Making life a bit less shit so people are a bit less desperate would be nice indeed, Keir.
Mental health services that aren’t “we’ll get back to you next year, maybe” would be nice too.
Well that won’t happen. You’d need to completely restructure society and it’s values to achieve that.
And take retirement age back down, to what they used to be.
Even 8 years of Kier Starmer wouldn’t drastically undo this. We need systemic changes to society, tory-lite will not do it. The most worrying thing is what comes after Keir Starmer’s labour, because it won’t be enough and people will turn to more radical forms of politics.
Declaring suicide to be anti semetic should do it. Make sure to expel any suicidal Labour members to really get the point across.
Talking about this from a political point of view I’m a little unsure on this as a pledge. We all want to reduce suicide rates, but it’s very reliant on other policy. Essentially its doubling down so if labour succeed to make lives better they get this too, but if they fail they also fail this.
I’d be more convinced if there was specific policy on this point like there are on others
Personally I’d like to see some support for students in high school. It’s unbelievable how 9 times out of 10 teachers don’t understand, are not willing to listen to or not prepared to deal with students mental health. Someone I knew was suicidal and they just said “yeah have a cuppa and a warm bath lol”
Sorting out the disability benefits application process would cut out a chunk.
Good. Invest in ME/CFS which is the illness with the highest suicide rates and has zero treatments.
Mental Health services that actually exist would be a good start
Aye I’m sure exciting policies such as brexit, tuition fees, NHS privatisation and ever more inequality will really improve things.
SLS – Shit Life Syndrome. Being depressed because your house is leaking and cold, you’re starving, and your prospects for the future are only getting worse, isn’t mental illness. It’s a healthy brain’s reaction to awful circumstances.
That said things are so bad now that Labour might be able to achieve their goals by merely ceasing the current Government policy of “Make everything worse on purpose”, without even having to do any real work.
By reducing the waiting time for depression clinic. Lol
That would mean having to create some type of utopia, one that will take far longer than five years to get even close to. People commit suicide for a variety of reasons, however economic problems driven by capitalism is the biggest factor and like hell are Labour capable of stopping that monster.
Even then what mental health service does he have in mind when we have nowhere near enough trained staff to cope with the ever-increasing number of people suffering severe mental health issues? It’s like claiming he will bring the NHS backlog down when we have nowhere near enough doctors and nurses to do that.
Well, given how shit things are at the minute, I imagine improving the mental health of the nation starts with making food and heating affordable, fixing the NHS ( more funding for mental health and social care ideally) and raising wages.
Speaking as someone with a Mental Health illness, making things a bit less desperate would help but it wouldn’t solve the problem overall.
We need adequate mental health services that are funded, protected and supported.
Unfortunately, this is likely to take the form of even more aggressive and coercive nanny-state initiatives such as sending the police round to confiscate people’s suicide methods that they bought online, and more involuntary psychiatric holds (if they can find the room), rather than helping people to live better lives so that they choose not to commit suicide.
Suicide prevention has always been mainly focused on denying people the right to agency and control over their body, even if that comes at the detriment of their actual mental wellbeing.
I’m sure Tory lite wouldn’t mind if the number of desperately suicidal people increased, just so long as they don’t have a way to easily ‘get away’ with actually committing suicide.
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You’re getting sectioned, and you are getting sectioned, and you are getting sectioned!
Honestly, that’s pretty impossible. The UK has deteriorated significantly in the last 16 years. You’ve got companies that don’t give a shit about you, bleeding your soul dry and crushing your spirit.
You have a government that likewise don’t give a fuck, constantly bankrupting you and making your life harder. Raising the retirement age and doing everything they can to make sure you can’t get on the property ladder.
Then there’s the state of society, dickheads everywhere. Everything costs way too much. People’s stress and mood have crashed through the floor.
Life is honestly just one long uphill struggle on a bike that has flat tyres and a handlebar that constantly falls off. You’ve been peddling for years and you’ve barely gone half a mile.
Unless you’re intending to reshape the government, jobs and society, that number is only going to go up.
Good.
Anything that can be done to change the appalling suicide numbers is to be welcomed. I can’t help but feel that the suicide rate is really only a symptom of much deeper problems. Some that will take decades to fix; some that will simply never be fixed in the UK’s present political climate
Support for boys and men’s mental health would make a huge difference to the numbers. This is something that is often completely forgotten about and/or ignored.
They’ll likely just make it illegal again and chuck the figures in with crime figures.
The things that are causing people to commit suicide are the issue, suicide it self is not the issue. Sounds unpopular but shit is true. If you view it like that, you will actually think about being more sincere in why you want to help a person who is suicidal.
Don’t just think that ‘i will stop this person committing suicide today’ and then not bothering with them for the rest of days in the year. They need a comprehensive and holistic approach to sort out the issues causing them to want to commit suicide, else their quality of life is meaningless and depressive with no outlet.
I hope starmer doesn’t treat this as a numbers game, ‘reducing suicide numbers’ could mean by any means for the sake of it and not resolving the fundamental issues.
Fuck me you people are miserable. Starmer wants to reduce suicides: “waaaah he’s not left wing enough so people should just continue to kill themselves”
Can you people ever be happy over anything? We’re on the cusp of a labour government actually getting elected and you’re all too spiteful that magic grandad lost twice in a row.
No doubt their solution will be China-style suicide nets rather than actually making our lives any better. After all, what funding of services could they possibly do after reneging on all their wealth redistribution and public service funding pledges?
Oh yes, I’m sure 5 more years of bland neoliberalism/austerity will be just what the suicidal youth of today needs.
Of course they are …
Pigs will fly also …
Billionaires will start fueling money into the NHS …
Kier will give up x3 of his x4 houses for refugees …
MP’s will take huge pay cuts for a year to help pay for school dinners …
Homeless veterans will all get homes …
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No wait that’s never going to happen because the current political system is completely corrupt/broken
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I think its more likely whichever political party gets through, they will once again fill their own back pockets/bank accounts
As a man who has spent the last 30 years battling anxiety and clinical depression, for it only to get steadily worse the more I see my country heading into steep decline, isolationism and fascist politics, I doubt very much that Sir Keir’s special brand of weak centre-right optimism will do much to keep me from eventually calling it a day. But thanks for the thought.
Decriminalising psilocybin mushrooms and cannabis would be a good place to start but of course Starmer is currently too concerned in wooing the Christians and moderate Conservatives to vote for him, so that’s unlikely to happen in my lifetime.
So ur pledging to sort out the fundamental issues with the system we live under right? Right???? Kieth?
Labour has not provided details on how it proposes to meet this pledge other than an aspiration to shift from “sickness to prevention”.
Well I’m convinced!
I don’t believe it to be honest. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Just getting the Tories out will probably get you the first 3%
I’ve been depressed for years and always thinking about plan B.
“Labour has not provided details on how it proposes to meet this pledge other than an aspiration to shift from “sickness to prevention”.”
We will simply stop the suicides
The only way any government can reverse the rise in suicides across the country is to stop pillaging mental health budgets across the country. Make sure that every health board has enough money and resources available to answer every call. And if people go down the charity route rather than their local health board, make absolutely sure that charities like CALM and Samaritans are well provided for as well.
Being able to afford food and a home would be a minimum start for the UK.
Huh people are becoming depressed in a country where life is borderline unaffordable and 90% of people are living paycheck to paycheck with no hopes of future prospects. What a mystery!
This is an admirable goal but it’s not even on most voters top ten concerns. Seems a weird thing to pick when everyone’s frantic about cozzie livs and the NHS melting down.
He’ll say anything that will buy him votes. He might as well say that he’ll reverse the spin of the earth. Who’s going to keep him accountable for those populist slogans? The reality is that nothing is going to change with labour. Same old tories.
I wonder what could be causing the rise in all the autism and ADHD kids….
More nannystate policies being introduced by Labour will be the final nail in my coffin
I’ve seen what this man’s vows are worth. He vowed to protect my community. And now he’s questioning whether we should be protected by the equality act.
OK so what’s their plan? I’m not sure vowing will achieve this goal.
How do you make people happier? Go on entertain me
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Making life a bit less shit so people are a bit less desperate would be nice indeed, Keir.
Mental health services that aren’t “we’ll get back to you next year, maybe” would be nice too.
Well that won’t happen. You’d need to completely restructure society and it’s values to achieve that.
And take retirement age back down, to what they used to be.
Even 8 years of Kier Starmer wouldn’t drastically undo this. We need systemic changes to society, tory-lite will not do it. The most worrying thing is what comes after Keir Starmer’s labour, because it won’t be enough and people will turn to more radical forms of politics.
Declaring suicide to be anti semetic should do it. Make sure to expel any suicidal Labour members to really get the point across.
Talking about this from a political point of view I’m a little unsure on this as a pledge. We all want to reduce suicide rates, but it’s very reliant on other policy. Essentially its doubling down so if labour succeed to make lives better they get this too, but if they fail they also fail this.
I’d be more convinced if there was specific policy on this point like there are on others
Personally I’d like to see some support for students in high school. It’s unbelievable how 9 times out of 10 teachers don’t understand, are not willing to listen to or not prepared to deal with students mental health. Someone I knew was suicidal and they just said “yeah have a cuppa and a warm bath lol”
Sorting out the disability benefits application process would cut out a chunk.
Good. Invest in ME/CFS which is the illness with the highest suicide rates and has zero treatments.
Mental Health services that actually exist would be a good start
Aye I’m sure exciting policies such as brexit, tuition fees, NHS privatisation and ever more inequality will really improve things.
SLS – Shit Life Syndrome. Being depressed because your house is leaking and cold, you’re starving, and your prospects for the future are only getting worse, isn’t mental illness. It’s a healthy brain’s reaction to awful circumstances.
That said things are so bad now that Labour might be able to achieve their goals by merely ceasing the current Government policy of “Make everything worse on purpose”, without even having to do any real work.
By reducing the waiting time for depression clinic. Lol
That would mean having to create some type of utopia, one that will take far longer than five years to get even close to. People commit suicide for a variety of reasons, however economic problems driven by capitalism is the biggest factor and like hell are Labour capable of stopping that monster.
Even then what mental health service does he have in mind when we have nowhere near enough trained staff to cope with the ever-increasing number of people suffering severe mental health issues? It’s like claiming he will bring the NHS backlog down when we have nowhere near enough doctors and nurses to do that.
Well, given how shit things are at the minute, I imagine improving the mental health of the nation starts with making food and heating affordable, fixing the NHS ( more funding for mental health and social care ideally) and raising wages.
Speaking as someone with a Mental Health illness, making things a bit less desperate would help but it wouldn’t solve the problem overall.
We need adequate mental health services that are funded, protected and supported.
Unfortunately, this is likely to take the form of even more aggressive and coercive nanny-state initiatives such as sending the police round to confiscate people’s suicide methods that they bought online, and more involuntary psychiatric holds (if they can find the room), rather than helping people to live better lives so that they choose not to commit suicide.
Suicide prevention has always been mainly focused on denying people the right to agency and control over their body, even if that comes at the detriment of their actual mental wellbeing.
I’m sure Tory lite wouldn’t mind if the number of desperately suicidal people increased, just so long as they don’t have a way to easily ‘get away’ with actually committing suicide.
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You’re getting sectioned, and you are getting sectioned, and you are getting sectioned!
Honestly, that’s pretty impossible. The UK has deteriorated significantly in the last 16 years. You’ve got companies that don’t give a shit about you, bleeding your soul dry and crushing your spirit.
You have a government that likewise don’t give a fuck, constantly bankrupting you and making your life harder. Raising the retirement age and doing everything they can to make sure you can’t get on the property ladder.
Then there’s the state of society, dickheads everywhere. Everything costs way too much. People’s stress and mood have crashed through the floor.
Life is honestly just one long uphill struggle on a bike that has flat tyres and a handlebar that constantly falls off. You’ve been peddling for years and you’ve barely gone half a mile.
Unless you’re intending to reshape the government, jobs and society, that number is only going to go up.
Good.
Anything that can be done to change the appalling suicide numbers is to be welcomed. I can’t help but feel that the suicide rate is really only a symptom of much deeper problems. Some that will take decades to fix; some that will simply never be fixed in the UK’s present political climate
Support for boys and men’s mental health would make a huge difference to the numbers. This is something that is often completely forgotten about and/or ignored.
They’ll likely just make it illegal again and chuck the figures in with crime figures.
The things that are causing people to commit suicide are the issue, suicide it self is not the issue. Sounds unpopular but shit is true. If you view it like that, you will actually think about being more sincere in why you want to help a person who is suicidal.
Don’t just think that ‘i will stop this person committing suicide today’ and then not bothering with them for the rest of days in the year. They need a comprehensive and holistic approach to sort out the issues causing them to want to commit suicide, else their quality of life is meaningless and depressive with no outlet.
I hope starmer doesn’t treat this as a numbers game, ‘reducing suicide numbers’ could mean by any means for the sake of it and not resolving the fundamental issues.
Fuck me you people are miserable. Starmer wants to reduce suicides: “waaaah he’s not left wing enough so people should just continue to kill themselves”
Can you people ever be happy over anything? We’re on the cusp of a labour government actually getting elected and you’re all too spiteful that magic grandad lost twice in a row.
No doubt their solution will be China-style suicide nets rather than actually making our lives any better. After all, what funding of services could they possibly do after reneging on all their wealth redistribution and public service funding pledges?
Oh yes, I’m sure 5 more years of bland neoliberalism/austerity will be just what the suicidal youth of today needs.
Of course they are …
Pigs will fly also …
Billionaires will start fueling money into the NHS …
Kier will give up x3 of his x4 houses for refugees …
MP’s will take huge pay cuts for a year to help pay for school dinners …
Homeless veterans will all get homes …
​
No wait that’s never going to happen because the current political system is completely corrupt/broken
​
I think its more likely whichever political party gets through, they will once again fill their own back pockets/bank accounts
As a man who has spent the last 30 years battling anxiety and clinical depression, for it only to get steadily worse the more I see my country heading into steep decline, isolationism and fascist politics, I doubt very much that Sir Keir’s special brand of weak centre-right optimism will do much to keep me from eventually calling it a day. But thanks for the thought.
Decriminalising psilocybin mushrooms and cannabis would be a good place to start but of course Starmer is currently too concerned in wooing the Christians and moderate Conservatives to vote for him, so that’s unlikely to happen in my lifetime.
So ur pledging to sort out the fundamental issues with the system we live under right? Right???? Kieth?
Labour has not provided details on how it proposes to meet this pledge other than an aspiration to shift from “sickness to prevention”.
Well I’m convinced!
I don’t believe it to be honest. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Just getting the Tories out will probably get you the first 3%
I’ve been depressed for years and always thinking about plan B.
“Labour has not provided details on how it proposes to meet this pledge other than an aspiration to shift from “sickness to prevention”.”
We will simply stop the suicides
The only way any government can reverse the rise in suicides across the country is to stop pillaging mental health budgets across the country. Make sure that every health board has enough money and resources available to answer every call. And if people go down the charity route rather than their local health board, make absolutely sure that charities like CALM and Samaritans are well provided for as well.
Being able to afford food and a home would be a minimum start for the UK.
Huh people are becoming depressed in a country where life is borderline unaffordable and 90% of people are living paycheck to paycheck with no hopes of future prospects. What a mystery!
This is an admirable goal but it’s not even on most voters top ten concerns. Seems a weird thing to pick when everyone’s frantic about cozzie livs and the NHS melting down.
He’ll say anything that will buy him votes. He might as well say that he’ll reverse the spin of the earth. Who’s going to keep him accountable for those populist slogans? The reality is that nothing is going to change with labour. Same old tories.
I wonder what could be causing the rise in all the autism and ADHD kids….
More nannystate policies being introduced by Labour will be the final nail in my coffin
I’ve seen what this man’s vows are worth. He vowed to protect my community. And now he’s questioning whether we should be protected by the equality act.
OK so what’s their plan? I’m not sure vowing will achieve this goal.
How do you make people happier? Go on entertain me