At least the C permit or b permit married with a swiss should be able to vote. They ar paying full taxes.
Looks good to me – Foreigners can leave at any time, but we Swiss go down with the ship if we do not take care of Switzerland. Having people who do not understand us (and often don’t care) and are insufficiently integrated vote is a recipe for desaster.
This is as it should be. Only citizens should have the right to vote, and residents should have a clear path to citizenship if that is what they want.
Withholding the right to participate politically (even) on a local level for about a third (28%) of the citizens seems rather undemocratic to me.
I glad that’s the outcome. Voting is a privilege but also a responsibility. We have to live with the consequences of it. Imagine having people that don’t understand the country or it’s people and are here just on a work assignment decide things that will impact all of us long term.
Where else in the world can foreigners vote for anything?
Massive W. I’m Swiss and lived in other countries (7 years and 4 years) and not once expected to be able to vote. That’s for citizens only
Over 800’000 swiss citizens are living abroad and have the right to vote on swiss politics. They don’t work here, they don’t pay taxes here, they don’t have to live with the consequences. Why should these people be able to vote instead of the people living here? I don’t get it. This outcome would be understandable if it was easy to become to a swiss citizen, but it isn’t!
Don’t see an issue with this result tbh. Glad it didn’t come out otherwise
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All those who have to pay taxes should automatically be given the right to vote on (at least!) municipal level. This does not exclude people from voting, if they don’t pay taxes (in the sense that they have a low income, get social support etc.). No taxation without representation.
What I find absolutely right
Great for the Swiss. It’s a pity that we in Austria can’t manage that. In Western Austria, German citizens have a massive influence on the election results according to all election studies….
At the Gemeinde level, C-permit holder should have the right to vote for people, eg elect representative. Not to be elected themselves, neither to vote on local laws/Initative/objects. But at least to vote for the people they respect and know, or the party they prefer.
I think this is already the case in many Gemeinde, and has never been an issue.
Rofl foreigners voting. What is this far left bs
In other countries where I lived (UK and Belgium) I could vote for the mayor and local representatives despite being a foreigner, I find the current restrictions in CH on voting too tight, especially for C permit holders. It’s logic that non-nationals don’t get a say on national politics (parliamentary elections or national referenda) until they naturalise, but there’s something in between that would allow us foreigners to participate in civil society a bit more actively and feel like we belong in our community.
As it should be. C’mon I am imigrant myself, but the idea of allowing non-citizens to vote is retarded.
There’s an initiative going in that direction here in Vaud. That along with the new initiative to give a right to naturalisation, announced today…
Foreigners should be helped to integrate. Citizenship is the reward after succeeding. Voting is part of that reward. People who aren’t integrated can stay here as long as they can support themselves, but citizens’ rights should not be diluted.
I think people on a C-permit should get to vote locally but not federally.
This is a bit of a shame: while yes, citizenship grants the right to vote, 10+ years feels like a long time to wait to vote on local issues like schools, bike lanes, etc. It would make sense to allow voting at communal level with C permit. Being able to vote on the small stuff would help with integration.
This might sound dreadful and cyclical, but I don’t really care about not having the vote.
The only vote really worth having is a vote with one’s feet. I chose somewhere coming from a high tax country that’ll never have a left majority and so is reasonably reliable. (I work in Basel stadt so the SZ, ND, ZG type places are too far).
In the meantime I got to vote on whether migros sells booze, which is of course the big issue. Even if I lost by voting pro booze.
The only thing I object to is that my home country should remove the right for Swiss residents to vote for local elections. These things should be symmetrical.
It’s been trialed successfully in a number of cantons and imo helps with integration.
It’s quite amazing to me to see so many people unaware that foreigner who have lived in Switzerland for a long time have the right to vote in French speaking cantons, on the municipal level.
No taxation without representation
the society in Switzerland is bottom up. you receive Swiss citizenship being a member of a municipality not through a central government.
Why do we admire indigenous communities how they preserve their heritage and decide who lives among them and deny our own brethren to do define our own rules?
Seems that no one —literally— read the article. They are talking about local elections, no federal ones.
In the EU this is common. If you are not citizen of the country you live, and you have been living there for awhile, you can vote on your local elections, municipal —at the very least— and sometimes regional. National elections is of course reserved to citizens.
This is something that is good, since foreigners get more involved. It’s like a little training if they want to get the citizenship.
This thread. Yikes. 🤦🏻♀️
I’ve lived in Switzerland since 2015. I have a C permit. I work here and pay taxes. I have a Swiss child. I don’t understand why I can’t at least vote in local elections. I can’t even apply for citizenship for another couple of years. Like, we get it, you guys are the best country ever. We’re just dying to be Swiss!
Is this thread totally full of uneducated people about how the EU works and where you can vote even if you are not a citizen? And I mention the EU because Switzerland is totally surrounded by the EU and they should know how it works more or less.
Thank God
As someone who was born and raised in Switzerland but took 25 years to finally be granted the citizenship, I’m very much against this. There are locals who love this country who haven’t yet made it through the bureaucratic hell which is the citizenship application who want to have their voices heard as members of the community.
I hope it gets another vote in the future where they can be given this chance.
I mean it’s relatively simple if you have a record of paying taxes then you should have representation in local elections and decisions. There is no and if or but about it if you give your hard-earned money to the state you should be represented in local decisions at the very least without being a citizen.
If you can’t be arsed to get citizenship, then I doubt that your interest in local politics is high enough for you to seriously participate in voting.
Whether or not getting citizenship is too hard is a different discussion.
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Foreigners who work and pay taxes in CH should be able to vote at least for the local parliament …
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At least the C permit or b permit married with a swiss should be able to vote. They ar paying full taxes.
Looks good to me – Foreigners can leave at any time, but we Swiss go down with the ship if we do not take care of Switzerland. Having people who do not understand us (and often don’t care) and are insufficiently integrated vote is a recipe for desaster.
This is as it should be. Only citizens should have the right to vote, and residents should have a clear path to citizenship if that is what they want.
Withholding the right to participate politically (even) on a local level for about a third (28%) of the citizens seems rather undemocratic to me.
I glad that’s the outcome. Voting is a privilege but also a responsibility. We have to live with the consequences of it. Imagine having people that don’t understand the country or it’s people and are here just on a work assignment decide things that will impact all of us long term.
Where else in the world can foreigners vote for anything?
Massive W. I’m Swiss and lived in other countries (7 years and 4 years) and not once expected to be able to vote. That’s for citizens only
Over 800’000 swiss citizens are living abroad and have the right to vote on swiss politics. They don’t work here, they don’t pay taxes here, they don’t have to live with the consequences. Why should these people be able to vote instead of the people living here? I don’t get it. This outcome would be understandable if it was easy to become to a swiss citizen, but it isn’t!
Don’t see an issue with this result tbh. Glad it didn’t come out otherwise
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All those who have to pay taxes should automatically be given the right to vote on (at least!) municipal level. This does not exclude people from voting, if they don’t pay taxes (in the sense that they have a low income, get social support etc.). No taxation without representation.
What I find absolutely right
Great for the Swiss. It’s a pity that we in Austria can’t manage that. In Western Austria, German citizens have a massive influence on the election results according to all election studies….
At the Gemeinde level, C-permit holder should have the right to vote for people, eg elect representative. Not to be elected themselves, neither to vote on local laws/Initative/objects. But at least to vote for the people they respect and know, or the party they prefer.
I think this is already the case in many Gemeinde, and has never been an issue.
Rofl foreigners voting. What is this far left bs
In other countries where I lived (UK and Belgium) I could vote for the mayor and local representatives despite being a foreigner, I find the current restrictions in CH on voting too tight, especially for C permit holders. It’s logic that non-nationals don’t get a say on national politics (parliamentary elections or national referenda) until they naturalise, but there’s something in between that would allow us foreigners to participate in civil society a bit more actively and feel like we belong in our community.
As it should be. C’mon I am imigrant myself, but the idea of allowing non-citizens to vote is retarded.
There’s an initiative going in that direction here in Vaud. That along with the new initiative to give a right to naturalisation, announced today…
Foreigners should be helped to integrate. Citizenship is the reward after succeeding. Voting is part of that reward. People who aren’t integrated can stay here as long as they can support themselves, but citizens’ rights should not be diluted.
I think people on a C-permit should get to vote locally but not federally.
This is a bit of a shame: while yes, citizenship grants the right to vote, 10+ years feels like a long time to wait to vote on local issues like schools, bike lanes, etc. It would make sense to allow voting at communal level with C permit. Being able to vote on the small stuff would help with integration.
This might sound dreadful and cyclical, but I don’t really care about not having the vote.
The only vote really worth having is a vote with one’s feet. I chose somewhere coming from a high tax country that’ll never have a left majority and so is reasonably reliable. (I work in Basel stadt so the SZ, ND, ZG type places are too far).
In the meantime I got to vote on whether migros sells booze, which is of course the big issue. Even if I lost by voting pro booze.
The only thing I object to is that my home country should remove the right for Swiss residents to vote for local elections. These things should be symmetrical.
It’s been trialed successfully in a number of cantons and imo helps with integration.
It’s quite amazing to me to see so many people unaware that foreigner who have lived in Switzerland for a long time have the right to vote in French speaking cantons, on the municipal level.
No taxation without representation
the society in Switzerland is bottom up. you receive Swiss citizenship being a member of a municipality not through a central government.
Why do we admire indigenous communities how they preserve their heritage and decide who lives among them and deny our own brethren to do define our own rules?
Seems that no one —literally— read the article. They are talking about local elections, no federal ones.
In the EU this is common. If you are not citizen of the country you live, and you have been living there for awhile, you can vote on your local elections, municipal —at the very least— and sometimes regional. National elections is of course reserved to citizens.
This is something that is good, since foreigners get more involved. It’s like a little training if they want to get the citizenship.
This thread. Yikes. 🤦🏻♀️
I’ve lived in Switzerland since 2015. I have a C permit. I work here and pay taxes. I have a Swiss child. I don’t understand why I can’t at least vote in local elections. I can’t even apply for citizenship for another couple of years. Like, we get it, you guys are the best country ever. We’re just dying to be Swiss!
Is this thread totally full of uneducated people about how the EU works and where you can vote even if you are not a citizen? And I mention the EU because Switzerland is totally surrounded by the EU and they should know how it works more or less.
Thank God
As someone who was born and raised in Switzerland but took 25 years to finally be granted the citizenship, I’m very much against this. There are locals who love this country who haven’t yet made it through the bureaucratic hell which is the citizenship application who want to have their voices heard as members of the community.
I hope it gets another vote in the future where they can be given this chance.
I mean it’s relatively simple if you have a record of paying taxes then you should have representation in local elections and decisions. There is no and if or but about it if you give your hard-earned money to the state you should be represented in local decisions at the very least without being a citizen.
If you can’t be arsed to get citizenship, then I doubt that your interest in local politics is high enough for you to seriously participate in voting.
Whether or not getting citizenship is too hard is a different discussion.
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Foreigners who work and pay taxes in CH should be able to vote at least for the local parliament …