> **Junior doctors in Scotland have been offered a 14.5% pay rise.**
>
> The new offer from the Scottish government, which covers a two-year period, was made after negotiations with BMA Scotland.
>
> The union will now consult its members, who voted in favour of strike action earlier this month, on the offer.
>
> BMA Scotland stressed it had not agreed the improved deal – but said that it was likely to be the best that the Scottish government would offer.
>
> Ministers said they were proposing a £61.3m investment in junior doctor pay, which they described as the largest in 20 years and the best offer in the UK.
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> The governmenbt said that if it was accepted, there would be a pay rise of 6.5% in 2023/24 and an additional 3% towards an already agreed 4.5% uplift in 2022/23.
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> This amounts to a cumulative increase of 14.5% over two years and matches the recent pay award accepted by nurses and other NHS workers in 2023, it said.
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> BMA Scotland members had previously voted in favour of staging a 72-hour walkout. The union has been calling for a 23.5% increase above inflation.
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> More than 71% of the eligible 5,000 junior doctors in Scotland voted in that ballot, with 97% in favour of industrial action.
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> Scotland’s Health Secretary Michael Matheson said he was “delighted” to have reached an agreement with the BMA Scotland after weeks of intense negotiations.
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> He added: “We have taken their concerns regarding pay, and the need to modernise pay bargaining more broadly, extremely seriously.
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> “It’s now up to junior doctors to reflect on this final offer, and I hope they will accept.”
>
> BMA Scotland said it would put the offer to its members in a consultative vote.
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> Dr Chris Smith, who chairs its Scottish junior doctor committee, stressed that the BMA had not agreed the deal or accepted any offer.
>
> “However, the offer that has been made is without doubt an improvement on the 4.5% awarded last year, and the improved offer for 22/23 would represent a slowdown in doctors’ pay erosion, which had accelerated up to this point after 15 years of real terms decline,” he said.
>
> “Our commitment to the long-term aim of righting that historical wrong remains firmly in place and will continue to be a top priority going forwards.
>
> “We feel this offer reflects the best that the Scottish Government will offer after this series of negotiations. This is why it is essential our members decide our next steps.”
>
> Junior doctors – fully-qualified medics who are not specialty staff doctors, consultants or GPs – make up 44% of the doctors in the NHS in Scotland.
>
> Junior doctors in England walked out for three days in March and four days in April, leading to the cancellation of more than 196,000 hospital appointments last month.
>
> In January, ambulance staff belonging to three unions – GMB, Unison and Unite – staged a strike in England and Wales in a dispute over pay.
>
> Members of the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) union in England rejected the government’s current pay offer and held a 24-hour strike, while a strike ballot opened last week for senior doctors in England amid a continuing dispute over pay.
>
> Despite the action south of the border, Scotland has yet to see any strikes by NHS staff.
6.5% year one, 7.5% year two.
AKA, a pay cut (real terms) this year, and probably a pay cut next year to.
Interesting that it’s costed at £63 million for both years though – government making out that paying doctors/nurses more than inflation will bankrupt the country faster than the £20,000 million in this winters energy supplement…
*Edit:*
It’s 7.5% last year (back dated), and 6.5% this year – which is arguably worse. Thanks to u/freexe for pointing out I should “git gut” at reading.
Why are pay rises pitched as multi-year deals? Nothing else uses this and I can only assume it’s designed to mislead
The combining of years is misleading bullshit. They know its shit so theyre fudging the numbers. Two annual sub inflation pay increases does not sum up to match inflation for one year.
The authors should have been more transparent with that headline.
Adding up the two years is complete bollocks and an attempt to mislead and/or turn people against those striking
So many just read the headline
This is a terrible offer and should be rejected by the juniors in Scotland.
I hate it when they say x% over y years. You know it’s all weaselling 😤
Their maths is amazing. If i pay 0% tax i’m due to pay this year then pay 110% i’m due next year can I claim i paid 110% tax over two years m’lord?
“BMA Scotland stressed it had not agreed the improved deal – but said that it was likely to be the best that the Scottish government would offer.”
Translation – you won’t get what you want.
Listening to LBC right now. They’ve not one mentioned this is a multi year deal once.
Each to his own, but public transport workers and NHS workers/doctors seem to be a ‘touchstone’ of fervent public discontentment with how the Tories are currently treating ‘essential workers’, but fuck educators/teachers, right?
One thing I hate to read is headlines designed to pit us working classes against each other. I guarantee we will have teachers within a few hours complaining that the Jr doctor pay raise is unfair because they didn’t get a pay rise. It’s everyone against the ruling class now – we should all be unified in taking down the twats ruling our country and getting some damn pay raises across the board. Tax the richest.
This deal actually gives the doctors more money compared to if they just got a 14.5% pay rise for this year only.
The first 7.5% pay rise is backdated for tax year 2022-2023 which has already ended.
For this tax year, 2023-2024, they’re getting a 6.5% pay rise on top of the 7.5% pay rise from last year.
This means that:
2021-22: 100% salary
2022-23: 107.5%
2023-24: 114.5% (due to compounding)
This way, the doctors get a year’s salary with 7.5% extra which they wouldn’t get with a single year deal.
That is still nowhere near enough, then they (government) wonder why most UK trained doctors leave and we have to have immigrants take the work for shit pay…
Nothing wrong with immigrant doctors but they also deserve a decent pay.
A 35% pay rise demand is laughable though, especially as it’s being funded by tax payer’s money. It reads like doctors think they are entitled to be rich, while the rest of us have to still cope with our 5 – 10% payrises (if lucky)
I’m of the opinion that NHS staff should receive a universal 100% pay rise, and a triple lock system thereafter.
Funny how MPs have had a constant salary increase over 10 years … yet all they do is argue with each other like children and Bump their own bank accounts with dodgy practices
Yet doctors, nurses and carers that literally *SAVE LIVES*… get nothing
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> **Junior doctors in Scotland have been offered a 14.5% pay rise.**
>
> The new offer from the Scottish government, which covers a two-year period, was made after negotiations with BMA Scotland.
>
> The union will now consult its members, who voted in favour of strike action earlier this month, on the offer.
>
> BMA Scotland stressed it had not agreed the improved deal – but said that it was likely to be the best that the Scottish government would offer.
>
> Ministers said they were proposing a £61.3m investment in junior doctor pay, which they described as the largest in 20 years and the best offer in the UK.
>
> The governmenbt said that if it was accepted, there would be a pay rise of 6.5% in 2023/24 and an additional 3% towards an already agreed 4.5% uplift in 2022/23.
>
> This amounts to a cumulative increase of 14.5% over two years and matches the recent pay award accepted by nurses and other NHS workers in 2023, it said.
>
> BMA Scotland members had previously voted in favour of staging a 72-hour walkout. The union has been calling for a 23.5% increase above inflation.
>
> More than 71% of the eligible 5,000 junior doctors in Scotland voted in that ballot, with 97% in favour of industrial action.
>
> Scotland’s Health Secretary Michael Matheson said he was “delighted” to have reached an agreement with the BMA Scotland after weeks of intense negotiations.
>
> He added: “We have taken their concerns regarding pay, and the need to modernise pay bargaining more broadly, extremely seriously.
>
> “It’s now up to junior doctors to reflect on this final offer, and I hope they will accept.”
>
> BMA Scotland said it would put the offer to its members in a consultative vote.
>
> Dr Chris Smith, who chairs its Scottish junior doctor committee, stressed that the BMA had not agreed the deal or accepted any offer.
>
> “However, the offer that has been made is without doubt an improvement on the 4.5% awarded last year, and the improved offer for 22/23 would represent a slowdown in doctors’ pay erosion, which had accelerated up to this point after 15 years of real terms decline,” he said.
>
> “Our commitment to the long-term aim of righting that historical wrong remains firmly in place and will continue to be a top priority going forwards.
>
> “We feel this offer reflects the best that the Scottish Government will offer after this series of negotiations. This is why it is essential our members decide our next steps.”
>
> Junior doctors – fully-qualified medics who are not specialty staff doctors, consultants or GPs – make up 44% of the doctors in the NHS in Scotland.
>
> Junior doctors in England walked out for three days in March and four days in April, leading to the cancellation of more than 196,000 hospital appointments last month.
>
> In January, ambulance staff belonging to three unions – GMB, Unison and Unite – staged a strike in England and Wales in a dispute over pay.
>
> Members of the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) union in England rejected the government’s current pay offer and held a 24-hour strike, while a strike ballot opened last week for senior doctors in England amid a continuing dispute over pay.
>
> Despite the action south of the border, Scotland has yet to see any strikes by NHS staff.
6.5% year one, 7.5% year two.
AKA, a pay cut (real terms) this year, and probably a pay cut next year to.
Interesting that it’s costed at £63 million for both years though – government making out that paying doctors/nurses more than inflation will bankrupt the country faster than the £20,000 million in this winters energy supplement…
*Edit:*
It’s 7.5% last year (back dated), and 6.5% this year – which is arguably worse. Thanks to u/freexe for pointing out I should “git gut” at reading.
Why are pay rises pitched as multi-year deals? Nothing else uses this and I can only assume it’s designed to mislead
The combining of years is misleading bullshit. They know its shit so theyre fudging the numbers. Two annual sub inflation pay increases does not sum up to match inflation for one year.
The authors should have been more transparent with that headline.
Adding up the two years is complete bollocks and an attempt to mislead and/or turn people against those striking
So many just read the headline
This is a terrible offer and should be rejected by the juniors in Scotland.
I hate it when they say x% over y years. You know it’s all weaselling 😤
Their maths is amazing. If i pay 0% tax i’m due to pay this year then pay 110% i’m due next year can I claim i paid 110% tax over two years m’lord?
“BMA Scotland stressed it had not agreed the improved deal – but said that it was likely to be the best that the Scottish government would offer.”
Translation – you won’t get what you want.
Listening to LBC right now. They’ve not one mentioned this is a multi year deal once.
Each to his own, but public transport workers and NHS workers/doctors seem to be a ‘touchstone’ of fervent public discontentment with how the Tories are currently treating ‘essential workers’, but fuck educators/teachers, right?
One thing I hate to read is headlines designed to pit us working classes against each other. I guarantee we will have teachers within a few hours complaining that the Jr doctor pay raise is unfair because they didn’t get a pay rise. It’s everyone against the ruling class now – we should all be unified in taking down the twats ruling our country and getting some damn pay raises across the board. Tax the richest.
This deal actually gives the doctors more money compared to if they just got a 14.5% pay rise for this year only.
The first 7.5% pay rise is backdated for tax year 2022-2023 which has already ended.
For this tax year, 2023-2024, they’re getting a 6.5% pay rise on top of the 7.5% pay rise from last year.
This means that:
2021-22: 100% salary
2022-23: 107.5%
2023-24: 114.5% (due to compounding)
This way, the doctors get a year’s salary with 7.5% extra which they wouldn’t get with a single year deal.
That is still nowhere near enough, then they (government) wonder why most UK trained doctors leave and we have to have immigrants take the work for shit pay…
Nothing wrong with immigrant doctors but they also deserve a decent pay.
A 35% pay rise demand is laughable though, especially as it’s being funded by tax payer’s money. It reads like doctors think they are entitled to be rich, while the rest of us have to still cope with our 5 – 10% payrises (if lucky)
I’m of the opinion that NHS staff should receive a universal 100% pay rise, and a triple lock system thereafter.
Funny how MPs have had a constant salary increase over 10 years … yet all they do is argue with each other like children and Bump their own bank accounts with dodgy practices
Yet doctors, nurses and carers that literally *SAVE LIVES*… get nothing