Can anyone help me learn more about this family crest?
2023-05-21
My grandfather owns a large porcelain tea set all of which have this crest on it. I was wondering if anyone might have some more information about it or perhaps someone owns a similar set of porcelain?
I should mention that his family name is Radanovics. He’s on my mother’s side of the family so it slipped my mind to mention that earlier
The name is there, Hüttl Tivadar. He was an astro-hungarian porcelain maker who made later on a factory. As it seems this came from that factory for sure.
I looked to the closest one what is almost look like this and this is probably cost around between 15-20$.
It looks like a custom made porcrlain.
Back then it was in fashion to put “your sigil” on pircelain, woodwork and other furniture.
I think if it would be mass produced, it should have more graphic on it like flowers
Google: magyar családi címerek
let’s get the pedantic details right out of the way. the intertwining letters ARM are not technically a crest, they are more like a fancy monogram, it would seem. although you are right that normally if you have a full coat of arms then the crest part would be put on such items as cups. the highlighted R refers to Radanovics I presume, but I couldn’t find any local sources on the family. furthermore the five pearled crown denotes Baron in heraldry, but again, I did not find any Radanovics family among the listed nobles. plus if they were indeed barons then they would have a full coat of arms achievement which means that the proper crest could have been put on the cup. my suspicion is that your ancestor wanted some cool swag for home and he followed the rule of cool with the design. as such it is probably made for this set only, because yeah, as others mentioned, porcelain manufacturers do take custom commissions, even today
edit: okay, so I was only partially right. turns out that while the five pearled crown indeed was used to denote barons this changed in Hungary in the 17th century and later on lower nobility started using them. so this would explain why there weren’t any Baron Radanovicses, and the lower nobility had way more members. difference between them could have been huge, financially. the creme were powerful landowners, those at the botton were barely distinguishable from ordinary citizens. think lawyers, medical practicioners, postmasters; or they may have served as stewards to higher nobility. as this is a porcelain set we can safely assume that the five pearled crown refers to traditions used after the 17th century. that being said even a lower noble house would have had a coat of arms, so my point in the previous paragraph stands, it looks cool, hence why it was designed this way. or, perhaps at one point the family was indeed considered noble, then they lost the privileges and the five pearled coronet is an acknowledgement of the past
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Clearly the arm family, as opposed to the legs family
Have you tried to google translate this article:
[https://web.archive.org/web/20180215023513/http://ceramictopic.com/?p=463](https://web.archive.org/web/20180215023513/http://ceramictopic.com/?p=463)
I should mention that his family name is Radanovics. He’s on my mother’s side of the family so it slipped my mind to mention that earlier
The name is there, Hüttl Tivadar. He was an astro-hungarian porcelain maker who made later on a factory. As it seems this came from that factory for sure.
I looked to the closest one what is almost look like this and this is probably cost around between 15-20$.
It looks like a custom made porcrlain.
Back then it was in fashion to put “your sigil” on pircelain, woodwork and other furniture.
I think if it would be mass produced, it should have more graphic on it like flowers
Google: magyar családi címerek
let’s get the pedantic details right out of the way. the intertwining letters ARM are not technically a crest, they are more like a fancy monogram, it would seem. although you are right that normally if you have a full coat of arms then the crest part would be put on such items as cups. the highlighted R refers to Radanovics I presume, but I couldn’t find any local sources on the family. furthermore the five pearled crown denotes Baron in heraldry, but again, I did not find any Radanovics family among the listed nobles. plus if they were indeed barons then they would have a full coat of arms achievement which means that the proper crest could have been put on the cup. my suspicion is that your ancestor wanted some cool swag for home and he followed the rule of cool with the design. as such it is probably made for this set only, because yeah, as others mentioned, porcelain manufacturers do take custom commissions, even today
edit: okay, so I was only partially right. turns out that while the five pearled crown indeed was used to denote barons this changed in Hungary in the 17th century and later on lower nobility started using them. so this would explain why there weren’t any Baron Radanovicses, and the lower nobility had way more members. difference between them could have been huge, financially. the creme were powerful landowners, those at the botton were barely distinguishable from ordinary citizens. think lawyers, medical practicioners, postmasters; or they may have served as stewards to higher nobility. as this is a porcelain set we can safely assume that the five pearled crown refers to traditions used after the 17th century. that being said even a lower noble house would have had a coat of arms, so my point in the previous paragraph stands, it looks cool, hence why it was designed this way. or, perhaps at one point the family was indeed considered noble, then they lost the privileges and the five pearled coronet is an acknowledgement of the past