> Around one in six of its services were cancelled in March.
What the fuck??
Good, on with the next.
Then do energy companies.
Then when it’s sinking in how much better it is and that some things just shouldn’t be ran for profit set up a nationalised pharmaceutical company.
Please please just change the franchising system so the public sector can bid and win (as they don’t require a return to shareholders) and let nationalisation happen fairly, but under the capitalist system rather than enforcement.
Pleased with this, I live in a small town and don’t drive, only way I can get to another town or city is 1-2 hour bus rides or transpennine express.
The train services are a joke, they either never turn up or turn up so late they may as well have cancelled and just sent the next one due. They send trains with only one or two carriages so there’s never enough seats so most people are paying to stand. Hopefully this will be better l, can’t imagine it’s be worse
Well it’s about time.
I have to take either Northern or Transpennine to get to work. It’s like the worlds worst lottery of cancelled trains.
There’s supposed to be a TP train at 8am every morning from the station closest to me and I don’t think I’ve *ever* seen it run.
They’re disastrous.
It needed doing, but don’t expect huge improvements anytime soon.
I once got a transpennine express train, and it had wooden benches as seats.
I’m sure I’m not imaging this.
If you think TP express is bad you should see Northern… they need to be the next surely!!
Corbyn policies which people signed up for to Labour
I had an 11pm train from Manchester airport to York that was cancelled, then every train til 6am along with it
I’m disappointed.
I managed to go six trains in a row where I was entitled to part/all of my money back and then when I wrote them an angry letter about the constant shoddy service I got a monetary “good will gesture”.
I’d come to terms with being 3-4 hours late everywhere and quite enjoyed travelling for free.
Woke up to read this news, got the train station and my 8am train was cancelled. Banter train company.
God knows how many hundreds of billions has been wasted on failed privatised infrastructure.
Some things aren’t products for sale, they’re services to be provided. Health care, policing, probation, fire service, rail, gas, electricity.
Please do Greater Anglia next. This company sold their old trains before the new trains they ordered where up and running. We went months with constant cancellations.
This clearly only happened because they lost a bunch of northern councillors
The government has to be really careful here, they now need to run a successful rail franchise without making it too successful otherwise there will be more calls for a complete renationalization of the railways.
Bring it on. The whole network should be renationalised, rather than users being reamed for private sector profit. We’re currently subsidising various railways in other countries.
Just nationalise these shit railways. The franchising system is so broken
All public services should be nationalised. I think we are the only country in the world that sold water to private ownership which is both criminal and stupid.
System is broken. I had a train delayed 50 minutes. They would only refund me 71p of the cost. They would also charge a £2.50 admin fee, meaning I would have to pay for a refund 🤣
Use public money to build and expand a public service, then sell it off to your mates. If they can keep siphoning off that money as clear profit, all well and good. But, if not, then no worries – we can “nationalise” it for a bit, which just means using taxpayers’ money again to fix all the infrastructure etc (which we didnt bother with because it would cut into our profits). Then, when everything’s been renovated with the moron plebs’ money, we can sell it off to our mates again.
Keep voting Conservative, suckers! Oh, and make sure you whine endlessly about transport services being cut and the price of tickets at the same time! We find that particularly amusing.
I just hope that they don’t change the livery, it was a great colour scheme
Avanti better be next christ they’re some how even worse
Good. I despise this company. They accused me of lying in 2017. I was not lying.
Privatise the profits, nationalise the losses. This will be sold as soon as it becomes profitable for pennies no doubt
Something needed to change, I’m so surprised when a journey goes smoothly
Utterly shocked, been avoiding transpennine for decades as it’s easily one of the worst providers… fortunately they had a monopoly to rely on.
Avanti next please. Virgin was good enough, but Avanti have increased prices, reduced timetable, and reduced customer experience.
Manchester to London is an important route for work as well as personal, the fact that they can get away with cancelling every second train is ludicrous.
Whilst I agree that allowing private for profit companies to run national infrastructure services has been a failure I’m not convinced that (re)nationalisation is the correct solution
Rather than nationalisation I’d rather a solution where by if a particular type* of service reaches a certain level of “national infrastructure” then it switches to it being provided by not for profit organisations
Yes those organisations would still need to make enough money to cover all the day to day running costs of providing & maintaining the service AND have funds available to invest in improvements & upgrades to the service PLUS have sufficient to put money aside “for a rainy day” but the entire aspect of money being skimmed off the top to go into someone’s pocket needs to go
*By “particular type” I’m thinking all the core essential infrastructure services such as Gas, Electricity, Water etc as well as the more “optional” services such as public transport (buses, trains, trams etc) and services that not that long ago would’ve been classed as “luxuries” but can now most definitely be classed as essential such as the core back bone services for mobile networks & internet services
Do note that the article says this is intended to be temporary.
As in, the government will inject a bunch of taxpayer money into a failing private enterprise, then just as it starts returning money to the public pocket it’ll be given back to private enterprise so they can receive the profit.
This isn’t the Tories turning over a new leaf and realising that sectors like this should be public owned, it’s just a bail out by another name.
Mods please change title as it is misleading. It’s not being nationalised. The government will not renew TPE’s contract in May and instead will be ran by an OLR (Operator of Last Resort), likely LNER or Southeastern Railways.
Another company will take over the franchise, with the operator stepping in on manage the service on the governments behalf. It’s like saying Virgin Care or Care UKs contracts with NHS are examples of nationalised healthcare, which it is not.
Nationalise the whole rail and bus network. Natural monopolies do not benefit from competition, and are enhanced by joined-up coordination.
33 comments
[deleted]
> Around one in six of its services were cancelled in March.
What the fuck??
Good, on with the next.
Then do energy companies.
Then when it’s sinking in how much better it is and that some things just shouldn’t be ran for profit set up a nationalised pharmaceutical company.
Please please just change the franchising system so the public sector can bid and win (as they don’t require a return to shareholders) and let nationalisation happen fairly, but under the capitalist system rather than enforcement.
Pleased with this, I live in a small town and don’t drive, only way I can get to another town or city is 1-2 hour bus rides or transpennine express.
The train services are a joke, they either never turn up or turn up so late they may as well have cancelled and just sent the next one due. They send trains with only one or two carriages so there’s never enough seats so most people are paying to stand. Hopefully this will be better l, can’t imagine it’s be worse
Well it’s about time.
I have to take either Northern or Transpennine to get to work. It’s like the worlds worst lottery of cancelled trains.
There’s supposed to be a TP train at 8am every morning from the station closest to me and I don’t think I’ve *ever* seen it run.
They’re disastrous.
It needed doing, but don’t expect huge improvements anytime soon.
I once got a transpennine express train, and it had wooden benches as seats.
I’m sure I’m not imaging this.
If you think TP express is bad you should see Northern… they need to be the next surely!!
Corbyn policies which people signed up for to Labour
I had an 11pm train from Manchester airport to York that was cancelled, then every train til 6am along with it
I’m disappointed.
I managed to go six trains in a row where I was entitled to part/all of my money back and then when I wrote them an angry letter about the constant shoddy service I got a monetary “good will gesture”.
I’d come to terms with being 3-4 hours late everywhere and quite enjoyed travelling for free.
Woke up to read this news, got the train station and my 8am train was cancelled. Banter train company.
God knows how many hundreds of billions has been wasted on failed privatised infrastructure.
Some things aren’t products for sale, they’re services to be provided. Health care, policing, probation, fire service, rail, gas, electricity.
Please do Greater Anglia next. This company sold their old trains before the new trains they ordered where up and running. We went months with constant cancellations.
This clearly only happened because they lost a bunch of northern councillors
The government has to be really careful here, they now need to run a successful rail franchise without making it too successful otherwise there will be more calls for a complete renationalization of the railways.
Bring it on. The whole network should be renationalised, rather than users being reamed for private sector profit. We’re currently subsidising various railways in other countries.
Just nationalise these shit railways. The franchising system is so broken
All public services should be nationalised. I think we are the only country in the world that sold water to private ownership which is both criminal and stupid.
System is broken. I had a train delayed 50 minutes. They would only refund me 71p of the cost. They would also charge a £2.50 admin fee, meaning I would have to pay for a refund 🤣
Use public money to build and expand a public service, then sell it off to your mates. If they can keep siphoning off that money as clear profit, all well and good. But, if not, then no worries – we can “nationalise” it for a bit, which just means using taxpayers’ money again to fix all the infrastructure etc (which we didnt bother with because it would cut into our profits). Then, when everything’s been renovated with the moron plebs’ money, we can sell it off to our mates again.
Keep voting Conservative, suckers! Oh, and make sure you whine endlessly about transport services being cut and the price of tickets at the same time! We find that particularly amusing.
I just hope that they don’t change the livery, it was a great colour scheme
Avanti better be next christ they’re some how even worse
Good. I despise this company. They accused me of lying in 2017. I was not lying.
Privatise the profits, nationalise the losses. This will be sold as soon as it becomes profitable for pennies no doubt
Something needed to change, I’m so surprised when a journey goes smoothly
Utterly shocked, been avoiding transpennine for decades as it’s easily one of the worst providers… fortunately they had a monopoly to rely on.
Avanti next please. Virgin was good enough, but Avanti have increased prices, reduced timetable, and reduced customer experience.
Manchester to London is an important route for work as well as personal, the fact that they can get away with cancelling every second train is ludicrous.
Whilst I agree that allowing private for profit companies to run national infrastructure services has been a failure I’m not convinced that (re)nationalisation is the correct solution
Rather than nationalisation I’d rather a solution where by if a particular type* of service reaches a certain level of “national infrastructure” then it switches to it being provided by not for profit organisations
Yes those organisations would still need to make enough money to cover all the day to day running costs of providing & maintaining the service AND have funds available to invest in improvements & upgrades to the service PLUS have sufficient to put money aside “for a rainy day” but the entire aspect of money being skimmed off the top to go into someone’s pocket needs to go
*By “particular type” I’m thinking all the core essential infrastructure services such as Gas, Electricity, Water etc as well as the more “optional” services such as public transport (buses, trains, trams etc) and services that not that long ago would’ve been classed as “luxuries” but can now most definitely be classed as essential such as the core back bone services for mobile networks & internet services
Do note that the article says this is intended to be temporary.
As in, the government will inject a bunch of taxpayer money into a failing private enterprise, then just as it starts returning money to the public pocket it’ll be given back to private enterprise so they can receive the profit.
This isn’t the Tories turning over a new leaf and realising that sectors like this should be public owned, it’s just a bail out by another name.
Mods please change title as it is misleading. It’s not being nationalised. The government will not renew TPE’s contract in May and instead will be ran by an OLR (Operator of Last Resort), likely LNER or Southeastern Railways.
Another company will take over the franchise, with the operator stepping in on manage the service on the governments behalf. It’s like saying Virgin Care or Care UKs contracts with NHS are examples of nationalised healthcare, which it is not.
Nationalise the whole rail and bus network. Natural monopolies do not benefit from competition, and are enhanced by joined-up coordination.