Hello everyone, i gone to theyr website to check theyr sources, there is a yt vid from 2018 and a 76 pages pdf from 2011 about BBC betrayal… those old dated informations are enough to me to consider those arguments as obsolete, but maybe someone have a more recent source to support thes informations. Are we really greenwashed over co2 since 20 years ? What you think ?
No you cant trust them, throw it away.
Ooh, right wing BS. There are hunderts of studies that proof that co2, especially the man mad one the main driver of climate change is. And maybe 5 that says otherwise.
But you do you. Trust science or a flyer from right wing conspiracy theorists
Emergency toilet paper is the only thing this joke would be in any way useful
Can we trust flatearthers????
If you read the text it should be obvious that this is BS. It’s a mix of conspiracy and lying.. What has you even wondering that this is legit?
They write this stuff in the paper or pamphlets as what they always put in your briefkasten, not knowing themselves by doing this, they have already added to the damage of what they call climate change etc… i think this is not just right!
Right-wing fear-jerking, using climate as a scapegoat. They are the ones who work to dismantle the middle class. Not climate-protection.
I got the same bs today. I wouldn’t believe it for a second.
Mostly no, a little bit yes. There could be poor people that end up with a higher energy bill (especially those living in houses owned by people that never renovate).
It’s mostly a law that helps subsidies new environmentally friendly heating systems and supports innovative companies in their endeavours.
It doesn’t prohibit anything.
The real argument against it is, that it is only a piece of paper with the goal climate neutral by 2050 wtitten on it. It doesn’t include investments into renewables, taxes on NR or budget for compensation. Its main effect will be to make it cheaper for home owners to replace old heating, which they might or might not take into account in rent hikes.
Still i’ll be voting yes
Yes you can trust this… for being a good fire starter.
This some of the most bullshit things I’ve read in recent months.
You don’t need to be an environmental scientist to see that climate change is real I have worked in forestry and you can see that the nature is suffering under it. For everyone interested I’d suggest to get some reading about the “Borkenkäfer” and the damage it does. Also climate change isn’t just about warmer temperatures, we get more extreme weather in any season.
The medieval warm period probably didn’t exist. It was more like the end of an about 2000 year long very stable climate before the temperatures dropped into the “little ice age” in the year 1100. People likely took notice when temperatures in some areas dropped by like half a degree over the lifetime of a single person between 1100 and 1200, and some old people talked about how harsh winters used to be significantly rarer in their youth.
Meanwhile climate change is like 1.5 degrees already in the global average, with local deviations going almost to 3 degrees.
XKCD has an impressive visualization about past climate changes and how they compare to the current one: https://xkcd.com/1732/
No, this is SVP propaganda.
Got the same shit. Really anniying
It’s a list of typical SVP conspiracy theories. They could at least be honest and sign it.
*yawn* dear lord, give us our daily dose of right-wing lies…
This pamphlet says that climate science is fake & alarmist and that they exaggerate.
Reality is: what we can measure today on our planet is already worse than what IPCC models predicted.
So in fact climate science hasn’t even been alarmist enough. They underestimated the situation.
Those people who print such bullshit pamphlets today are the same people who 10 years ago said that there is no raise in temperature and that in fact the climate is getting colder and colder. Now most of them have dropped that theory because even diehard idiots don’t believe it anymore (for obvious reasons)… so now they came up with the new lie: “well, ok, maybe temperature gets warmer and not colder but it’s not man-made and it’s actually a good thing”.
Soon they’ll probably also drop the “it’s actually a good thing” part (again, for obvious reasons) but they’ll come up with some new nonsense about why we shouldn’t do anything about it. Probably because droughts are god’s will or something like this.
I will vote yes just on principle if it offends the antivax pro-russian climate deniers.
No. It’s dishonest climate denier BS.
There are legitimate arguments against the law. That man made climate change isn’t real is not one of them.
As many have pointed it‘s not true.
If you are interested have a look at strom.ch
It‘s a informational website based on a very big and recent study done in large part by EMPA.
They show that for the scenario with the lowest energy cost projection is the one with lots of investment in renewables and strong integration in the european energy grid.
Pretty much all arguments for voting no are either very cherry picked without proper context or flat out lies.
I dont like this flyer but everything will cost more yes absolut you will pay more rent you will pay more for food. The rest of this flyer is blabla and dont help at all.
They are straight up lying. The statement that human produced CO2 can not be measured is laughable.
Duh! Yes we are producing CO2. How ignorant can someone be?
No idea, went straight to the trash 🚮
No!
It’s legit BS
Not sure on what level you mean “trust”? It’s a legit political opinion so if you wanna know if a political party in Switzerland would support (partly) these positions? Yes.
Should you accept what they write down? No, because as with every political question you can twist almost anything to make you look your way, doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong.
As usual, the truth is in the middle.
Human activity, especially in recent decades has had an impact on climate, but while not entirely insignificant, it isnt the main cause. Climate change is a normal process of our planet.
Not only that , for major corporations, the “climate activist” shtick is mostly a massive method for greenwashing money.
And all political parties use it to gain votes. None of them really give af. Until people die, no one will really care.
Do whatever you think is right, dont listen to anyone else.
Honestly if you trusted this, you were probably already gonna vote no. And if you’ve got a single brain cell, you would never trust this, so you’d vote yes.
Had the french version, it’s full of fallacies and lacks citations and data. Just gibberish you’d hear from conservatives in a bar
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Hello everyone, i gone to theyr website to check theyr sources, there is a yt vid from 2018 and a 76 pages pdf from 2011 about BBC betrayal… those old dated informations are enough to me to consider those arguments as obsolete, but maybe someone have a more recent source to support thes informations. Are we really greenwashed over co2 since 20 years ? What you think ?
No you cant trust them, throw it away.
Ooh, right wing BS. There are hunderts of studies that proof that co2, especially the man mad one the main driver of climate change is. And maybe 5 that says otherwise.
But you do you. Trust science or a flyer from right wing conspiracy theorists
Emergency toilet paper is the only thing this joke would be in any way useful
Can we trust flatearthers????
If you read the text it should be obvious that this is BS. It’s a mix of conspiracy and lying.. What has you even wondering that this is legit?
They write this stuff in the paper or pamphlets as what they always put in your briefkasten, not knowing themselves by doing this, they have already added to the damage of what they call climate change etc… i think this is not just right!
Right-wing fear-jerking, using climate as a scapegoat. They are the ones who work to dismantle the middle class. Not climate-protection.
I got the same bs today. I wouldn’t believe it for a second.
Mostly no, a little bit yes. There could be poor people that end up with a higher energy bill (especially those living in houses owned by people that never renovate).
It’s mostly a law that helps subsidies new environmentally friendly heating systems and supports innovative companies in their endeavours.
It doesn’t prohibit anything.
The real argument against it is, that it is only a piece of paper with the goal climate neutral by 2050 wtitten on it. It doesn’t include investments into renewables, taxes on NR or budget for compensation. Its main effect will be to make it cheaper for home owners to replace old heating, which they might or might not take into account in rent hikes.
Still i’ll be voting yes
Yes you can trust this… for being a good fire starter.
This some of the most bullshit things I’ve read in recent months.
You don’t need to be an environmental scientist to see that climate change is real I have worked in forestry and you can see that the nature is suffering under it. For everyone interested I’d suggest to get some reading about the “Borkenkäfer” and the damage it does. Also climate change isn’t just about warmer temperatures, we get more extreme weather in any season.
The medieval warm period probably didn’t exist. It was more like the end of an about 2000 year long very stable climate before the temperatures dropped into the “little ice age” in the year 1100. People likely took notice when temperatures in some areas dropped by like half a degree over the lifetime of a single person between 1100 and 1200, and some old people talked about how harsh winters used to be significantly rarer in their youth.
Meanwhile climate change is like 1.5 degrees already in the global average, with local deviations going almost to 3 degrees.
XKCD has an impressive visualization about past climate changes and how they compare to the current one: https://xkcd.com/1732/
No, this is SVP propaganda.
Got the same shit. Really anniying
It’s a list of typical SVP conspiracy theories. They could at least be honest and sign it.
*yawn* dear lord, give us our daily dose of right-wing lies…
This pamphlet says that climate science is fake & alarmist and that they exaggerate.
Reality is: what we can measure today on our planet is already worse than what IPCC models predicted.
So in fact climate science hasn’t even been alarmist enough. They underestimated the situation.
Those people who print such bullshit pamphlets today are the same people who 10 years ago said that there is no raise in temperature and that in fact the climate is getting colder and colder. Now most of them have dropped that theory because even diehard idiots don’t believe it anymore (for obvious reasons)… so now they came up with the new lie: “well, ok, maybe temperature gets warmer and not colder but it’s not man-made and it’s actually a good thing”.
Soon they’ll probably also drop the “it’s actually a good thing” part (again, for obvious reasons) but they’ll come up with some new nonsense about why we shouldn’t do anything about it. Probably because droughts are god’s will or something like this.
I will vote yes just on principle if it offends the antivax pro-russian climate deniers.
No. It’s dishonest climate denier BS.
There are legitimate arguments against the law. That man made climate change isn’t real is not one of them.
As many have pointed it‘s not true.
If you are interested have a look at strom.ch
It‘s a informational website based on a very big and recent study done in large part by EMPA.
They show that for the scenario with the lowest energy cost projection is the one with lots of investment in renewables and strong integration in the european energy grid.
Pretty much all arguments for voting no are either very cherry picked without proper context or flat out lies.
I dont like this flyer but everything will cost more yes absolut you will pay more rent you will pay more for food. The rest of this flyer is blabla and dont help at all.
They are straight up lying. The statement that human produced CO2 can not be measured is laughable.
Duh! Yes we are producing CO2. How ignorant can someone be?
No idea, went straight to the trash 🚮
No!
It’s legit BS
Not sure on what level you mean “trust”? It’s a legit political opinion so if you wanna know if a political party in Switzerland would support (partly) these positions? Yes.
Should you accept what they write down? No, because as with every political question you can twist almost anything to make you look your way, doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong.
As usual, the truth is in the middle.
Human activity, especially in recent decades has had an impact on climate, but while not entirely insignificant, it isnt the main cause. Climate change is a normal process of our planet.
Not only that , for major corporations, the “climate activist” shtick is mostly a massive method for greenwashing money.
And all political parties use it to gain votes. None of them really give af. Until people die, no one will really care.
Do whatever you think is right, dont listen to anyone else.
Honestly if you trusted this, you were probably already gonna vote no. And if you’ve got a single brain cell, you would never trust this, so you’d vote yes.
Had the french version, it’s full of fallacies and lacks citations and data. Just gibberish you’d hear from conservatives in a bar