Not a secret though. I’m not in the military and I’ve known about this for years.
It’s just the latest attempt to keep a conversation about buying weapons current.
A FF/FG connected, arms lobbiest is push gov hard to buy so public money can transfer to private hands.
Well this was wrote by a clueless idiot, we all knew this deal was in place, it wasn’t a secret and was reported on widely when those Russian planes where coming into Irish airspace off the west coast a few years ago, the actual finer details of the agreement are being sough now but it’s was never an open secret among pilots.
That’s not how secrets work.
Russia wouldn’t offer the UK or Ireland missiles from a bomber they will come from the submarines and the silos so it’s pointless really
We have no defence for that we just have the insurance that we have guaranteed the Russians we will destroy them if they even attempt to open a silo or fire something towards us
There are many smaller and poorer countries with significantly better defence capabilities than us. It’s about time that Ireland pulled up its pants. There is no good reason to have zero defense apart from asking for trouble.
I’d say let the brits bank roll it all, unless they want to give back the portion of land currently occupied by them.
Seems fair in my eyes, you want to own it, pay for it’s defense.
Asking Ireland to do so seems underhanded, manipulative and out right wrong.
Guess the *”do you want to buy some fighter jets”* is taking an interesting turn the past year.
When and or things kick of with China, they will be needing manpower at first am sure it will start voluntarily but as time goes on am sure laws will be passed to make it not the case.
Those that scream for war are very often not those who fight it, as they sit in their seats of power, control and status.
So fuck off.
Any of these systems or deterrents people get excited over only work if the other party believes you might use them.
Otherwise its just expensive theatre and mickey waving.
Even if we had a dozen fighters or a Patriot missile battery, we would never fire on a suspicious craft as it would be the last thing we would do. We would have no capacity to engage the response from a much larger adversary regardless of the spend.
An alliance with a better equipped, larger country makes sense on many levels however some might find their pride hurt.
Like the cta there probably just no treaty governing it’s operation, so it’s impossible to define what is an adhoc arrangement.
It would make more sense to have a few french/Spanish planes based at Shannon for patrol of our eu flank.
Can we all stop pretending that we’re neutral? Irish people made up the term “militarily neutral” since the actual legal definition doesn’t apply to us (you also need to be diplomatically neutral).
But now we can’t even claim that. It’s farcical to claim to be militarily neutral with a 70 year old defence agreement in place.
“Let us control your police, government and media and we’ll happily claim your airspace too”.
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Not a secret though. I’m not in the military and I’ve known about this for years.
It’s just the latest attempt to keep a conversation about buying weapons current.
A FF/FG connected, arms lobbiest is push gov hard to buy so public money can transfer to private hands.
Well this was wrote by a clueless idiot, we all knew this deal was in place, it wasn’t a secret and was reported on widely when those Russian planes where coming into Irish airspace off the west coast a few years ago, the actual finer details of the agreement are being sough now but it’s was never an open secret among pilots.
That’s not how secrets work.
Russia wouldn’t offer the UK or Ireland missiles from a bomber they will come from the submarines and the silos so it’s pointless really
We have no defence for that we just have the insurance that we have guaranteed the Russians we will destroy them if they even attempt to open a silo or fire something towards us
There are many smaller and poorer countries with significantly better defence capabilities than us. It’s about time that Ireland pulled up its pants. There is no good reason to have zero defense apart from asking for trouble.
I’d say let the brits bank roll it all, unless they want to give back the portion of land currently occupied by them.
Seems fair in my eyes, you want to own it, pay for it’s defense.
Asking Ireland to do so seems underhanded, manipulative and out right wrong.
Guess the *”do you want to buy some fighter jets”* is taking an interesting turn the past year.
When and or things kick of with China, they will be needing manpower at first am sure it will start voluntarily but as time goes on am sure laws will be passed to make it not the case.
Those that scream for war are very often not those who fight it, as they sit in their seats of power, control and status.
So fuck off.
Any of these systems or deterrents people get excited over only work if the other party believes you might use them.
Otherwise its just expensive theatre and mickey waving.
Even if we had a dozen fighters or a Patriot missile battery, we would never fire on a suspicious craft as it would be the last thing we would do. We would have no capacity to engage the response from a much larger adversary regardless of the spend.
An alliance with a better equipped, larger country makes sense on many levels however some might find their pride hurt.
Like the cta there probably just no treaty governing it’s operation, so it’s impossible to define what is an adhoc arrangement.
It would make more sense to have a few french/Spanish planes based at Shannon for patrol of our eu flank.
Can we all stop pretending that we’re neutral? Irish people made up the term “militarily neutral” since the actual legal definition doesn’t apply to us (you also need to be diplomatically neutral).
But now we can’t even claim that. It’s farcical to claim to be militarily neutral with a 70 year old defence agreement in place.
“Let us control your police, government and media and we’ll happily claim your airspace too”.
> **’secret deal’**
lol