Clare Daly claiming all wars end with peace talks? She was out sick for World War II in school then ?

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  2. Irish Independence was won at the end of a gun too, after we forced a genocidal and horrible colonial power into peace talks through violence. I thought this talk was complete nonsense.

    The world has fundamentally changed since Russia invaded Ukraine. Sweden and Finland, two countries that managed to keep a capable and armed neutrality during the Cold War have opted to join NATO. The world has completely changed and this delusional idea that a few chats will resolve this issue are naive in the extreme. This war started in 2014 when Russia invaded Ukraine. The current phase only started last year

  3. It’s like that American news report where the journalist is talking about peaceful protests as the city literally burns behind him.

  4. Do Peace talks include unconditional surrender?

    Then you could include ww1

    Do peace talk include complete defeat

    Ww2 , Punic wars

    Do peace talks include haphazardly leaving the occupation zone

    Then you could include, Vietnam, Afghanistan(USA not soviet), chechen war 1, British Invasion of suez.

    Korean War is still not over

    She’s a plonker waste of oxygen and votes

  7. Ah yes, I remember the ole Hiroshima and Nagasaki peace talks well. She’s a cretin and a puppet.

  8. She came off like a mobster doing a protection racket.

    Telling Ukrainians they need to take a peace deal with Russia or more bad things will happen to their people. Basically victim blaming them for fighting back and not giving up. Then telling them all the deaths are their fault if they won’t give up and let Russia do what it likes.

    It was sickening, she rambled too, everyone got so upset they couldn’t form a counter argument so she just kept talking. I can’t believe she got to take over the show like that.

  11. To be fair to her, WW2 was an anomaly in that unconditional surrender was stipulated. Even then, the Germans and Japanese signed instruments of surrender.

  12. I keep hearing people spouting this nonsense that Ukraine needs to sit down for peace talks.

    If someone breaks into your house and attacks you, they don’t get to ask to talk it out when you start kicking the shite out of them.

  14. It sounds to me that the MEP is in favour of a settled solution so that Russia can continue to murder and rape Ukrainians, but at least there is “peace”.

  15. Co existence with totalitarian expansionist dictators like Putin is incompatible with Western life.

  16. Clare Daly is an utter disgrace. [https://twitter.com/i/status/1660774875852836865](https://twitter.com/i/status/1660774875852836865) this woman absolutely destroyed her. she even talked over this woman at the end when the Ukrainian woman was talking about the destruction

    the people who protest voted for her as well are to blame. she´s in bed with Wallace a failed multi millionaire property developer with loads of issues of his own. a true leftist indeed.

    folks ought to remember that many people in 1939 went out and protested for similar peace with placards saying the exact same thing about Hitler and peace and Germany. the exact shtick Clare has with nato encroachment, but at the time it was an acceptance that Versailles was too harsh and Germany had every right to fight it.

    if we had listened to them God knows how much destruction would have been wrought.

    Clare Daly is utterly reprehensible. Katie Hannon left her go unchecked. and none of her more extreme views were brought up. Her twitter comments and Nato framing is a million times worse. Pontificating about peace, miles from Russia and protected (de facto) by numerous nato countries. if i saw her in person i´d call her a wanker

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  17. She is such a fucking dope, thankfully we have European elections coming up soon enough so we can hopefully get rid of her and that twat Mick Wallace

  18. Daly, the rotten b****, did the equivalent of suggesting Ukraine was wearing a short skirt and was asking for invasion.

  19. She’s an idiot and her take on all this is bullshit, but this is also a pretty bad take in fairness – WWII ended with the only atomic bombings in human history and millions dead all over the world, it’s possibly not a template for how we should attempt to end this one.

  20. I hope anyone who says this about Ukraine would have the same defeatist attitude if they were around a few centuries ago… “Maybe the British will leave Ireland if we write them a few strongly-worded letters!”

  22. No war has ended until either a stalemate situation has been reached (hard argue we are there yet in Ukraine) or complete defeat has been reached by one side

  23. Or you know just drop a few bombs that absolutely shell shock civilians so bad that your government literally have no choice to surrender and resign or commit seppuku..

    Or peace talks that don’t really exist

    Claire Daly and Mick Wallace are Russian mouth pieces, they wouldn’t accept a blood soaked dollar apparently but they’ll accept a blood soaked ruble all the same

  24. “Talks happen at the end of all wars” is such a painfully stupid copout.

    The stage at which talks happen is the fundamental issue she’s hiding behind. She seems to think if the Ukrainians “talk” now, Russia will stop, that’ll be the end of it. Completely ignoring the countless people who will be left under a hostile government bent on destroying their culture, language or national identity as Ukrainians and everyone extrenal to these new Russian borders would be powerless to stop it.

    This is before something as obvious as the next step of Russia’s plan where they invade the remainder of Ukraine half a decade later, having learned from their mistakes and recuperated their operational strength.

    Is Ukraine to “talk” with Russia until their nation is devoured piece by piece? And then we will have Poland bordering this expanionist Russia who will think they’ve done extremely well in subsuming other countries so why not have another go?

    The line has to be drawn at Ukraine’s 2014 borders. Aggressors should not get land in this day and age.

  25. WWII ended in Japan with the US dropping two atomic bombs on them, so it’s not obvious that that’s a precedent we should be looking to emulate.

    More generally, the ones that didn’t end with peace talks typically ended with one side invading and conquering the other. Daly might be a shill for Russia but nobody on any side of the argument is seriously suggesting Russia is going to be invaded or conquered.

  26. World War 2 did end with peace talks ?

    It’s not like they killed every Japanese/German person alive and nuked the countries until they turned into a big crater.

  27. I welcome the down votes but this war is a load of bullshit.
    Neither side is going to walk away without compromises, neither side has the resources for an all out victory over the other.

    It’s now just a waiting game, will Russia run out of resources or will the West lose interest in supporting Ukraine?

  29. russia peacefully took Crimea, did that prevent escalation and starting a war? No, it was just appetiser …

  30. To all the people bringing up WW2, you realise how that went?

    If you want to force unconditional surrender on Russia it’s going to require a WW3, total war across Europe and finish it by dropping nukes. is that what you want?

  34. Spouting so many Kremlin talking points she should change her surname to Wagner.

    I would say various intelligence agencies have files on this useful idiot.

  36. She probably should’ve said that all wars involving a nuclear power end with peace talks or the nuclear power winning.

    Or maybe you were also out sick for World War II?

  37. So here’s the thing….

    If Russia was to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine it would be the end of Russia.

    The United States spend more money on the military than the other 19 countries in the top 20 combined. China and Russia are 2nd and 3rd, but by a long stretch and literally every single other country after that are United States allies.

    If Russia were to act the bollocks they’d very quickly learn the hard way. India, Saudi Arabia, UK, Germany, France, Japan, Australia and Israel to name a few all piling in like a group of bullies beating the snot off someone. Even if China decided to back up Russia they’d just be signing up for economy crippling worldwide sanctions and being sent back to the stone age.

    I wish the media would report on things like that so people really knew just how much the Americans spend year after year after year on their military. Clare Daly is an absolute donkey! She’s so clearly been bought, as his Mick Wallace and is some mouthpiece for Russian and Chinese propaganda.

  39. Good job she’s an arrogant and unpleasant idiot who is completely marginalised or she might be dangerous.

  41. Unfortunately, her argument assumes that there are only rational actors and that there are two sides. In a lot of wars, that’s simply not the case.

    In this case, like in many others that went before it, a country has just invaded its neighbour without any rational at all other than it has some notion of superiority and thinks its neighbour shouldn’t exist.

    Europe’s history is littered with tyrannical regimes causing misery like this and they’ve rarely, if ever, been stopped by everyone sitting down over a nice cup of coffee.

  47. She’s right. Most wars end in a negotiated settlement. It’s a perfectly rational statement to make, and the hysterical reaction to it is a measure of how brain poisoned a lot of people here in the West really are.

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