Corrupt government; greedy bosses (low wages); extremely high prices on the housing market; inflation on record highs. Etc, etc.
I think it’s not just that we have low wages and bad health and school systems. It’s that we see other European countries better than we are, or improving, and we have no hope that it gets better for us, as things are getting worse and there is nothing being done to counter that
So, where to start:
– Poor labour management with a culture that if you don’t do extra hours you are not putting in an effort.
– Very low wages that have lost a lot against inflation decreasing the consumer power of the average Portuguese.
– Exploitative or cartel-like policies from supermarkets and telecoms that increase the prices to stupid high margins with little to no consequence.
– A broken political system that tends to the needs of the elderly (who are becoming the majority) and thus gives little to no hope for the young worker.
– Predatory migration policies inside the CPLP, that help keep the wages low giving false hopes to people from 3rd world countries of a better life that end up on the street or worse than before.
– Finally, special fiscal status given by the government to digital nomads and other country workers that keep their foreign salary and have a lower flat tax on income that end up creating bubbles on the product prices (ex: housing, which then also suffers from a shortage and an increase on % which is dedicated to tourism).
Also housing prices, where 1 furnished bedroom apartment for renting almost cost the same as in Amesterdam (source: statistica).
Mfw finding this while on the train on my way to work with a pinch of anxiety
Somos mais sinceros?
Try living with with the salary from a South American country and the prices of Switzerland.
Mine is heridatary. I grew up in a loving but super stressful and anxious environment/household. Today Im a stutterer and I have ADHD due to that reason but never had anxiety attacks or something.
Para tudo! Estamos em primeiro? Do mundo? Foda-se! Orgulho!
/s
Chama-se “pobreza”
Fado Fátima, futebol e ansiedade 🇵🇹
We are very self-conscious
It’s the same as it ever was. The difference is now we’re counting the numbers.
The common folk has always been in the shit, only the elites have a great time here.
Neoliberalism. We are on the losing side of it.
Living through life working whilst uncertain whether you’ll make rent or have enough for bills and basic commodities must not be so healthy 🤷♂️
Salários de merda, custo de nível elevado, ambiente tóxico no trabalho… estavam à espera de quê?
Fernando Pessoa
Good enough health system to measure anxiety disorders. Bad enough society to not treat the root cause
Um dos maiores focos de ansiedade de muitos portugueses é conceberem a qualidade de vida baseando-se exclusivamente em critérios de poder económico e consumo (como se vê pelos diagnósticos da maior parte das respostas). Quando existem países muito mais pobres, desorganizados, com piores serviços públicos e piores governos que são mais felizes e menos ansiosos que os portugueses.
Acontece que os portugueses, em geral, não vivem vidas culturais (não precisam de ser eruditas, basta olhar para o caso do povo brasileiro), comunitárias e focadas no tempo livre. Os portugueses mal lêem e por isso mal reflectem. Raramente os portugueses terminam o dia de trabalho e vão conviver, em carne e osso, com amigos. Enquanto uma mãe portuguesa está neurótica com os banhos e jantares, está uma mãe espanhola a falar com os amigos enquanto os miudos comem uma sandes. (Aqui a culpa não é só dos trabalhadores, é essencialmente dos patrões que por também não terem vidas preenchidas, não suportam a ideia de os seus empregados as terem).
A vida em Portugal ainda está formatada para o “operário fabril que tem de ensinar os filhos a ler, para que eles possam também ser operários fabris.”
A vida da maior parte dos portugueses é altamente materialista. Na classe baixa medem-se pelos consumos a prestações que fazem, na classe média medem-se pelo carro que têm à porta e na classe alta pelo património e apelido que herdam. Em todas as classes, muitos medem-se pela quantidade de regras e princípios éticos que conseguem ultrapassar sem que nada lhes aconteça. A menor distância que tiveram de percorrer para terem o que queriam, os espertos.
Em Portugal pensar hoje aquilo que se pensava há 20 anos é motivo de orgulho, em vez de ser um sinal de ignorância. Por isso, ninguém tem a necessidade de se cultivar, aprender, mudar de opinião. Qualquer frase absorvida nas redes sociais chega para mandar um bitaite. “Paywalls? Não me afectam, só leio as gordas”. O telemóvel é o centro da vida social dos portugueses.
Os portugueses pensam cada vez menos em termos comunitários e isso vê-se pela matriz dos partidos políticos que emergem dos diversos quadrantes políticos: são todos altamente individualistas.
Estes são vários ingredientes da neurose colectiva em que vivem os portugueses: uma vida à rasca, sem música, sem convívio, sem pensar no sentido da vida e sem escapes diários para estar com aqueles que gostam de nós e nos fazem relativizar tudo. Quando tudo depende de uma perspetiva egocêntrica sobre “o que tenho” e “o que posso perder” é normal que uma parte tão significativa da população viva em permanente ansiedade.
OP here. I’ve been following psychometric studies for a while, and I would tell you not to put too much credit into this map. The reason for this is twofold:
1. Anxiety is typically measured using the Hamilton Anxiety Rating Scale, which is merely a clinician rating of what he thinks his patient would rank on a series of descriptions. You can see it [here](https://www.mdcalc.com/calc/1843/hamilton-anxiety-scale). It is obviously not as accurate as a height or weight measurement, but rather a loose categorization.
2. Following from 1, HAM-A is largely dependent on the meaning ascribed to the descriptions, which is nearly impossible to precisely replicate across different cultures and idioms. For example, even though words such as anxiety and ansiedade have identical dictionary meanings, they have subtly different connotations within their respective cultures and, on the aggregate, these differences across multiple words could easily account for a 3-4% disparity in measurement.
In short, the tool for measuring anxiety, as well as the Big Five personality trait models, both suffer from translation issues – which is not to say that they are not cross-culturally valid, more preciselly, they are ***cross-culturally universal, but not cross-culturally comparable***. More likely than not, Portuguese clinicians are simply prone to subjectively interpret their patients conditions’ as more anxious on average – which says nothing of their actual organic state compared to other cultures.
This is on psychometrics alone, there is also a question to be raised on statistical grounds on what percentage of the population of each country was tested and in which regions. Richer countries, for instance, will have more resources to test their population, bigger nations will have more significative regional differences, data for certain countries might have higher prevalence of self-reporting versus medical data, etc.
A lot of people mentioned the economical/social/politic current state and that plays a big part, no doubt about it, what that’s just one side of the coin.
In my opinion there’s another aspect that plays probably a equal role:
The snow ball effect caused by the
heredity.
Portugal has been living in and out of economical/social/politic crises over the last decades and that’s put enormous stress on people, that later have kids that probably endure the same stress, become adults and so on. If you pair this with the on growing problems related to younger generations trying to achieve over realistic perfect lifes, due to the constant bombardment of this subjects, you have a perfect storm.
This cycle, in the long run, transforms the society as a whole and leads to a great chunk of population have this kind of disorders. And honestly that numbers will be a lot higher after analysing the pandemic years and it will be really hard.
In my personal case: Grandmother with depression, mother with anxiety and depression, me with OCD.
People look at mental health as something not really important. Either live with the problem or just try to solve it when it is really bad. It’s a cultural thing.
That combined with the state of the country is a good recipe for disaster.
It’s called salário mínimo
Portugal é obsecado por futebol . Eu gostava de futebol agora crítico todos que dedicam o seu tempo a isso. Futebol é a droga que este povo consome e esquecem se de tudo o resto.
Se for para fazer uma manifestação de algo que está mal . Ninguém aparece . Se for para ir apedrejar autocarros de um clube ? Estão lá todos .
Passei de um apreciador de futebol para uma pessoa que odeia o futebol . Futebol é ódio entre pessoas. Quando o devíamos era estar juntos e olhar para os verdadeiros inimigos.
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train strikes
health strikes
teachers strike
super low wages that never increased for years
very old population
No money to pay the bills.
Corrupt government; greedy bosses (low wages); extremely high prices on the housing market; inflation on record highs. Etc, etc.
I think it’s not just that we have low wages and bad health and school systems. It’s that we see other European countries better than we are, or improving, and we have no hope that it gets better for us, as things are getting worse and there is nothing being done to counter that
So, where to start:
– Poor labour management with a culture that if you don’t do extra hours you are not putting in an effort.
– Very low wages that have lost a lot against inflation decreasing the consumer power of the average Portuguese.
– Exploitative or cartel-like policies from supermarkets and telecoms that increase the prices to stupid high margins with little to no consequence.
– A broken political system that tends to the needs of the elderly (who are becoming the majority) and thus gives little to no hope for the young worker.
– Predatory migration policies inside the CPLP, that help keep the wages low giving false hopes to people from 3rd world countries of a better life that end up on the street or worse than before.
– Finally, special fiscal status given by the government to digital nomads and other country workers that keep their foreign salary and have a lower flat tax on income that end up creating bubbles on the product prices (ex: housing, which then also suffers from a shortage and an increase on % which is dedicated to tourism).
Also housing prices, where 1 furnished bedroom apartment for renting almost cost the same as in Amesterdam (source: statistica).
Mfw finding this while on the train on my way to work with a pinch of anxiety
Somos mais sinceros?
Try living with with the salary from a South American country and the prices of Switzerland.
Mine is heridatary. I grew up in a loving but super stressful and anxious environment/household. Today Im a stutterer and I have ADHD due to that reason but never had anxiety attacks or something.
Para tudo! Estamos em primeiro? Do mundo? Foda-se! Orgulho!
/s
Chama-se “pobreza”
Fado Fátima, futebol e ansiedade 🇵🇹
We are very self-conscious
It’s the same as it ever was. The difference is now we’re counting the numbers.
The common folk has always been in the shit, only the elites have a great time here.
Neoliberalism. We are on the losing side of it.
Living through life working whilst uncertain whether you’ll make rent or have enough for bills and basic commodities must not be so healthy 🤷♂️
Salários de merda, custo de nível elevado, ambiente tóxico no trabalho… estavam à espera de quê?
Fernando Pessoa
Good enough health system to measure anxiety disorders. Bad enough society to not treat the root cause
Um dos maiores focos de ansiedade de muitos portugueses é conceberem a qualidade de vida baseando-se exclusivamente em critérios de poder económico e consumo (como se vê pelos diagnósticos da maior parte das respostas). Quando existem países muito mais pobres, desorganizados, com piores serviços públicos e piores governos que são mais felizes e menos ansiosos que os portugueses.
Acontece que os portugueses, em geral, não vivem vidas culturais (não precisam de ser eruditas, basta olhar para o caso do povo brasileiro), comunitárias e focadas no tempo livre. Os portugueses mal lêem e por isso mal reflectem. Raramente os portugueses terminam o dia de trabalho e vão conviver, em carne e osso, com amigos. Enquanto uma mãe portuguesa está neurótica com os banhos e jantares, está uma mãe espanhola a falar com os amigos enquanto os miudos comem uma sandes. (Aqui a culpa não é só dos trabalhadores, é essencialmente dos patrões que por também não terem vidas preenchidas, não suportam a ideia de os seus empregados as terem).
A vida em Portugal ainda está formatada para o “operário fabril que tem de ensinar os filhos a ler, para que eles possam também ser operários fabris.”
A vida da maior parte dos portugueses é altamente materialista. Na classe baixa medem-se pelos consumos a prestações que fazem, na classe média medem-se pelo carro que têm à porta e na classe alta pelo património e apelido que herdam. Em todas as classes, muitos medem-se pela quantidade de regras e princípios éticos que conseguem ultrapassar sem que nada lhes aconteça. A menor distância que tiveram de percorrer para terem o que queriam, os espertos.
Em Portugal pensar hoje aquilo que se pensava há 20 anos é motivo de orgulho, em vez de ser um sinal de ignorância. Por isso, ninguém tem a necessidade de se cultivar, aprender, mudar de opinião. Qualquer frase absorvida nas redes sociais chega para mandar um bitaite. “Paywalls? Não me afectam, só leio as gordas”. O telemóvel é o centro da vida social dos portugueses.
Os portugueses pensam cada vez menos em termos comunitários e isso vê-se pela matriz dos partidos políticos que emergem dos diversos quadrantes políticos: são todos altamente individualistas.
Estes são vários ingredientes da neurose colectiva em que vivem os portugueses: uma vida à rasca, sem música, sem convívio, sem pensar no sentido da vida e sem escapes diários para estar com aqueles que gostam de nós e nos fazem relativizar tudo. Quando tudo depende de uma perspetiva egocêntrica sobre “o que tenho” e “o que posso perder” é normal que uma parte tão significativa da população viva em permanente ansiedade.
OP here. I’ve been following psychometric studies for a while, and I would tell you not to put too much credit into this map. The reason for this is twofold:
1. Anxiety is typically measured using the Hamilton Anxiety Rating Scale, which is merely a clinician rating of what he thinks his patient would rank on a series of descriptions. You can see it [here](https://www.mdcalc.com/calc/1843/hamilton-anxiety-scale). It is obviously not as accurate as a height or weight measurement, but rather a loose categorization.
2. Following from 1, HAM-A is largely dependent on the meaning ascribed to the descriptions, which is nearly impossible to precisely replicate across different cultures and idioms. For example, even though words such as anxiety and ansiedade have identical dictionary meanings, they have subtly different connotations within their respective cultures and, on the aggregate, these differences across multiple words could easily account for a 3-4% disparity in measurement.
In short, the tool for measuring anxiety, as well as the Big Five personality trait models, both suffer from translation issues – which is not to say that they are not cross-culturally valid, more preciselly, they are ***cross-culturally universal, but not cross-culturally comparable***. More likely than not, Portuguese clinicians are simply prone to subjectively interpret their patients conditions’ as more anxious on average – which says nothing of their actual organic state compared to other cultures.
This is on psychometrics alone, there is also a question to be raised on statistical grounds on what percentage of the population of each country was tested and in which regions. Richer countries, for instance, will have more resources to test their population, bigger nations will have more significative regional differences, data for certain countries might have higher prevalence of self-reporting versus medical data, etc.
A lot of people mentioned the economical/social/politic current state and that plays a big part, no doubt about it, what that’s just one side of the coin.
In my opinion there’s another aspect that plays probably a equal role:
The snow ball effect caused by the
heredity.
Portugal has been living in and out of economical/social/politic crises over the last decades and that’s put enormous stress on people, that later have kids that probably endure the same stress, become adults and so on. If you pair this with the on growing problems related to younger generations trying to achieve over realistic perfect lifes, due to the constant bombardment of this subjects, you have a perfect storm.
This cycle, in the long run, transforms the society as a whole and leads to a great chunk of population have this kind of disorders. And honestly that numbers will be a lot higher after analysing the pandemic years and it will be really hard.
In my personal case: Grandmother with depression, mother with anxiety and depression, me with OCD.
People look at mental health as something not really important. Either live with the problem or just try to solve it when it is really bad. It’s a cultural thing.
That combined with the state of the country is a good recipe for disaster.
It’s called salário mínimo
Portugal é obsecado por futebol . Eu gostava de futebol agora crítico todos que dedicam o seu tempo a isso. Futebol é a droga que este povo consome e esquecem se de tudo o resto.
Se for para fazer uma manifestação de algo que está mal . Ninguém aparece . Se for para ir apedrejar autocarros de um clube ? Estão lá todos .
Passei de um apreciador de futebol para uma pessoa que odeia o futebol . Futebol é ódio entre pessoas. Quando o devíamos era estar juntos e olhar para os verdadeiros inimigos.