“Don’t expect another Mikhail Gorbachev. Instead, we could well be looking at a protracted scenario of chaos, violence, rebellion and repression, with fighting between the Russian army, national guard, security services, the plethora of private armies and perhaps Prighozin’s vision of mobs on the streets with pitchforks. Even if it doesn’t collapse into ethnic fiefdoms, it will be fought over by competing hardliners incensed by the betrayal of their forces by a corrupt elite.
None of this might happen of course, but we should remember that the disintegration of the Soviet Union was unexpected both in scale and speed; it was too big to fail. If, however, something like it does come to pass, the fall of the Russian Federation might diminish the present threat it presents to European and global security.
But this time, let’s not hear any talk of “peace dividends”, because we can be certain of one thing – Russia will rebuild itself and once again come out fighting”.
Torygraph detached from reality as always
Prigozhin has no popular base and is wholly subservient to Putin. His men who died are perceived as horrible criminals, which is why the Russian public doesn’t care about the extreme amount of casualties. Dreaming about another Russian revolution seems very much implausible and wouldn’t bode well for anybody. Just imagine the amount of chaos when Russian nukes are suddenly up for grabs.
Current Russia has been already horrifying enough to its neighbours
I think thats the whole problem with Russia, “we can be certain of thing – Russia will rebuild itself” etc don;t come out fighting come out Like Germany did, nobody hates “Russia” we just hate the nutcases that always seem to run it.
Come out as modern and in friendship people will embrace you as a country and as a people.
Unlikely to happen. That being said, if the potential conflict does not spillover to the neighbouring countries and nukes are not used, then they can kill eachother as they please. After all, a weak Russia means that Eastern European countries are safer
Unlikely to happen. That being said, if the potential conflict does not spillover to the neighbouring countries and nukes are not used, then they can kill eachother as they please. After all, a weak Russia means that Eastern European countries are safer
Good. Russia must be dismantled. Who better to dismantle it than Russians?
Uk and trying to stir shit up, who would have guesed
*orders tons of popcorn*
It can’t be any worse than what they’re already doing in my country. The sooner the better.
There will be no revolution in Russia because there are no people capable of it at least from demographic perspective. 40+ propaganda enjoyers are not revolutionary staff. You need angry youth for such things and the youth is either dying in trenches or runs away.
Often times it seems like Prigozhin is a double agent and working to weaken the Kremlin. Interested to see what eventually becomes of him.
What will happen is that the facade of democracy will fall off and we will be looking at a failed country or cartel run country with many cartels competing against each other. Same as in Mexico, same as in Colombia or Honduras. There is no Gorbatchev and opposition will be very weak after 30 years of persecution.
Massive problem will be the fact that some of the 10 000 nuclear war-heads may end up on the black market. Or we will see the raise of cartels with nuclear weapons.
we’re celebrating early, huh
It must be far beyond horrifying because it’s already horrifying
Oh cool, an opinion article by Richard Kemp, a man who has said that British soldiers should be immune to criticism or legal action for anything and everything they did in Northern Ireland, Afghanistan, and Iraq. I’m sure he’ll have a level-headed take /s
Telegraph, masters of propaganda. What revolution?
Don’t expect a democratic Russia.
When is the last time Russia had a real, stable democracy? Because I certainly wouldn’t call the 90s stable for Russia.
If Putin is killed or dies some other oligarch who does not want to lose their caviar and mega yacht lifestyle will take over and nothing will change.
Let’s see they history
* Last revolution bring the fall of the URSS and the Russia that let Putin got in power
* Previous bring the URSS
* Previous bring the Tzar end and the Bolchevique revolution
* And I the previous put the Tzar in power
They are fckd up regardless propaganda or not
It’s like a collapsing building. To save the surroundings, let it collapse to the inside.
Russians didn’t revolt when regime was sending them on gulag in literal millions,they shure won’t do now.
Just going off the headline, I’m gonna guess the Telegraph is trying to scare people again
There will be no revolution. Every revolution is precedential and there are not enough providing factors for it this time.
Assumption that there will be no democracy tendency is also too pessimistic. After every war there is longing for peace, because people are tired of fights. And new leader to hold and strengthen power must ensure that there will be peace
People tend to forget easily, just imagine thar in the latest elections here in Greece the communist party got more than… 7%!
A party of a proven failed political systen still gets 7% in a Western country in 2023.
Bad times ahead of us.
“Instead, we could well be looking at a protracted scenario of chaos, violence, rebellion and repression, with fighting between the Russian army, national guard, security services, the plethora of private armies and perhaps Prighozin’s vision of mobs on the streets with pitchforks. Even if it doesn’t collapse into ethnic fiefdoms, it will be fought over by competing hardliners incensed by the betrayal of their forces by a corrupt elite”
Sounds amazing, can we please also throw in catastrophic failures, increased criminal activity, famine and a severe drop in quality of medical care? As long as neighboring countries can keep their borders safe I am all for as much chaos and suffering in that cancer of a country.
There will be no revolution in the Russian Federation. With the way that nation is going, it will probably be broken up like the Austro-Hungarian Empire. That would be a good thing.
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“Don’t expect another Mikhail Gorbachev. Instead, we could well be looking at a protracted scenario of chaos, violence, rebellion and repression, with fighting between the Russian army, national guard, security services, the plethora of private armies and perhaps Prighozin’s vision of mobs on the streets with pitchforks. Even if it doesn’t collapse into ethnic fiefdoms, it will be fought over by competing hardliners incensed by the betrayal of their forces by a corrupt elite.
None of this might happen of course, but we should remember that the disintegration of the Soviet Union was unexpected both in scale and speed; it was too big to fail. If, however, something like it does come to pass, the fall of the Russian Federation might diminish the present threat it presents to European and global security.
But this time, let’s not hear any talk of “peace dividends”, because we can be certain of one thing – Russia will rebuild itself and once again come out fighting”.
Torygraph detached from reality as always
Prigozhin has no popular base and is wholly subservient to Putin. His men who died are perceived as horrible criminals, which is why the Russian public doesn’t care about the extreme amount of casualties. Dreaming about another Russian revolution seems very much implausible and wouldn’t bode well for anybody. Just imagine the amount of chaos when Russian nukes are suddenly up for grabs.
Current Russia has been already horrifying enough to its neighbours
I think thats the whole problem with Russia, “we can be certain of thing – Russia will rebuild itself” etc don;t come out fighting come out Like Germany did, nobody hates “Russia” we just hate the nutcases that always seem to run it.
Come out as modern and in friendship people will embrace you as a country and as a people.
Unlikely to happen. That being said, if the potential conflict does not spillover to the neighbouring countries and nukes are not used, then they can kill eachother as they please. After all, a weak Russia means that Eastern European countries are safer
Unlikely to happen. That being said, if the potential conflict does not spillover to the neighbouring countries and nukes are not used, then they can kill eachother as they please. After all, a weak Russia means that Eastern European countries are safer
Good. Russia must be dismantled. Who better to dismantle it than Russians?
Uk and trying to stir shit up, who would have guesed
*orders tons of popcorn*
It can’t be any worse than what they’re already doing in my country. The sooner the better.
There will be no revolution in Russia because there are no people capable of it at least from demographic perspective. 40+ propaganda enjoyers are not revolutionary staff. You need angry youth for such things and the youth is either dying in trenches or runs away.
Often times it seems like Prigozhin is a double agent and working to weaken the Kremlin. Interested to see what eventually becomes of him.
What will happen is that the facade of democracy will fall off and we will be looking at a failed country or cartel run country with many cartels competing against each other. Same as in Mexico, same as in Colombia or Honduras. There is no Gorbatchev and opposition will be very weak after 30 years of persecution.
Massive problem will be the fact that some of the 10 000 nuclear war-heads may end up on the black market. Or we will see the raise of cartels with nuclear weapons.
we’re celebrating early, huh
It must be far beyond horrifying because it’s already horrifying
Oh cool, an opinion article by Richard Kemp, a man who has said that British soldiers should be immune to criticism or legal action for anything and everything they did in Northern Ireland, Afghanistan, and Iraq. I’m sure he’ll have a level-headed take /s
Telegraph, masters of propaganda. What revolution?
Don’t expect a democratic Russia.
When is the last time Russia had a real, stable democracy? Because I certainly wouldn’t call the 90s stable for Russia.
If Putin is killed or dies some other oligarch who does not want to lose their caviar and mega yacht lifestyle will take over and nothing will change.
Let’s see they history
* Last revolution bring the fall of the URSS and the Russia that let Putin got in power
* Previous bring the URSS
* Previous bring the Tzar end and the Bolchevique revolution
* And I the previous put the Tzar in power
They are fckd up regardless propaganda or not
It’s like a collapsing building. To save the surroundings, let it collapse to the inside.
Russians didn’t revolt when regime was sending them on gulag in literal millions,they shure won’t do now.
Just going off the headline, I’m gonna guess the Telegraph is trying to scare people again
There will be no revolution. Every revolution is precedential and there are not enough providing factors for it this time.
Assumption that there will be no democracy tendency is also too pessimistic. After every war there is longing for peace, because people are tired of fights. And new leader to hold and strengthen power must ensure that there will be peace
People tend to forget easily, just imagine thar in the latest elections here in Greece the communist party got more than… 7%!
A party of a proven failed political systen still gets 7% in a Western country in 2023.
Bad times ahead of us.
“Instead, we could well be looking at a protracted scenario of chaos, violence, rebellion and repression, with fighting between the Russian army, national guard, security services, the plethora of private armies and perhaps Prighozin’s vision of mobs on the streets with pitchforks. Even if it doesn’t collapse into ethnic fiefdoms, it will be fought over by competing hardliners incensed by the betrayal of their forces by a corrupt elite”
Sounds amazing, can we please also throw in catastrophic failures, increased criminal activity, famine and a severe drop in quality of medical care? As long as neighboring countries can keep their borders safe I am all for as much chaos and suffering in that cancer of a country.
There will be no revolution in the Russian Federation. With the way that nation is going, it will probably be broken up like the Austro-Hungarian Empire. That would be a good thing.