.
District level might be more accurate than county, looking at North Yorkshire in particular.
Why is Crawley of all places deserving of being named?!
If combining the previous map, showing the North / South divide, with the data in this map, the wonderful Malvern Hills, which until now were in the South West Midlands, are now in the North West of England. Marvellous.
Turns out Leeds is in the north east after all.
It shows just how lop-sided the country is, that the dividing line has been tilted for a neater result (for example, even Edinburgh is further west than Bristol).
That said, it’d be interesting to see a version with a vertical divider.
Now combine it with North, South, East and West.
OxFUHD in teH Waaest??!
Newcastle here, were not keeping the south thanks.
A bit more central this time. I suppose the eastern half really only has London, but the west has loads of moderately sized cities.
Why did I immediately think of the circle and district lines looking at this?
Ah, but it’s not actually ‘by population’ is it? It’s ‘by **county** population’, which is why we have the obvious anomaly of Leeds being designated as ‘West’ when it’s clearly further to the East of the notional boundary line than the East-designated Sheffield. (Still with me? Keep up, it’ll be on the test.)
All of which suggests that ‘by county’ is too gross/blunt a definition.
It’d therefore be extremely interesting to see the data re-cast at a finer grain, not necessarily right down to Output Area but perhaps at MSOA. (‘Ward’ would be only very slightly better in terms of grain, but that would take us closer to ‘Party politics’ territory and thus would probably cause the bantz to degenerate to a far less entertaining/enjoyable sort of tribalism than this and the North/South map have provided so far).
And then re-draw the trend line (ie the notional boundary line).
And then re-cast the North/South data and corresponding trend/boundary line…
…and then merge the two sets/maps together…
…aaaaand you’ve then given us the definitive NESW quadrant split…
…which would then put this subject to bed for ever, and so this sub could concentrate on the really important stuff like…oh, I dunno…Looking At Photos Of Americans’ English Breakfasts…
…which would mean that you’ve probably won the Internet [UK edition] and could thus retire on a gold-plated, defined-benefit, index-linked Reddit pension, and you’d be carried shoulder-high by a grateful, cheering nation, and the sky would be black with hats.
Might sound like a lot of work on the ‘puter, but the rewards are self-evident surely?
Pretty well balanced. I heard that in the Middle Ages, most of the population lived in East Anglia. Today that area is fairly remote.
So which town is closest to the centre of England? if you overlay both maps, which town is closest to where the lines cross?
Litchborough seems to be the nearest village.
Towcester the nearest market town.
Daventry and Northampton are the nearest towns.
Milton Keynes is the nearest city.
M1 map?!
I now live in Hampshire, pubs here don’t sell enough cider to be west. Typical cider menu is Strongbow (out of stock) and Rekorderlig (£6). That is all.
another stupid meaningless map
At some point, would this “border” have roughly correlated with lands under English control, versus lands under British control. Maybe around the late 6th century?
Wales: We’ll take Cornwall for historical reasons and we’ll take Oxford but if we got to take Birmingham the deals off.
I’m very interested to see how removing London from the equation affects these maps
England and Wales by population
Not touching this with a barge pole!
West Staines Massive