Probably because at no point in human history has police been ahead of crime…
I mean from speaking to people who’ve dealt with cybercrime or being accused of it the police are ridiculously incompetent at handling and using technology, that coupled with them being criminally underfunded
Because there told to spend all day on Facebook looking for reasons to harass people rather than doing ther job. Its not rocket science. You cant spend your time enforcing the will of the minority and police at the same time.
Because budgets are cut year on year by the government so that they can spend money on vanity projects like Cross Rail or HS2 and also when it comes to election time they can give people tax cuts in an effort to get re-elected.
Cyber crime, in terms of hacking or scamming, is easy to learn and very often cross border.
There is no country in the world very effective at fighting cyber crime, because it requires a level of international cooperation that governments and institutions have never been able to achieve or sustain.
No police force can do an effective job because it’s too multi jurisdictional for a single force. The legislature hasn’t caught up, nor have the courts.
Add in that recruitment is almost impossible because salaries in the field are way ahead and the people they’d be noisy likely to recruit would be people wanting to give something back at the end of a career where they’re simply too old to go be a PC for two years first.
Because they don’t have the money or resources to invest. Also, for some reason we are doing it on a force-by-force basis when they should be national capabilities and systems run centrally Sadly the groups that used to do that for us got closed down a few years ago.
Finally, we still have snr officers at NPCC level who talk about “Digital Policing” as if digital is still something new. Its not Digital Policing, we just police in the digital age. Almost every crime now has a digital element to it. Everyone has a phone. All houses have 5-10 devices in them. But our Digital Forensics Units are tiny, have major backlogs they will never clear. Seize a phone as part of a sexual abuse case? That phone is not being processed for 8 months to 2 years. Its so silly.
being downstream from a government that is institutionally incapable of competence on cybercrime, with an ideology geared to exposing people to it via destruction of cybersecurity, isnt going to help.
Hmm, why does a role that normally pays very good money in most sectors, but offers a fraction of that in the police force and public sector generally, result in the police being overwhelmed?
It’s one of the great mysteries of the ages…
It’s easier to do than ever before, so much of our lives are now online; the police have neither the training, nor equipment, nor staff levels to adequately deal with it. Of course the police are overwhelmed.
They are overwhelmed with everything that requires some work or causes a minor inconvenience to them. I
What is considered “cyber crime”? Is calling someone’s mum fat over twitter considered one?
The UK isn’t putting as much money into tackling cybercrime as it should.
There was recently a BBC programme about this issue and one of the takeaways was the in Germany they know they can’t win completely but also know that their work is helping reduce the amount of cybercrime activity.
In the UK on the other hand the cybercrime policing is nowhere near what it should be so we end up getting targeted more as they know its easier for them to get away with it.
As someone who works in cyber crime I can tell you it falls down to this:
1) Training and retention of staff. As a Constable you’re salary capped so no matter how well skilled or trained, you’re going to be capped at £43k (maybe plus £1.5k as a targeted payment). So even when you train staff to understand the material, be able to write cases and stand up in court, you can jump ship to the private sector for much better conditions and adequate pay. I’ve lost probably £500 per month just by below inflation pay rises
2) lack of staff and resources. Fraud makes up something like 40% of UK according to some sources yet is vastly under resourced. You have barely any teams able to keep up and progress investigations and the courts are such a mess it’s years before something is heard in them
3) working practices. I know people knew to jerk to think “1984” every time they hear the word “communications data”, but if you add in a near pointless bureaucratic process that takes months to get information back it slows everything down. Most frauds involve a mobile number having called a victim, it shouldn’t require a mammoth amount of work, forms and sign off, to just be able to ask the phone company “who’s number is this?” , same issues across IP data, banking information, KYC for crypto etc
Its honestly one of the most frustrating things, you could literally have a job where an elderly person has been scam called, lost £200k, them show you the mobile phone number, and know that someone from EE could tell you where /how it was paid for, but basically have to wait an arbitrary 6 weeks because of the failures of the police in the past
4) general feeling in the police now amongst a lot of detectives is the job is just not worth it. Years of pay cuts, staff cuts, red tape increases and most recently proposals for people to lose their pensions or have devices accessed for “misconduct” not even criminal begs the question, why would you stay ?
5) Action Fraud, literally because fraud is so rife it’s almost like a call centre to report fraud and act as an intermediary to then collate and send reports to the relevant areas, losing time and seemingly only exists as a block.
6) banks and their seemingly inability to stop suspicious payments, how are they not flagging large deposits from people aged 70+ into crypto or multiple large transfers into other peoples bank accounts ?
7) nature of cybercrime, it’s international, fast paced, well known and understood by those committing it, with a lot of tools to hide and mask your identity, and we are either yet to catch up or won’t because certain things can’t be overcome at the moment
It’s a sad state of affairs, there needs to be a massive change in the whole criminal justice process because it just doesn’t work having such a slow and lethargic response to a crime that can have 5 victims in the space of minutes, a system that barely punished offenders, and ultimately makes you question why you would stay for more cuts, worse conditions than go private and have a more fulfilling career
Because they use their resources protecting the wealthy. Making sure peasants don’t show their dissent at a wealth inequality whilst a billionaire crowns himself a god appointed king. Stamping out protests and crushing civil liberties. Arresting people for selling weed and taking people right to bodily autonomy away. Attacking women at a vigil. Looking after government ministers.
Don’t buy the resources bull shit. They choose to use them to enforce the establishment and not to help us. Charles had a party and didn’t want peasants with signs, so they shipped cops in from around the country to arrest people with inoffensive signs. Because they’ve got the resources for that, that’s important to them. Not us. They couldn’t give a fuck about us unless they get the chance to stop us having a voice.
Lot of them do not know how to use a computer for anything remotely complex apart from a computer game. Also why would anyone with the right skills work for terrible pay when private sector pays much more?
Police stopped investigating credit card fraud fifteen years ago, so it’s hardly a surprise.
Presumably because calling someone a cunt online is a crime.
1. Too many forces and all doing their own thing
2. They’re underfunded
3. They’re overwhelmed by every other thing the public want them to do
Well, madame, the cyber criminals are inside your bank account and they are stealing your monies.
Can I have your account number and sort code?
Don’t tell me you read that in your own voice.
Because a nice dry office and computer, with the crims thousands of miles away, beats going down the local sink estate to try and nick hoodrats?
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Probably because at no point in human history has police been ahead of crime…
I mean from speaking to people who’ve dealt with cybercrime or being accused of it the police are ridiculously incompetent at handling and using technology, that coupled with them being criminally underfunded
Because there told to spend all day on Facebook looking for reasons to harass people rather than doing ther job. Its not rocket science. You cant spend your time enforcing the will of the minority and police at the same time.
Because budgets are cut year on year by the government so that they can spend money on vanity projects like Cross Rail or HS2 and also when it comes to election time they can give people tax cuts in an effort to get re-elected.
Cyber crime, in terms of hacking or scamming, is easy to learn and very often cross border.
There is no country in the world very effective at fighting cyber crime, because it requires a level of international cooperation that governments and institutions have never been able to achieve or sustain.
No police force can do an effective job because it’s too multi jurisdictional for a single force. The legislature hasn’t caught up, nor have the courts.
Add in that recruitment is almost impossible because salaries in the field are way ahead and the people they’d be noisy likely to recruit would be people wanting to give something back at the end of a career where they’re simply too old to go be a PC for two years first.
Because they don’t have the money or resources to invest. Also, for some reason we are doing it on a force-by-force basis when they should be national capabilities and systems run centrally Sadly the groups that used to do that for us got closed down a few years ago.
Finally, we still have snr officers at NPCC level who talk about “Digital Policing” as if digital is still something new. Its not Digital Policing, we just police in the digital age. Almost every crime now has a digital element to it. Everyone has a phone. All houses have 5-10 devices in them. But our Digital Forensics Units are tiny, have major backlogs they will never clear. Seize a phone as part of a sexual abuse case? That phone is not being processed for 8 months to 2 years. Its so silly.
being downstream from a government that is institutionally incapable of competence on cybercrime, with an ideology geared to exposing people to it via destruction of cybersecurity, isnt going to help.
Hmm, why does a role that normally pays very good money in most sectors, but offers a fraction of that in the police force and public sector generally, result in the police being overwhelmed?
It’s one of the great mysteries of the ages…
It’s easier to do than ever before, so much of our lives are now online; the police have neither the training, nor equipment, nor staff levels to adequately deal with it. Of course the police are overwhelmed.
They are overwhelmed with everything that requires some work or causes a minor inconvenience to them. I
What is considered “cyber crime”? Is calling someone’s mum fat over twitter considered one?
The UK isn’t putting as much money into tackling cybercrime as it should.
There was recently a BBC programme about this issue and one of the takeaways was the in Germany they know they can’t win completely but also know that their work is helping reduce the amount of cybercrime activity.
In the UK on the other hand the cybercrime policing is nowhere near what it should be so we end up getting targeted more as they know its easier for them to get away with it.
You can view it here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6JXZ3GzSCQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6JXZ3GzSCQ)
As someone who works in cyber crime I can tell you it falls down to this:
1) Training and retention of staff. As a Constable you’re salary capped so no matter how well skilled or trained, you’re going to be capped at £43k (maybe plus £1.5k as a targeted payment). So even when you train staff to understand the material, be able to write cases and stand up in court, you can jump ship to the private sector for much better conditions and adequate pay. I’ve lost probably £500 per month just by below inflation pay rises
2) lack of staff and resources. Fraud makes up something like 40% of UK according to some sources yet is vastly under resourced. You have barely any teams able to keep up and progress investigations and the courts are such a mess it’s years before something is heard in them
3) working practices. I know people knew to jerk to think “1984” every time they hear the word “communications data”, but if you add in a near pointless bureaucratic process that takes months to get information back it slows everything down. Most frauds involve a mobile number having called a victim, it shouldn’t require a mammoth amount of work, forms and sign off, to just be able to ask the phone company “who’s number is this?” , same issues across IP data, banking information, KYC for crypto etc
Its honestly one of the most frustrating things, you could literally have a job where an elderly person has been scam called, lost £200k, them show you the mobile phone number, and know that someone from EE could tell you where /how it was paid for, but basically have to wait an arbitrary 6 weeks because of the failures of the police in the past
4) general feeling in the police now amongst a lot of detectives is the job is just not worth it. Years of pay cuts, staff cuts, red tape increases and most recently proposals for people to lose their pensions or have devices accessed for “misconduct” not even criminal begs the question, why would you stay ?
5) Action Fraud, literally because fraud is so rife it’s almost like a call centre to report fraud and act as an intermediary to then collate and send reports to the relevant areas, losing time and seemingly only exists as a block.
6) banks and their seemingly inability to stop suspicious payments, how are they not flagging large deposits from people aged 70+ into crypto or multiple large transfers into other peoples bank accounts ?
7) nature of cybercrime, it’s international, fast paced, well known and understood by those committing it, with a lot of tools to hide and mask your identity, and we are either yet to catch up or won’t because certain things can’t be overcome at the moment
It’s a sad state of affairs, there needs to be a massive change in the whole criminal justice process because it just doesn’t work having such a slow and lethargic response to a crime that can have 5 victims in the space of minutes, a system that barely punished offenders, and ultimately makes you question why you would stay for more cuts, worse conditions than go private and have a more fulfilling career
Because they use their resources protecting the wealthy. Making sure peasants don’t show their dissent at a wealth inequality whilst a billionaire crowns himself a god appointed king. Stamping out protests and crushing civil liberties. Arresting people for selling weed and taking people right to bodily autonomy away. Attacking women at a vigil. Looking after government ministers.
Don’t buy the resources bull shit. They choose to use them to enforce the establishment and not to help us. Charles had a party and didn’t want peasants with signs, so they shipped cops in from around the country to arrest people with inoffensive signs. Because they’ve got the resources for that, that’s important to them. Not us. They couldn’t give a fuck about us unless they get the chance to stop us having a voice.
Lot of them do not know how to use a computer for anything remotely complex apart from a computer game. Also why would anyone with the right skills work for terrible pay when private sector pays much more?
Police stopped investigating credit card fraud fifteen years ago, so it’s hardly a surprise.
Presumably because calling someone a cunt online is a crime.
1. Too many forces and all doing their own thing
2. They’re underfunded
3. They’re overwhelmed by every other thing the public want them to do
Well, madame, the cyber criminals are inside your bank account and they are stealing your monies.
Can I have your account number and sort code?
Don’t tell me you read that in your own voice.
Because a nice dry office and computer, with the crims thousands of miles away, beats going down the local sink estate to try and nick hoodrats?