good, there is no reason for us to allow ourselves to be milked for free education
I mean, “public opposition” is a very vague and undefined term…did *many* people complain? Were they Norwegians? Or were they potential international students?
I don’t wanna say too much of my opinions on this case because I’m not someone who studied in Norway but I really don’t understand why it should be free for all international students. Obviously there are some cases where it should be free or lower cost (scholarships/economic hardship, etc.), but having it be flat-out-free for internationals is a bit ridiculous. As far as I know, we’re the only country who had a system like that.
Must be one of the moste sane things this government has done so far.
Free tuition is a good way to get competent people to move to Norway. Kind of a gateway drug if it works
When the “public opposition” mainly consists of universities, student organizations and a few, small far-left parties I’m not really sure if there’s much opposition to be honest.
The vast majority of Norwegians either doesn’t care or support tuition fees, and the opposition has failed to prove that keeping the status quo was beneficial to the average Norwegian taxpayer.
I’m not surprised at all. We all knew it was going to pass.
I also don’t understand the “didn’t listen to opposition” – I mean, yeah? What’s your point really.
Based
On one hand, I absolutely see the advantages of letting foreign students study here, when studying things like engineering or medicine. Those are things Norway is lacking domestically, so even if the students work here for just a fee years, it seems like a good investment.
On the other hand one of the bigger articles on this topic a while back was a foreign student studying an art degree here. As much respect as art degrees deserve, I fail to see why our tax payers should pay for a degree like that, for a non citizen. What does the tax payer get for that investment?
This is only for non-European citizens by the way. It would be against the EEA single market’s rules to discriminate between Norwegians and other europeans.
So, does this even change much? How many people from other continents come to Norway to study?
And just like that my country is less in my eyes than it was. Too bad.
Norwegian youth can get a free education because their parents pay taxes. International students can’t because they don’t. I think this is fair.
Well what has mattered the most has been the positive experience from Sweden and Denmark and that in a Nordic setting is far superior to many other things for the Norwegian government. That was also the case when Finland introduced it, the Nordic cooperation is in that sense very strong and open in sharing the result and experience from their policies. Also i think that the average Norwegian actually support it but a vocal minority might not.
People here think they’d never be too dumb to fall for divide and conquer tactics and here they are on their high horses being readied like lambs for the slaughter.
Does this law affect a lot of people? No. Was there unanimous societal opposition? No. Is there some reason to do this? Yes sure you can justify value for money on a lot of things. But key question. Is this a regression? Yes, in a country sitting on a giant money pile why the lack of generosity. People make it sound as if it was a giant financial black hole being borne by the poor, overburdened Norwegian public.
Translated cause tired Norwegian brain: Important to remember this only counts for students outside the EEA or Switzerland. (Original: Viktig å ikke glemme i denne saken at det kun gjelder studenter utenfor EØS og Sveits.)
Just to add some context on how many people will be affected and how much money will be saved:
> The sum of the budget savings and release of educational capacity for Norway and EEA applicants is roughly estimated at around **NOK 1.2 billion**.
> The introduction of tuition fees is in line with developments in the Nordics and Europe elsewhere, and will help to increase capacity for students from Norway and the EEA area at a time of great pressure on study capacity.
> The ten countries outside the EEA and Switzerland from which most full-degree students come to Norway:
> China – 834
> Iran – 650
> USA – 434
> Pakistan – 525
> India – 514
> Russia – 273
> Syria – 623
> Bangladesh – 274
> Nepal – 501
> The Philippines – 322
The biggest caveat of course is that it does not apply to students from EEA countries nor **exchange students**.
This doesn’t make a lot of sense as often Norwegian students have to pay tuition fees when studying abroad for an exchange year, so it would only be fair to charge tuition fees in kind too
I am very grateful and privileged to have received a free masters as a non-EU student who studied in Norway as a benefit from the Norwegian system. However, while I enjoyed the program, it will now cost around 400,000 kroner total for non-EU. This is before rent and having the money apply for your study permit. The quality of the program and the campus resources and amenities would not justify that price at all. The quality of the program would have to majorly increase. Of course for Norwegians and Europeans it will still be a good option, but if you are paying that price you might as well study in the US, where the quality of the programs can be quite good as well as numerous benefits from the college campuses.
vel, de kutter hardt i sektoren nå – så en grei måte å dekke inn noen av utgiftene.
I think this is fair. When I as a Norwegian went to study in the Uk I also had to pay international student fees. I paid roughly 7k GBP per year for my bachelor. And even more for the master.
one of the only sane decisions of the new government, we are not here to pay for others piggybacking of us
Very sad news. I’m lucky in that my program will cost a little less than most US programs, and my parents assisted me this year, but next year is kinda up in the air. Hopefully schools in Norway make it possible for students to take out loans in their home countries, where possible (like FAFSA in the US), and set up scholarship schemes too. I feel really sad for people with less resources, that will now be unable to study in Norway.
The problem is that at least for the STEM related masters programs (i.e. engineering), the international grads pay back by taking employment in Norway and then working in our country and paying tax. We need well educated and qualified talents, we have managed to reduce the talent pool significantly while not making a big financial different for our country at all. We should at least set up a similar approach as US with scholarships and other support schemes to help the young talents that actually want to contribute while seeking higher education in our country to still find opportunities here. Its not fair at all that someone with a low income family background from a developing country should suddenly pay 100-200k a year in addition to living cost, when someone from Norway with solid financial backing wouldnt. I understand that we pay tax, but we also want to stay competetive for the coming years. With the «eldrebølgen» incoming in combo with low birth rates, accepting and facilitating for young talented people with strong capabilities to migrate here is the only viable option to offset this for us to stay competetive.
If you want to charge people you start gradually, the foreigners first then in no time they’ll be charging it’s citizens. Seriously people are complaining on here you should see the UK.
I am a non Norwegian living in Norway and I think it’s fair .
Here are the rules :
If you are a citizen, a temp or permanent resident or have been full time employed in Norway you can study for free . If you have never paid a single penny in tax to Norway, you have to pay the fees.
How is this unfair ?
What public opposition? Very biased headlne
Aw man, I wanted to study in to live in norway. It seems like such a cool country based on the people I’ve met
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good, there is no reason for us to allow ourselves to be milked for free education
I mean, “public opposition” is a very vague and undefined term…did *many* people complain? Were they Norwegians? Or were they potential international students?
I don’t wanna say too much of my opinions on this case because I’m not someone who studied in Norway but I really don’t understand why it should be free for all international students. Obviously there are some cases where it should be free or lower cost (scholarships/economic hardship, etc.), but having it be flat-out-free for internationals is a bit ridiculous. As far as I know, we’re the only country who had a system like that.
Must be one of the moste sane things this government has done so far.
Free tuition is a good way to get competent people to move to Norway. Kind of a gateway drug if it works
When the “public opposition” mainly consists of universities, student organizations and a few, small far-left parties I’m not really sure if there’s much opposition to be honest.
The vast majority of Norwegians either doesn’t care or support tuition fees, and the opposition has failed to prove that keeping the status quo was beneficial to the average Norwegian taxpayer.
I’m not surprised at all. We all knew it was going to pass.
I also don’t understand the “didn’t listen to opposition” – I mean, yeah? What’s your point really.
Based
On one hand, I absolutely see the advantages of letting foreign students study here, when studying things like engineering or medicine. Those are things Norway is lacking domestically, so even if the students work here for just a fee years, it seems like a good investment.
On the other hand one of the bigger articles on this topic a while back was a foreign student studying an art degree here. As much respect as art degrees deserve, I fail to see why our tax payers should pay for a degree like that, for a non citizen. What does the tax payer get for that investment?
This is only for non-European citizens by the way. It would be against the EEA single market’s rules to discriminate between Norwegians and other europeans.
So, does this even change much? How many people from other continents come to Norway to study?
And just like that my country is less in my eyes than it was. Too bad.
Norwegian youth can get a free education because their parents pay taxes. International students can’t because they don’t. I think this is fair.
Well what has mattered the most has been the positive experience from Sweden and Denmark and that in a Nordic setting is far superior to many other things for the Norwegian government. That was also the case when Finland introduced it, the Nordic cooperation is in that sense very strong and open in sharing the result and experience from their policies. Also i think that the average Norwegian actually support it but a vocal minority might not.
People here think they’d never be too dumb to fall for divide and conquer tactics and here they are on their high horses being readied like lambs for the slaughter.
Does this law affect a lot of people? No. Was there unanimous societal opposition? No. Is there some reason to do this? Yes sure you can justify value for money on a lot of things. But key question. Is this a regression? Yes, in a country sitting on a giant money pile why the lack of generosity. People make it sound as if it was a giant financial black hole being borne by the poor, overburdened Norwegian public.
Translated cause tired Norwegian brain: Important to remember this only counts for students outside the EEA or Switzerland. (Original: Viktig å ikke glemme i denne saken at det kun gjelder studenter utenfor EØS og Sveits.)
Just to add some context on how many people will be affected and how much money will be saved:
> The sum of the budget savings and release of educational capacity for Norway and EEA applicants is roughly estimated at around **NOK 1.2 billion**.
> The introduction of tuition fees is in line with developments in the Nordics and Europe elsewhere, and will help to increase capacity for students from Norway and the EEA area at a time of great pressure on study capacity.
> The ten countries outside the EEA and Switzerland from which most full-degree students come to Norway:
> China – 834
> Iran – 650
> USA – 434
> Pakistan – 525
> India – 514
> Russia – 273
> Syria – 623
> Bangladesh – 274
> Nepal – 501
> The Philippines – 322
Source: https://www.regjeringen.no/no/aktuelt/utenlandske-studenter/id2930852/?expand=factbox2932033
The biggest caveat of course is that it does not apply to students from EEA countries nor **exchange students**.
This doesn’t make a lot of sense as often Norwegian students have to pay tuition fees when studying abroad for an exchange year, so it would only be fair to charge tuition fees in kind too
I am very grateful and privileged to have received a free masters as a non-EU student who studied in Norway as a benefit from the Norwegian system. However, while I enjoyed the program, it will now cost around 400,000 kroner total for non-EU. This is before rent and having the money apply for your study permit. The quality of the program and the campus resources and amenities would not justify that price at all. The quality of the program would have to majorly increase. Of course for Norwegians and Europeans it will still be a good option, but if you are paying that price you might as well study in the US, where the quality of the programs can be quite good as well as numerous benefits from the college campuses.
vel, de kutter hardt i sektoren nå – så en grei måte å dekke inn noen av utgiftene.
I think this is fair. When I as a Norwegian went to study in the Uk I also had to pay international student fees. I paid roughly 7k GBP per year for my bachelor. And even more for the master.
one of the only sane decisions of the new government, we are not here to pay for others piggybacking of us
Very sad news. I’m lucky in that my program will cost a little less than most US programs, and my parents assisted me this year, but next year is kinda up in the air. Hopefully schools in Norway make it possible for students to take out loans in their home countries, where possible (like FAFSA in the US), and set up scholarship schemes too. I feel really sad for people with less resources, that will now be unable to study in Norway.
The problem is that at least for the STEM related masters programs (i.e. engineering), the international grads pay back by taking employment in Norway and then working in our country and paying tax. We need well educated and qualified talents, we have managed to reduce the talent pool significantly while not making a big financial different for our country at all. We should at least set up a similar approach as US with scholarships and other support schemes to help the young talents that actually want to contribute while seeking higher education in our country to still find opportunities here. Its not fair at all that someone with a low income family background from a developing country should suddenly pay 100-200k a year in addition to living cost, when someone from Norway with solid financial backing wouldnt. I understand that we pay tax, but we also want to stay competetive for the coming years. With the «eldrebølgen» incoming in combo with low birth rates, accepting and facilitating for young talented people with strong capabilities to migrate here is the only viable option to offset this for us to stay competetive.
If you want to charge people you start gradually, the foreigners first then in no time they’ll be charging it’s citizens. Seriously people are complaining on here you should see the UK.
I am a non Norwegian living in Norway and I think it’s fair .
Here are the rules :
If you are a citizen, a temp or permanent resident or have been full time employed in Norway you can study for free . If you have never paid a single penny in tax to Norway, you have to pay the fees.
How is this unfair ?
What public opposition? Very biased headlne
Aw man, I wanted to study in to live in norway. It seems like such a cool country based on the people I’ve met