>Speaking at the National Conservatism conference in Westminster on Monday, Rees-Mogg said: “Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections.
>“We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative.
>The former Tory cabinet minister added: “So we made it hard for our own voters and we upset a system that worked perfectly well.”
>*”Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, [as] we found by insisting on voter ID for elections”*
Honestly quite a wild example of saying the quiet thing out loud. It shows how brazen they’re getting in their Americanisation of the UK voting system.
What’s interesting to me is that there was a lot of apologia and handwringing around the idea that this was ‘gerrymandering’ (certainly in the comments of this sub) and a lot of discussions around a more fitting analogy, and then one of the people behind the changes is just this matter-of-fact about the whole thing.
Out of interest, does the UK have any specific laws against Gerrymandering?
I like the way he’s got no qualms about feeling upset that it stopped Tories voting more than Labour, when in fact any person attempting to appear a ‘right thinking person’ would obviously say it was wrong to deter anyone from legally voting (whether they actually thought that or not).
Has he actually lost touch with what is perceived as unreasonable?
He also just criticised increasing childcare support as a ‘fundamentally anti-conservative’ policy. Fucking ghoul of a human
The great thing is that most people turned away were Tory voting old people.
I doubt it was ‘old’ people as such who were mostly disadvantaged by the voter ID system, more likely people in the 50-65 age range since they probably didn’t have the use of the various OAP ID systems the Conservatives had allowed to be used.
Bit quite a large number of that age range are still voting Conservative, maybe the majority.
Doesn’t surprise me – most younger people tend to carry ID on them anyway as were more likely to be asked in the supermarket but a lot of older people don’t – such as my parents don’t.
If they got turned away for ID (we didn’t have elections) they wouldn’t bother going back to voting and they are Tory voters… they literally disenfranchised their own party
Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot
Well maybe voter ID is going to go then… even if for the wrong reasons that’s still a good thing.
Typical Tory self centred behaviour though. Engage in infighting and point scoring, meanwhile our country is going to hell. Like years of the Major government. Or even the Brexit vote- Cameron thought ‘sorting out’ Tory infighting was more important. It’s ALWAYS party before country with this lot. With other parties occasionally it’s not
I thought this would happen. My gran broke a nigh lifelong streak of voting Conservative because she didnt have the right ID.
Really scary they are admitting openly they tried to cheat the election and it was never about voter fraud…and the response from the media seems to be “unlucky, next time you will get it”
They don’t even respect the public enough to lie now
How thick can you be.
The government’s own report on voter ID showed that the majority of those who lacked any were older people.
Stupid idiot wanted to cheat and deny people the right to vote and now he regrets it because it backfired, not because it was evil.
He can call it gerrymandering if he wants to however at it’s core it is and always be voter suppression just their way of newspeak for you
Also how did he do in recent polls, could he be shaking in his seat?
> Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the Conservatives introduced voter ID to boost their election chances, but it came “back to bite them”.
Of course it came back to bite them. I was actually low-key hoping that the Tories would be stupid enough to *try* and push this through.
What the Conservatives seem to forget is that younger generations normalized carrying ID at all times. If you want to buy a violent computer game, watch a violent/raunchy film at a cinema, buy a pint or even enter a nightclub, you ***need*** ID.
A provisional driving licence costs £35 to apply for and you can obtain one from 17. It’s also a helluva lot more convenient to carry a licence around than a full-blown passport.
It’s the older generations (as in the boomers who actually vote Tory out of their own selfish interests) that are more likely to not bring ID and pull the whole “I demand to speak to your fucking manager” crap.
So the Tories admit they were trying to disenfranchise a section of the electorate?
Surely that breaks some rules or maybe laws?
How is this ok?
How are we just letting this slide? Any sane group of people would be rioting in the streets to get these now self-admitted fascists out of our government.
And once again he proves he has a third rate mind hiding behind an upper class accent. This isn’t gerrymandering, it’s blatant voter suppression under the guise of a non existent problem!
The thing he describes Labour as doing, increasing eligibility, isn’t “gerrymandering”. Gerrymandering is strictly geographic. I’d expect a politician to know that. Even a poor one.
When the vilest person you know makes a decent point.
Verily, the nefarious practice of gerrymandering doth reveal itself as an iniquitous stratagem, besmirching the noble principles of fairness and justice.
This man is a cunt. And the party he represents are cunts. And the people who vote for him are cunts too.
Absolute scammer. And a cunt.
Let’s just say it *moved* Jacob…
TO A BIGGER HOUSE!
It’s a piss-poor excuse for their local election results and nothing more. It’s easy to blame the thing everyone else knew was bullshit for backfiring rather than admit to the people who, for some strange fucking reason are still voting for them, that it’s because the rest of the country are waking up to them driving the country in to the ground.
“It must have been because old people couldn’t vote, definitely can’t be because people are sick of being robbed blind by us, no sir.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah eat shit Rees-Mogg, you cunt
We need Tory ID one Tory vote per 5 other votes and if you don’t overpay tax no voting rights.
Whether or not you think demanding ID was a way to manipulate voters, or whether you think it’s a good idea or not… here Jacob Rees-Mogg has openly admitted it was an attempt to manipulate the outcome.
That should quite frankly disgust everyone. That is how the Tories see government – not a role to help us, the public, but instead their “prize” to hold on to. You’re not someone they’re interested in helping, but someone to be bought and manipulated for their purposes.
You could argue “it was ever thus” but for JRM to make such a naked admission, without thinking it could come back and bite him in his bony arse, should also speak volumes.
Meanwhile, the relevent overton window is still 9000 miles from squarely framing the, ‘proportionally representative national government for national issues elected from a single, national zone’ ideal, then.
I mean to whom is this revelation aimed? Ofc its fucking Gerrymandered; the entire thing is a *pantomime* top to bottom.
We are so far removed from meaningful deployment of *democracy* that the word shouldn’t be dangled anywhere near the status quo. It’s a fucking lie.
*Checks to see if we have another unelected prime minister since the last one during the course of writing this snarky shite; checks to see if we still have a monarchy and its supporters trying to hide its utterly theist (and therefor PERFECTLY anti-democratic) foundation.*
Not gerrymandering it was voter suppression gerrymandering is redrawing constituency lines to gain a more favourable voter pool in the case of the Tories that’ll be older people
He ‘s calling it gerrymandering because they’ve also changed the voting boundaries,which is gerrymandering.
It makes interesting reading when you see who loses their seats(Diane Abbott,Jeremy Corbyn to name two).
For a long time it’s been a common express among Anarchist types that “If voting changed anything they’d make it illegal.” And really, stuff like this show that they kind of are.
What does a 18 year old want with id? Not like there are age limits restricting sales of say, idk, alcohol and other things…
Genuinly, cant think what coffin dodgers would need id for
Only because it harmed his demographic. He was quite explicit about that.
Man’s a disingenuous buffoon
This happened towards the end of the last conservative government. They just got so used to being in power, and so out of touch with reality, that they started talking and acting like they had a god given right to rule and the idea of another party winning an election was completely unthinkable. Then they got crushed.
This was spotted and absolutely called out by first minister Mark Drakeford when Welsh conservatives attacked him for not implementing a similar scheme.
As someone who will likely vote Labour in the next election, this actually seems to benefit me more than the Tories (although I’d suggest it was less the voter ID and more a sign of just how unpopular they are). However, this HAS to be called out by Labour. Not only called out but used to beat them over the head with for the next month and to call for resignations. In fact hell – I don’t even know why they should resign – for this they should be removed. This should be criminal. No matter what side you are on or who this benefits, defending a government who has openly admitted to voter suppression is beyond insanity. You are literally voting to turn the UK into an autocracy.
So, he admits that it was gerrymandering. Quiet part loud. Should be more of a scandal.
Their scum bag grift was soo bad they had to come clean? Bunch of absolute POS!
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The comments in question:
>Speaking at the National Conservatism conference in Westminster on Monday, Rees-Mogg said: “Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections.
>“We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative.
>The former Tory cabinet minister added: “So we made it hard for our own voters and we upset a system that worked perfectly well.”
>*”Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, [as] we found by insisting on voter ID for elections”*
Honestly quite a wild example of saying the quiet thing out loud. It shows how brazen they’re getting in their Americanisation of the UK voting system.
What’s interesting to me is that there was a lot of apologia and handwringing around the idea that this was ‘gerrymandering’ (certainly in the comments of this sub) and a lot of discussions around a more fitting analogy, and then one of the people behind the changes is just this matter-of-fact about the whole thing.
Out of interest, does the UK have any specific laws against Gerrymandering?
I like the way he’s got no qualms about feeling upset that it stopped Tories voting more than Labour, when in fact any person attempting to appear a ‘right thinking person’ would obviously say it was wrong to deter anyone from legally voting (whether they actually thought that or not).
Has he actually lost touch with what is perceived as unreasonable?
He also just criticised increasing childcare support as a ‘fundamentally anti-conservative’ policy. Fucking ghoul of a human
The great thing is that most people turned away were Tory voting old people.
I doubt it was ‘old’ people as such who were mostly disadvantaged by the voter ID system, more likely people in the 50-65 age range since they probably didn’t have the use of the various OAP ID systems the Conservatives had allowed to be used.
Bit quite a large number of that age range are still voting Conservative, maybe the majority.
Doesn’t surprise me – most younger people tend to carry ID on them anyway as were more likely to be asked in the supermarket but a lot of older people don’t – such as my parents don’t.
If they got turned away for ID (we didn’t have elections) they wouldn’t bother going back to voting and they are Tory voters… they literally disenfranchised their own party
Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot
Well maybe voter ID is going to go then… even if for the wrong reasons that’s still a good thing.
Typical Tory self centred behaviour though. Engage in infighting and point scoring, meanwhile our country is going to hell. Like years of the Major government. Or even the Brexit vote- Cameron thought ‘sorting out’ Tory infighting was more important. It’s ALWAYS party before country with this lot. With other parties occasionally it’s not
I thought this would happen. My gran broke a nigh lifelong streak of voting Conservative because she didnt have the right ID.
Really scary they are admitting openly they tried to cheat the election and it was never about voter fraud…and the response from the media seems to be “unlucky, next time you will get it”
They don’t even respect the public enough to lie now
How thick can you be.
The government’s own report on voter ID showed that the majority of those who lacked any were older people.
Stupid idiot wanted to cheat and deny people the right to vote and now he regrets it because it backfired, not because it was evil.
He can call it gerrymandering if he wants to however at it’s core it is and always be voter suppression just their way of newspeak for you
Also how did he do in recent polls, could he be shaking in his seat?
> Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the Conservatives introduced voter ID to boost their election chances, but it came “back to bite them”.
Of course it came back to bite them. I was actually low-key hoping that the Tories would be stupid enough to *try* and push this through.
What the Conservatives seem to forget is that younger generations normalized carrying ID at all times. If you want to buy a violent computer game, watch a violent/raunchy film at a cinema, buy a pint or even enter a nightclub, you ***need*** ID.
A provisional driving licence costs £35 to apply for and you can obtain one from 17. It’s also a helluva lot more convenient to carry a licence around than a full-blown passport.
It’s the older generations (as in the boomers who actually vote Tory out of their own selfish interests) that are more likely to not bring ID and pull the whole “I demand to speak to your fucking manager” crap.
So the Tories admit they were trying to disenfranchise a section of the electorate?
Surely that breaks some rules or maybe laws?
How is this ok?
How are we just letting this slide? Any sane group of people would be rioting in the streets to get these now self-admitted fascists out of our government.
And once again he proves he has a third rate mind hiding behind an upper class accent. This isn’t gerrymandering, it’s blatant voter suppression under the guise of a non existent problem!
The thing he describes Labour as doing, increasing eligibility, isn’t “gerrymandering”. Gerrymandering is strictly geographic. I’d expect a politician to know that. Even a poor one.
When the vilest person you know makes a decent point.
Verily, the nefarious practice of gerrymandering doth reveal itself as an iniquitous stratagem, besmirching the noble principles of fairness and justice.
This man is a cunt. And the party he represents are cunts. And the people who vote for him are cunts too.
Absolute scammer. And a cunt.
Let’s just say it *moved* Jacob…
TO A BIGGER HOUSE!
It’s a piss-poor excuse for their local election results and nothing more. It’s easy to blame the thing everyone else knew was bullshit for backfiring rather than admit to the people who, for some strange fucking reason are still voting for them, that it’s because the rest of the country are waking up to them driving the country in to the ground.
“It must have been because old people couldn’t vote, definitely can’t be because people are sick of being robbed blind by us, no sir.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah eat shit Rees-Mogg, you cunt
We need Tory ID one Tory vote per 5 other votes and if you don’t overpay tax no voting rights.
Whether or not you think demanding ID was a way to manipulate voters, or whether you think it’s a good idea or not… here Jacob Rees-Mogg has openly admitted it was an attempt to manipulate the outcome.
That should quite frankly disgust everyone. That is how the Tories see government – not a role to help us, the public, but instead their “prize” to hold on to. You’re not someone they’re interested in helping, but someone to be bought and manipulated for their purposes.
You could argue “it was ever thus” but for JRM to make such a naked admission, without thinking it could come back and bite him in his bony arse, should also speak volumes.
Meanwhile, the relevent overton window is still 9000 miles from squarely framing the, ‘proportionally representative national government for national issues elected from a single, national zone’ ideal, then.
I mean to whom is this revelation aimed? Ofc its fucking Gerrymandered; the entire thing is a *pantomime* top to bottom.
We are so far removed from meaningful deployment of *democracy* that the word shouldn’t be dangled anywhere near the status quo. It’s a fucking lie.
*Checks to see if we have another unelected prime minister since the last one during the course of writing this snarky shite; checks to see if we still have a monarchy and its supporters trying to hide its utterly theist (and therefor PERFECTLY anti-democratic) foundation.*
Not gerrymandering it was voter suppression gerrymandering is redrawing constituency lines to gain a more favourable voter pool in the case of the Tories that’ll be older people
He ‘s calling it gerrymandering because they’ve also changed the voting boundaries,which is gerrymandering.
It makes interesting reading when you see who loses their seats(Diane Abbott,Jeremy Corbyn to name two).
For a long time it’s been a common express among Anarchist types that “If voting changed anything they’d make it illegal.” And really, stuff like this show that they kind of are.
What does a 18 year old want with id? Not like there are age limits restricting sales of say, idk, alcohol and other things…
Genuinly, cant think what coffin dodgers would need id for
Only because it harmed his demographic. He was quite explicit about that.
Man’s a disingenuous buffoon
This happened towards the end of the last conservative government. They just got so used to being in power, and so out of touch with reality, that they started talking and acting like they had a god given right to rule and the idea of another party winning an election was completely unthinkable. Then they got crushed.
This was spotted and absolutely called out by first minister Mark Drakeford when Welsh conservatives attacked him for not implementing a similar scheme.
As someone who will likely vote Labour in the next election, this actually seems to benefit me more than the Tories (although I’d suggest it was less the voter ID and more a sign of just how unpopular they are). However, this HAS to be called out by Labour. Not only called out but used to beat them over the head with for the next month and to call for resignations. In fact hell – I don’t even know why they should resign – for this they should be removed. This should be criminal. No matter what side you are on or who this benefits, defending a government who has openly admitted to voter suppression is beyond insanity. You are literally voting to turn the UK into an autocracy.
So, he admits that it was gerrymandering. Quiet part loud. Should be more of a scandal.
Their scum bag grift was soo bad they had to come clean? Bunch of absolute POS!