I’d be embarrassed for parents sending teens to something like this. I imagine that’s the only demographic for these places, because how could an adult willingly sign themselves up for it.
Sounds good but I’m curious how they define conversion therapy as there has been some creep in the meaning of that term.
I might not understand their lifestyle choices, but if gay people want to kick a rugby ball for therapeutic reasons, I say good for them.
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In all seriousness though, great news, this stuff is fucking barbaric, and we should be suspicious of any group pushing this sort of agenda. We do not need a rise in the type of creepy backwards evangelism that we see across the pond.
Does it even happen in Ireland? Genuine question. I’ve never heard of it in Europe.
As a queer individual I’m gonna ask the important question. Is conversion therapy still legal for Lyon’s drinkers?
Can we keep the conversion therapy part though and just make it for bigots?
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If anyone here is worried about this ban effecting therapists abilities yo discuss doubt or feelings with their clients don’t be.
Banning conversion therapy does not effect this.
It stops thereists from favouring any particular outcome for a client.
It’s why every major psychotherapeutic body supports a ban on conversion therapy and why those who don’t are basically all extremely homophobic or transphobic.
What’s the moral difference between banning this but allowing gender reassignment surgery?
Not asking in bad faith just open to hearing opinions
Very specific hypothetical that I’m interested to know the answer to:
So those “ex-gay” people, who claim as adults to successfully do the whole conversion therapy thing (the only famous name coming to mind is Milo Yiannopoulis: remember that guy? Ancient history now, lol) and say they have prayed/psychologied the gay away.
If they willingly, as adults, wanted to pray the gay away, would these laws prohibit that? Is it set up to make the action/intention itself illegal, or is the law based around informed consent?
I kinda doubt there’ll ever be a legal precedent established for this kind of statement, given how few people this would realistically apply to, so I’m kinda curious to know how people think it would go.
Crazy it’s still legal. Should’ve been banned when gay marriages were made legal; “We’ll allow you to marry each other but we’ll still try to persuade you not to”
Thing about this, I don’t understand. Pray away the gay v medicalise the gay away. Seem very close.
Both seem awful.
Good. They’re making a complete mess of this issue next door in the UK so it will be nice if we can get this sorted before the anti-trans culture war brain rot has time to grow.
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Wait a sec…. this wasn’t already illegal?
Is counselling considered to be conversion therapy ?
About time too!
It wasn’t already? What the hell?
I’m trans and I attended a psychiatrist in Ireland and the recommendation of a friend of mine, I’ve been to a psychologist in Australia for over two years so I knew I had gender dysphoria, The problem was it was ruining my marriage because my partner didn’t want to be with me if I was going to transition And I was depressed all the time as a consequence and suffering from panic attacks from the dysphoria. I was going through some very dark days.
So my friend said he knew this guy and I knew he would be from some manner of a Christian background because my friend was a fairly conservative Catholic. I suppose the thing I was looking for was clarity in the diagnosis and a bit of support and compassion in going forward. But I found that every time I was going to him;, every time I just realized I felt worse and worse: more guilt, more shame. And about the fourth time that I saw him, I asked him straight out what did he think was going on and he said that he thought that I had gender dysphoria; And I was like “Thank God” and he said “why”, “because the treatment for that really is transition, nothing else in the literature works”. And he was just like “well. It seems like you’ve chosen that path”. He didn’t agree the transition was a solution at all, and essentially that I was doing the wrong thing.
And after that as we were talking and I asked him how he knew my friend He told me that he himself was the secretary for Opus Dei and that was how he knew him, and I realised that exactly why I was feeling so bad.
2 years on from that and I’ve transitioned medically and socially and I’m back in the room. I like my body. I can exercise again my friends have been so supportive and my relationships with my family and my friends have deepened. It Feels like a 30 kilo weight I was carrying every single day is off of my back. My marriage has failed, and I still grieve that. But I’m going to be ok. Life remains complicated but at least I’m able to live in it now and meet the challenges.
Anyway thanks for reading
Good
About time.
Though the paper of record here was happy to platform a group of people and give them a page in their paper defending the practice of conversion therapy on trans people !
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Nice for some positive news on a Monday!
Good
This shit is legal now? What?
I’d be embarrassed for parents sending teens to something like this. I imagine that’s the only demographic for these places, because how could an adult willingly sign themselves up for it.
Sounds good but I’m curious how they define conversion therapy as there has been some creep in the meaning of that term.
I might not understand their lifestyle choices, but if gay people want to kick a rugby ball for therapeutic reasons, I say good for them.
​
In all seriousness though, great news, this stuff is fucking barbaric, and we should be suspicious of any group pushing this sort of agenda. We do not need a rise in the type of creepy backwards evangelism that we see across the pond.
Does it even happen in Ireland? Genuine question. I’ve never heard of it in Europe.
As a queer individual I’m gonna ask the important question. Is conversion therapy still legal for Lyon’s drinkers?
Can we keep the conversion therapy part though and just make it for bigots?
[deleted]
If anyone here is worried about this ban effecting therapists abilities yo discuss doubt or feelings with their clients don’t be.
Banning conversion therapy does not effect this.
It stops thereists from favouring any particular outcome for a client.
It’s why every major psychotherapeutic body supports a ban on conversion therapy and why those who don’t are basically all extremely homophobic or transphobic.
What’s the moral difference between banning this but allowing gender reassignment surgery?
Not asking in bad faith just open to hearing opinions
Very specific hypothetical that I’m interested to know the answer to:
So those “ex-gay” people, who claim as adults to successfully do the whole conversion therapy thing (the only famous name coming to mind is Milo Yiannopoulis: remember that guy? Ancient history now, lol) and say they have prayed/psychologied the gay away.
If they willingly, as adults, wanted to pray the gay away, would these laws prohibit that? Is it set up to make the action/intention itself illegal, or is the law based around informed consent?
I kinda doubt there’ll ever be a legal precedent established for this kind of statement, given how few people this would realistically apply to, so I’m kinda curious to know how people think it would go.
Crazy it’s still legal. Should’ve been banned when gay marriages were made legal; “We’ll allow you to marry each other but we’ll still try to persuade you not to”
Thing about this, I don’t understand. Pray away the gay v medicalise the gay away. Seem very close.
Both seem awful.
Good. They’re making a complete mess of this issue next door in the UK so it will be nice if we can get this sorted before the anti-trans culture war brain rot has time to grow.
[removed]
[deleted]
Wait a sec…. this wasn’t already illegal?
Is counselling considered to be conversion therapy ?
About time too!
It wasn’t already? What the hell?
I’m trans and I attended a psychiatrist in Ireland and the recommendation of a friend of mine, I’ve been to a psychologist in Australia for over two years so I knew I had gender dysphoria, The problem was it was ruining my marriage because my partner didn’t want to be with me if I was going to transition And I was depressed all the time as a consequence and suffering from panic attacks from the dysphoria. I was going through some very dark days.
So my friend said he knew this guy and I knew he would be from some manner of a Christian background because my friend was a fairly conservative Catholic. I suppose the thing I was looking for was clarity in the diagnosis and a bit of support and compassion in going forward. But I found that every time I was going to him;, every time I just realized I felt worse and worse: more guilt, more shame. And about the fourth time that I saw him, I asked him straight out what did he think was going on and he said that he thought that I had gender dysphoria; And I was like “Thank God” and he said “why”, “because the treatment for that really is transition, nothing else in the literature works”. And he was just like “well. It seems like you’ve chosen that path”. He didn’t agree the transition was a solution at all, and essentially that I was doing the wrong thing.
And after that as we were talking and I asked him how he knew my friend He told me that he himself was the secretary for Opus Dei and that was how he knew him, and I realised that exactly why I was feeling so bad.
2 years on from that and I’ve transitioned medically and socially and I’m back in the room. I like my body. I can exercise again my friends have been so supportive and my relationships with my family and my friends have deepened. It Feels like a 30 kilo weight I was carrying every single day is off of my back. My marriage has failed, and I still grieve that. But I’m going to be ok. Life remains complicated but at least I’m able to live in it now and meet the challenges.
Anyway thanks for reading
Good
About time.
Though the paper of record here was happy to platform a group of people and give them a page in their paper defending the practice of conversion therapy on trans people !
[https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/bill-to-ban-conversion-therapy-poses-problems-for-therapists-1.4642164](https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/bill-to-ban-conversion-therapy-poses-problems-for-therapists-1.4642164)
Epic 😎
I think it should still be an option if people want to change