Those attackers are abhorrent, racist thugs. I have no sympathy for them or their cause.
But you *could* kind of twist the argument (if you were inclined to use refugee concerns as a vehicle for your own racism) to say that people in homeless tents add to the overall problem on the basis they add to the overall queue for housing, and thus prevent others from getting a home quicker than they might.
Just to reiterate, these guys are cunts and I do not agree with them. The sole fault of the housing problem lies with the government and absolutely nobody else.
EDIT: And refugees are very welcome in my book.
Yep, that sounds about right.
I would take the ones living in tents over the local scum any day of the week. Knuckle draggers
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We are in a very sad and increasingly dangerous state of affairs when we have roving packs of hateful people attacking the homeless. This stuff is escalating quite rapidly now. Media class has and continues to let us down pretty badly.
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So much disinfo floating around regarding the incident yesterday. There was one coward who tried to smear the name of a well-know Irish citizen journalist by claiming he was the thug in green swinging a metal pole at bystanders. He deleted his comments when caught out but he is still lingering around like a bad smell. Be aware.
It’s a few times now in just a couple of months that I’ve found myself saying Paul Murphy hit the nail on the head. That is deeply concerning on a number of levels.
“We ShOuLd LoOk AfTeR oUr OwN fIrSt!”
But we already look after our own. And there are multiple charities around that do that.
The far right/Fascists don’t care about anyone apart from themselves. Most people can see through their fake empathy.
Who was the unhinged guy in the green shirt swinging the deadly weapon?
He wasn’t ‘far right’.
Some rumours said he is an ex con?
True?
who was attacking who there?
People who are a massive drain on treasury department (the right wing protesters) protesting against other people who are a massive drain on the treasury department (the “refugees”) defended by a third group who are a massive drain on the treasury department (left wing NGOs).
Comical… only in Ireland. It’s about time the net tax payers protest.
1. State fails to tackle illegal immigration (Happy if anyone has recent deportation numbers to share)
2. Legal refugees, Failed Asylum Seekers and Failed Asylum Seekers granted residence now compete with the social welfare class for tax payer funded handouts.
3. Agitator now comes in and says “These are fighting age men that have no right to be in our country”
4. The problem is this is partially true.
The government has a wonderful distraction it helped to create.
What comes next I wonder?
This whole thing is a direct consequence of repeated government mishandling of this situation.
O’Gorman promising people they’d be housed within months of arriving was a huge blunder for a few reasons. The main reason being it clearly wasn’t possible to do so and he essentially lied to people. The second is it is a terrible PR move to say you’ll house people arriving in Ireland while there’s an apparent housing shortage. You’re all smart enough to work out what talking points were inevitable with that one.
So we’re now in a situation where more and more people are turning up with no provisions for them because the asylum system was already a shambles. People have nowhere to go so are now effectively homeless in a foreign land.
This is where I’ll likely loose people now – I don’t see the reaction to this latest incident as shocking at all. People don’t want glorified shanty towns popping up in their areas with people they don’t know anything about rocking up and setting up camp. Working class people are essentially being made to deal with the issue the government made and now people are shocked they aren’t going to play ball.
Of course you can point out there’s people exploiting this for their own end – that’s blatantly obvious. It doesn’t really address the core issues, in my opinion. It’s far too easy to say “all these people are far right” and leave it at that – that is what has been happening.
Until a group or party is brave enough to address the shambles that is Ireland’s asylum system and force the government to take action on it then we’re going to get these things ad infinitum for the foreseeable.
Fair play to them
Ireland takes in a lot of migrats and refugees each year. The problem now is because of the Ukraine situation, there’s no accommodation for them. So now they are more obvious as they are congregating in the city’s rather than scattered across the country as what usually happens. These are not Ukrainians of fighting age.
A very well made point.
Homeless migrants setting up shanty towns in our cities is unacceptable, so is attacking them, the government should have intervened and we need to stop taking people in if we have nowhere to put them
Only if you’re incapable of thinking a few months into the future. The tent camp was obviously an attempt to ahame/pressure the state into housing them
Smoke and mirrors from the government once again – there was no talk of the county council and garda throwing away tents and belongings a few weeks back when Biden visited
Can someone please tell me what happened
Why’s morally it wasn’t right to destroy and burn the encampment, this problem wouldn’t exist if the government efficiently dealt with asylum seekers. By processing applications more quickly, enforcing the deportations of bogus claimants there would be the supply of IPAS accomodation to hold those who recently arrived and are on the streets.
Is there a right wing equivalent of this Irish Left subreddit?
All of these people need to face the law
Are they going to stay there forever Paul?
@KrishnanGuruMurthy
Sure, we can’t be having any of those Albinos ya know.
Far-righters tend not to use logic, and when they do, it’s often very flawed
I 100% blame the government for taking them in under the pretense we could house them.
If you are attacking anybody. You are just a scumbag
In America they eventually take it all your country and culture will be slowly eroded , socialism becomes all out communism under guise of being made to feel a country ,by a million talking heads, all parrots of your hottest talking point to soothe the burn that your countries equity is being stolen given to whomever on s grandiose display of divide and conquer stand by your republic or fall into the pages of history
On the other hand, when the people who are arriving have nowhere to live, we can’t keep pretending it’s okay to continue letting them in, can we?
And it isn’t just that they’re being attacked because they’re taking our accomodation, it’s because no sensible person wants a shanty town of destitute men popping up near their property and families.
Im actually very left wing but a lot of the people who lean that way in this country are living in a fantasy land when it comes to this issue. I seen it when I lived in suburbs in America close to the city, when people from the bad areas move out to nice places they don’t suddenly become middle class, they drag their new surroundings down to their level.
We’re bringing in people with nothing from shithole countries and leaving them with nowhere to go, and if you think that’s not going to make our communities less safe, dirtier and more derelict than they already are, you’re lying to yourself. And the people in those communities, many of whom are likely just scraping by as it is, have right to be concerned. I don’t agree with their tactics necessarily but I wouldn’t want them near my property or family.
The argument I often hear is about how Irish people immigrated to so many places. But we went to much larger countries, spoke the language fluently, integrated, and these were places that also had loads of jobs we could and did do – there’s a reason the stereotypical NYC policeman is an Irish man.
We need to stop pretending this tiny island where vacant housing is like hen’s teeth is a suitable destination for hordes of people that are from different cultures, often don’t speak the language, and in most cases won’t even get jobs here.
Actually evidence?
I’ve a feeling that this is more about sending a message to the government than it is about tearing down tent’s
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I hate Paul Murphy but he’s not wrong here.
Those attackers are abhorrent, racist thugs. I have no sympathy for them or their cause.
But you *could* kind of twist the argument (if you were inclined to use refugee concerns as a vehicle for your own racism) to say that people in homeless tents add to the overall problem on the basis they add to the overall queue for housing, and thus prevent others from getting a home quicker than they might.
Just to reiterate, these guys are cunts and I do not agree with them. The sole fault of the housing problem lies with the government and absolutely nobody else.
EDIT: And refugees are very welcome in my book.
Yep, that sounds about right.
I would take the ones living in tents over the local scum any day of the week. Knuckle draggers
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We are in a very sad and increasingly dangerous state of affairs when we have roving packs of hateful people attacking the homeless. This stuff is escalating quite rapidly now. Media class has and continues to let us down pretty badly.
[deleted]
So much disinfo floating around regarding the incident yesterday. There was one coward who tried to smear the name of a well-know Irish citizen journalist by claiming he was the thug in green swinging a metal pole at bystanders. He deleted his comments when caught out but he is still lingering around like a bad smell. Be aware.
It’s a few times now in just a couple of months that I’ve found myself saying Paul Murphy hit the nail on the head. That is deeply concerning on a number of levels.
“We ShOuLd LoOk AfTeR oUr OwN fIrSt!”
But we already look after our own. And there are multiple charities around that do that.
The far right/Fascists don’t care about anyone apart from themselves. Most people can see through their fake empathy.
Who was the unhinged guy in the green shirt swinging the deadly weapon?
He wasn’t ‘far right’.
Some rumours said he is an ex con?
True?
who was attacking who there?
People who are a massive drain on treasury department (the right wing protesters) protesting against other people who are a massive drain on the treasury department (the “refugees”) defended by a third group who are a massive drain on the treasury department (left wing NGOs).
Comical… only in Ireland. It’s about time the net tax payers protest.
1. State fails to tackle illegal immigration (Happy if anyone has recent deportation numbers to share)
2. Legal refugees, Failed Asylum Seekers and Failed Asylum Seekers granted residence now compete with the social welfare class for tax payer funded handouts.
3. Agitator now comes in and says “These are fighting age men that have no right to be in our country”
4. The problem is this is partially true.
The government has a wonderful distraction it helped to create.
What comes next I wonder?
This whole thing is a direct consequence of repeated government mishandling of this situation.
O’Gorman promising people they’d be housed within months of arriving was a huge blunder for a few reasons. The main reason being it clearly wasn’t possible to do so and he essentially lied to people. The second is it is a terrible PR move to say you’ll house people arriving in Ireland while there’s an apparent housing shortage. You’re all smart enough to work out what talking points were inevitable with that one.
So we’re now in a situation where more and more people are turning up with no provisions for them because the asylum system was already a shambles. People have nowhere to go so are now effectively homeless in a foreign land.
This is where I’ll likely loose people now – I don’t see the reaction to this latest incident as shocking at all. People don’t want glorified shanty towns popping up in their areas with people they don’t know anything about rocking up and setting up camp. Working class people are essentially being made to deal with the issue the government made and now people are shocked they aren’t going to play ball.
Of course you can point out there’s people exploiting this for their own end – that’s blatantly obvious. It doesn’t really address the core issues, in my opinion. It’s far too easy to say “all these people are far right” and leave it at that – that is what has been happening.
Until a group or party is brave enough to address the shambles that is Ireland’s asylum system and force the government to take action on it then we’re going to get these things ad infinitum for the foreseeable.
Fair play to them
Ireland takes in a lot of migrats and refugees each year. The problem now is because of the Ukraine situation, there’s no accommodation for them. So now they are more obvious as they are congregating in the city’s rather than scattered across the country as what usually happens. These are not Ukrainians of fighting age.
A very well made point.
Homeless migrants setting up shanty towns in our cities is unacceptable, so is attacking them, the government should have intervened and we need to stop taking people in if we have nowhere to put them
Only if you’re incapable of thinking a few months into the future. The tent camp was obviously an attempt to ahame/pressure the state into housing them
Smoke and mirrors from the government once again – there was no talk of the county council and garda throwing away tents and belongings a few weeks back when Biden visited
Can someone please tell me what happened
Why’s morally it wasn’t right to destroy and burn the encampment, this problem wouldn’t exist if the government efficiently dealt with asylum seekers. By processing applications more quickly, enforcing the deportations of bogus claimants there would be the supply of IPAS accomodation to hold those who recently arrived and are on the streets.
Is there a right wing equivalent of this Irish Left subreddit?
All of these people need to face the law
Are they going to stay there forever Paul?
@KrishnanGuruMurthy
Sure, we can’t be having any of those Albinos ya know.
Far-righters tend not to use logic, and when they do, it’s often very flawed
I 100% blame the government for taking them in under the pretense we could house them.
If you are attacking anybody. You are just a scumbag
In America they eventually take it all your country and culture will be slowly eroded , socialism becomes all out communism under guise of being made to feel a country ,by a million talking heads, all parrots of your hottest talking point to soothe the burn that your countries equity is being stolen given to whomever on s grandiose display of divide and conquer stand by your republic or fall into the pages of history
On the other hand, when the people who are arriving have nowhere to live, we can’t keep pretending it’s okay to continue letting them in, can we?
And it isn’t just that they’re being attacked because they’re taking our accomodation, it’s because no sensible person wants a shanty town of destitute men popping up near their property and families.
Im actually very left wing but a lot of the people who lean that way in this country are living in a fantasy land when it comes to this issue. I seen it when I lived in suburbs in America close to the city, when people from the bad areas move out to nice places they don’t suddenly become middle class, they drag their new surroundings down to their level.
We’re bringing in people with nothing from shithole countries and leaving them with nowhere to go, and if you think that’s not going to make our communities less safe, dirtier and more derelict than they already are, you’re lying to yourself. And the people in those communities, many of whom are likely just scraping by as it is, have right to be concerned. I don’t agree with their tactics necessarily but I wouldn’t want them near my property or family.
The argument I often hear is about how Irish people immigrated to so many places. But we went to much larger countries, spoke the language fluently, integrated, and these were places that also had loads of jobs we could and did do – there’s a reason the stereotypical NYC policeman is an Irish man.
We need to stop pretending this tiny island where vacant housing is like hen’s teeth is a suitable destination for hordes of people that are from different cultures, often don’t speak the language, and in most cases won’t even get jobs here.
Actually evidence?
I’ve a feeling that this is more about sending a message to the government than it is about tearing down tent’s