Great headline to bring the crazies out of the woodwork … but apart from that, could it have _anything_ to do with the overburdened and underfunded NHS, social care, and support system? Nah!
Well in Northern Ireland our NHS waiting list is 700000 people deep.
Mystery solved.
Maybe this has something to do with Sunak’s pledge to cut NHS waiting lists?
Dead person is one person less waiting.
> “The population is getting older, and also the population in Britain is the fattest in Europe and rather vulnerable to diseases notably heart disease and diabetes; some people have been forecasting separately from Covid that death rates would continue to get worse because the country is so unhealthy,” he said.
> One of the noted causes behind a number of the excess deaths were ischaemic heart diseases – which would track with the professor’s warnings of a fatter population.
> Similarly, when looking at the leading cause of death across much of 2022, it’s dementia and Alzheimers – further supporting theories of an increasingly greying, and dying, population.
Clickbait headline is clickbait. And no one here read further. I’m shocked.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a deadly virus is knocking around
Quite a good article drawing out details on why current measuring isn’t comparing like with like (or recording a specific cause of death in many cases).
We do know why though. Wealth inequality is huge, access to decent healthcare is a postcode lottery, people live unhealthy lifestyles that exacerbate minor conditions, there is a huge post-COVID backlog that is not getting any shorter, both the NHS and social care are falling apart…There is no one reason but we know of plenty as to why people are dying prematurely and from treatable/preventable illnesses. We just have a government who do not want to deal with those issues, as well as a public who are happy to vote to keep that party in power.
There are some serious studies going on around this increase at the moment….Best to leave speculation and await the professionals opinion when the latest figures are released… There is definitely a massive uptick that has got health professionals concerned.
*From May to December last year, there were 32,441 excess deaths in England and Wales,* ***excluding*** *deaths from Covid. ….according to Office for National Statistics*
Is it possible the lockdowns had a significant impact on how active people were, and some people just never returned to their former levels of activity in the post-pandemic world?
Of course it’s just anecdotal evidence, but I know several people who put on a bit of weight back in 2020 and have just been down hill since.
Either way, even if that were the case, I don’t know if that would cause such an increase in deaths.
here’s my guesses where to look
long covid
stresses on people due to lockdown
NHS chaos
Something adverse due to the covid vaccine
The fact that we don’t know why says it all. These people are dying because they’ve slipped under the radar. Hospital funding is cut, social care is cut, the old systems for keeping an eye on the vulnerable are gone. Society doesn’t notice that something’s wrong until their dead body gets reported by a relative or neighbour.
That’s kinda what happens when the NHS is on its knees. Give it another year or two and it will be “the only way we can save the NHS is to privatise it”.
When you look outside and it’s grey for 8 months in a row, you just want to die sooner
Covid left me with a heart condition. It can and should be treated with a simple procedure within 2 weeks of being diagnosed. The longer left untreated, the less likely the chances of success. That was in Dec 2020 – still waiting for my treatment on the NHS. I imagine there must be hundreds of thousands of people in the UK in similar or worse scenarios.
A novel virus was allowed to rip through society, first without understanding the nature of it (it’s just a respiratory infection!!!oh whoops no actually damages every organ in the body and thickens the blood vessells but we’re going to pretend it’s respiratory only for the next 2 years) and we will only understand the more broader, lastng effects of catching and surviving it as the years come by, Maybe this is the start of “The years” coming by. Oh and we have more mutations now of this virus, and society is even more keen on letting it pass through the whole society to the point where vulnerble sick poeple are being removed from hospitals when they ask nurses and doctors to please wear a mask for their own safety. Yes it’s a big mystery what people might be dying from…
People tried some wierd experimental drugs, some not designed for humans to take, and that probably didn’t do them any good….
People who were already sick got even sicker waiting for treatment and care.
Doctors are purposefully ignoring conditions and health problems which might be caught by vigorous testing, for reasons i don’t understand but there’s no other explanation as to why a girl can go see her doctor for blood in her stool five times and being told it’s poor diet, stress, IBS and IBD, with no blood tests, before going to A+E and being diagnosed with bowel cancer there, at the hospital
People have been cut off from being able to contact their GP at a timely fashion, so they give up completely and don’t see the doctor. The one problem per appointment gets in the way of the patient discussing a multi-system problem. The one problem per appointment means the doctor may focus on the wrong symptom because the patient doesn’t think the other symptoms warrant a mention because they don’t realise it’s the same health problem, and when they do go back to discuss the other problem, it’s another doctor who doesn’t have time to read the notes so treats the second symptom as a seperate thing.
If a pensioner goes in for back pain and swollen fingers in seperate appointments, the first doctor will hear back pain and probably refer to physio, and the second doctor will do a pee test and send off for a blood test. And then the pensioner suddenly dies of a heart attack before they get the blood test because those symptoms combined can be heart failure.
Remember when the UN and the BMA were pointing out in the late 2010s that social policy reforms in the UK, particularly around disability support, were contributing to 100,000+ excess deaths in the UK, and everyone wrote it off as irrelevant leftie anti-British nonsense because there aren’t any DWP death squads kicking in people’s doors?
Guess you could sum it up as it’s just what we voted for innit
Poor quality of life standards. Poor diets, high workload, long hours at work, minimal downtime and to top it off a poor health service.
In theory death rates should be lower as a lot of people who were weak and vulnerable have died say 5-10 years before they were supposed to.
This is happening across Europe and the Western world, not just the UK btw.
An uncaring and greedy government and a totally apathetic population is why. Look no further.
What are the causes of death though? We must know that. Surely people are not mysteriously dropping dead. Is it illness, disease, what?
How long ago was the whole BSE/Mad cow disease thing? That’s got a fairly long incubation period in humans right?
Could it be because of the aging baby boomers and the obesity epidemic?
The NHS being absolutely shit doesn’t help to be honest. It’s long term care and primary prevention care is quite poor. GPs are like rocking horse shit now.
Question, is anyone actually just lost all faith in the NHS and considering private health insurance?
I know we pay taxes so it should be decent care and we should not have to etc etc
But we are where we are and health is more important that a principal.
Just looking at these comments… how screwed would we all be if we lost the NHS some of these ops im reading that people need would cost 10s of thousands of pounds – which I’m sure none of them could afford privately or they would go down that route.
Protect the nhs at all cost
What happened to all that Brexit money we were promised for the NHS? What did they say? 350 million a WEEK?
Jabs overpopulation so cant get a jp cant get dental cant get seen over 1millon more people come over in a year cant keep up with building houses because too many people coming over and its only going to get worst
> we don’t really have any idea why
> he highlighted two key reasons that could contribute towards spiking excess deaths, the fact Britain’s getting older, and gaining a larger average body-mass index
How are these news sites allowed to print this garbage?? The headline is literally a lie, as proven by the article itself
My mother was feeling unwell yesterday morning and we had to have an ambulance out which took her into A&E (Nottingham QMC). I followed in my car. I was surprised at the state of the hospital, it was crazy. Long queues for all car parks (most full), in the end I had to park around 10 mins walk away.
All corridors to A&E urgent care area were full of trolleys with many ambulance crews waiting for handover. We waited around 2 hours in corridor to be assessed and then moved to urgent care ward in which all bays were full and trolleys were just placed in middle walkways wherever there was space. Seemed proper chaotic. Nurse told me it wasn’t actually that busy that day!
I still believe that, if you’re dying, the NHS will look after you. I also believe that, for anything else, you’re on your own. Wait, or go private.
Some advice for those approaching retirement – When you retire, instead of taking that 25% tax free pension pot and going on a world cruise or buying a jet ski, keep it for the private operation you might need.
Let’s privatise the NHS that will surely fix the problem adopt the US health care system of cheaper to die and cheaper to replace aswell really conserving life like it matters sigh /s
I called my doctors for an appointment last week.
Automaded speech
‘you are number 100 in the queue. This call had been terminated’.
If by some miracle you manage to speak to someone, you have to explain your symptoms to a receptionist who will then decide whether you are worthy of one of those appointments you pay tax and ni for.
This is bullshit. I’ve seen this exact headline before but with Americans are dying blah blah.
I’m currently being treated for a condition that is something that lies dormant in your body until something triggers it. It’s pretty debilitating in all cases but in some, it can be more extreme/life changing/life threatening.
In my case it’s debilitating, but I appear to be on the less affected side of the spectrum. It’s also a nightmare to.diagnose as the symptoms are other in isolation medical conditions brought on by the illness. I was lucky as the specialists knew about this illness, and aligned tests to rule out/confirm a diagnosis. It took just over 6 months. Others it has taken years just to diagnose.
The only thing that could have triggered it was COVID, as I’ve otherwise had no health issues or concerns. I had COVID twice last year after managing to avoid it (despite being front line) since day 1. Initial symptoms were not great, but could have been a number of things, but under GP care. Symptoms developed further post the 2nd bout. That’s when alarm bells started ringing and I sought medical help. GP put me up for urgent scans and the rest is as above.
There could be a mix of this in the pool, as well as people who have missed operations/tests that unfortunately have t been seen in time.
So whilst it’s not COVID that’s made me Ill, it was the trigger. I do wonder what else it could trigger, even more common health conditions maybe?
I am really not surprised. Cost of living crisis, ridiculous mortgages, low wages. whats to enjoy about life when you have £0 wages left or go into an overdraft after paying just necessary bills. it doesnt surprise me at all
Probably down to people needing to choose between feeding themselves, putting the heating on or having fuel to get to work.
Not to mention the woefully understaffed, underfunded NHS. The insane wait times, the delayed operations, referrals, etc. The fact that GP Doctors don’t actually want to see anyone anymore so much so they are prescribing antibiotics over the phone rather than seeing the actual issue as happened with my partner a few weeks ago. Did he need them who knows because two weeks later the issue resolved itself even though it persisted after the meds were finished.
If they can find millions for a golden carriage for some old twat to roll down the street in surely they can properly fund the NHS and take care of their people.. no? didn’t think so..
I think we all know the answer to this deep down…no point pretending that we don’t…..
Maybe a rushed vaccine for a fake virus might have something to do with it
It really is a difficult one. Probably nothing to do with a overworked NHS, or increased waiting times to see a doctor or have tests made.
No the reason must be something else but your guess is as good as mine 😂
I’m still waiting on an abortion, the little shits nearly 2 now ffs 😂 😂
I haven’t bee non able to see a doctor in person since lockdown. Could this be something to do with it? I’m currently very sick and have been since I contracted COVID almost two years ago
Spend a decade destroying public services, destroying people’s lives and then get slammed by a pandemic and guess what…
Yeah more people die. There’s no single reason, but there are dozens of compounding factors.
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Great headline to bring the crazies out of the woodwork … but apart from that, could it have _anything_ to do with the overburdened and underfunded NHS, social care, and support system? Nah!
Well in Northern Ireland our NHS waiting list is 700000 people deep.
Mystery solved.
Maybe this has something to do with Sunak’s pledge to cut NHS waiting lists?
Dead person is one person less waiting.
> “The population is getting older, and also the population in Britain is the fattest in Europe and rather vulnerable to diseases notably heart disease and diabetes; some people have been forecasting separately from Covid that death rates would continue to get worse because the country is so unhealthy,” he said.
> One of the noted causes behind a number of the excess deaths were ischaemic heart diseases – which would track with the professor’s warnings of a fatter population.
> Similarly, when looking at the leading cause of death across much of 2022, it’s dementia and Alzheimers – further supporting theories of an increasingly greying, and dying, population.
Clickbait headline is clickbait. And no one here read further. I’m shocked.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a deadly virus is knocking around
Quite a good article drawing out details on why current measuring isn’t comparing like with like (or recording a specific cause of death in many cases).
We do know why though. Wealth inequality is huge, access to decent healthcare is a postcode lottery, people live unhealthy lifestyles that exacerbate minor conditions, there is a huge post-COVID backlog that is not getting any shorter, both the NHS and social care are falling apart…There is no one reason but we know of plenty as to why people are dying prematurely and from treatable/preventable illnesses. We just have a government who do not want to deal with those issues, as well as a public who are happy to vote to keep that party in power.
There are some serious studies going on around this increase at the moment….Best to leave speculation and await the professionals opinion when the latest figures are released… There is definitely a massive uptick that has got health professionals concerned.
*From May to December last year, there were 32,441 excess deaths in England and Wales,* ***excluding*** *deaths from Covid. ….according to Office for National Statistics*
Is it possible the lockdowns had a significant impact on how active people were, and some people just never returned to their former levels of activity in the post-pandemic world?
Of course it’s just anecdotal evidence, but I know several people who put on a bit of weight back in 2020 and have just been down hill since.
Either way, even if that were the case, I don’t know if that would cause such an increase in deaths.
here’s my guesses where to look
long covid
stresses on people due to lockdown
NHS chaos
Something adverse due to the covid vaccine
The fact that we don’t know why says it all. These people are dying because they’ve slipped under the radar. Hospital funding is cut, social care is cut, the old systems for keeping an eye on the vulnerable are gone. Society doesn’t notice that something’s wrong until their dead body gets reported by a relative or neighbour.
That’s kinda what happens when the NHS is on its knees. Give it another year or two and it will be “the only way we can save the NHS is to privatise it”.
When you look outside and it’s grey for 8 months in a row, you just want to die sooner
Covid left me with a heart condition. It can and should be treated with a simple procedure within 2 weeks of being diagnosed. The longer left untreated, the less likely the chances of success. That was in Dec 2020 – still waiting for my treatment on the NHS. I imagine there must be hundreds of thousands of people in the UK in similar or worse scenarios.
A novel virus was allowed to rip through society, first without understanding the nature of it (it’s just a respiratory infection!!!oh whoops no actually damages every organ in the body and thickens the blood vessells but we’re going to pretend it’s respiratory only for the next 2 years) and we will only understand the more broader, lastng effects of catching and surviving it as the years come by, Maybe this is the start of “The years” coming by. Oh and we have more mutations now of this virus, and society is even more keen on letting it pass through the whole society to the point where vulnerble sick poeple are being removed from hospitals when they ask nurses and doctors to please wear a mask for their own safety. Yes it’s a big mystery what people might be dying from…
People tried some wierd experimental drugs, some not designed for humans to take, and that probably didn’t do them any good….
People who were already sick got even sicker waiting for treatment and care.
Doctors are purposefully ignoring conditions and health problems which might be caught by vigorous testing, for reasons i don’t understand but there’s no other explanation as to why a girl can go see her doctor for blood in her stool five times and being told it’s poor diet, stress, IBS and IBD, with no blood tests, before going to A+E and being diagnosed with bowel cancer there, at the hospital
People have been cut off from being able to contact their GP at a timely fashion, so they give up completely and don’t see the doctor. The one problem per appointment gets in the way of the patient discussing a multi-system problem. The one problem per appointment means the doctor may focus on the wrong symptom because the patient doesn’t think the other symptoms warrant a mention because they don’t realise it’s the same health problem, and when they do go back to discuss the other problem, it’s another doctor who doesn’t have time to read the notes so treats the second symptom as a seperate thing.
If a pensioner goes in for back pain and swollen fingers in seperate appointments, the first doctor will hear back pain and probably refer to physio, and the second doctor will do a pee test and send off for a blood test. And then the pensioner suddenly dies of a heart attack before they get the blood test because those symptoms combined can be heart failure.
Remember when the UN and the BMA were pointing out in the late 2010s that social policy reforms in the UK, particularly around disability support, were contributing to 100,000+ excess deaths in the UK, and everyone wrote it off as irrelevant leftie anti-British nonsense because there aren’t any DWP death squads kicking in people’s doors?
Guess you could sum it up as it’s just what we voted for innit
Poor quality of life standards. Poor diets, high workload, long hours at work, minimal downtime and to top it off a poor health service.
In theory death rates should be lower as a lot of people who were weak and vulnerable have died say 5-10 years before they were supposed to.
This is happening across Europe and the Western world, not just the UK btw.
An uncaring and greedy government and a totally apathetic population is why. Look no further.
What are the causes of death though? We must know that. Surely people are not mysteriously dropping dead. Is it illness, disease, what?
How long ago was the whole BSE/Mad cow disease thing? That’s got a fairly long incubation period in humans right?
Could it be because of the aging baby boomers and the obesity epidemic?
The NHS being absolutely shit doesn’t help to be honest. It’s long term care and primary prevention care is quite poor. GPs are like rocking horse shit now.
Question, is anyone actually just lost all faith in the NHS and considering private health insurance?
I know we pay taxes so it should be decent care and we should not have to etc etc
But we are where we are and health is more important that a principal.
Just looking at these comments… how screwed would we all be if we lost the NHS some of these ops im reading that people need would cost 10s of thousands of pounds – which I’m sure none of them could afford privately or they would go down that route.
Protect the nhs at all cost
What happened to all that Brexit money we were promised for the NHS? What did they say? 350 million a WEEK?
Jabs overpopulation so cant get a jp cant get dental cant get seen over 1millon more people come over in a year cant keep up with building houses because too many people coming over and its only going to get worst
> we don’t really have any idea why
> he highlighted two key reasons that could contribute towards spiking excess deaths, the fact Britain’s getting older, and gaining a larger average body-mass index
How are these news sites allowed to print this garbage?? The headline is literally a lie, as proven by the article itself
My mother was feeling unwell yesterday morning and we had to have an ambulance out which took her into A&E (Nottingham QMC). I followed in my car. I was surprised at the state of the hospital, it was crazy. Long queues for all car parks (most full), in the end I had to park around 10 mins walk away.
All corridors to A&E urgent care area were full of trolleys with many ambulance crews waiting for handover. We waited around 2 hours in corridor to be assessed and then moved to urgent care ward in which all bays were full and trolleys were just placed in middle walkways wherever there was space. Seemed proper chaotic. Nurse told me it wasn’t actually that busy that day!
I still believe that, if you’re dying, the NHS will look after you. I also believe that, for anything else, you’re on your own. Wait, or go private.
Some advice for those approaching retirement – When you retire, instead of taking that 25% tax free pension pot and going on a world cruise or buying a jet ski, keep it for the private operation you might need.
Let’s privatise the NHS that will surely fix the problem adopt the US health care system of cheaper to die and cheaper to replace aswell really conserving life like it matters sigh /s
I called my doctors for an appointment last week.
Automaded speech
‘you are number 100 in the queue. This call had been terminated’.
If by some miracle you manage to speak to someone, you have to explain your symptoms to a receptionist who will then decide whether you are worthy of one of those appointments you pay tax and ni for.
This is bullshit. I’ve seen this exact headline before but with Americans are dying blah blah.
I’m currently being treated for a condition that is something that lies dormant in your body until something triggers it. It’s pretty debilitating in all cases but in some, it can be more extreme/life changing/life threatening.
In my case it’s debilitating, but I appear to be on the less affected side of the spectrum. It’s also a nightmare to.diagnose as the symptoms are other in isolation medical conditions brought on by the illness. I was lucky as the specialists knew about this illness, and aligned tests to rule out/confirm a diagnosis. It took just over 6 months. Others it has taken years just to diagnose.
The only thing that could have triggered it was COVID, as I’ve otherwise had no health issues or concerns. I had COVID twice last year after managing to avoid it (despite being front line) since day 1. Initial symptoms were not great, but could have been a number of things, but under GP care. Symptoms developed further post the 2nd bout. That’s when alarm bells started ringing and I sought medical help. GP put me up for urgent scans and the rest is as above.
There could be a mix of this in the pool, as well as people who have missed operations/tests that unfortunately have t been seen in time.
So whilst it’s not COVID that’s made me Ill, it was the trigger. I do wonder what else it could trigger, even more common health conditions maybe?
I am really not surprised. Cost of living crisis, ridiculous mortgages, low wages. whats to enjoy about life when you have £0 wages left or go into an overdraft after paying just necessary bills. it doesnt surprise me at all
[excess deaths in UK ](https://youtu.be/qiWj9Jf2o-I)
Probably down to people needing to choose between feeding themselves, putting the heating on or having fuel to get to work.
Not to mention the woefully understaffed, underfunded NHS. The insane wait times, the delayed operations, referrals, etc. The fact that GP Doctors don’t actually want to see anyone anymore so much so they are prescribing antibiotics over the phone rather than seeing the actual issue as happened with my partner a few weeks ago. Did he need them who knows because two weeks later the issue resolved itself even though it persisted after the meds were finished.
If they can find millions for a golden carriage for some old twat to roll down the street in surely they can properly fund the NHS and take care of their people.. no? didn’t think so..
I think we all know the answer to this deep down…no point pretending that we don’t…..
We all know why but can’t say it for fear of admonishment, it’s also not just a British problem but also [across Europe](https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/03/11/excess-morality-rates-what-do-they-tell-us-about-the-state-of-public-health-in-europe). It’s especially noticeable against countries who let’s just say don’t have the medical resources of the West.
Maybe a rushed vaccine for a fake virus might have something to do with it
It really is a difficult one. Probably nothing to do with a overworked NHS, or increased waiting times to see a doctor or have tests made.
No the reason must be something else but your guess is as good as mine 😂
I’m still waiting on an abortion, the little shits nearly 2 now ffs 😂 😂
I haven’t bee non able to see a doctor in person since lockdown. Could this be something to do with it? I’m currently very sick and have been since I contracted COVID almost two years ago
Spend a decade destroying public services, destroying people’s lives and then get slammed by a pandemic and guess what…
Yeah more people die. There’s no single reason, but there are dozens of compounding factors.