It’s hard to send help in a conflict zone regardless of his shock. It was difficult supporting even Turkey with their earthquake and they’re not at war. I don’t get what he expected.
I’m starting to think NGOs might have trouble working in an active war zone while being targeted by Russia.
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The UN can only: 🙈, 🙉, 🙊
I mean the UN is just as useful as its member state.
Wait. We are discussing UN and Red Cross inaction in humanitarian help to victims of Kakhovka dam disaster. Supposedly they didn’t offer help for Ukraine despite that’s their responsibility. And comments here are pointing it’s because it would be dangerous for their personnel, and Zelensky is bad guy if he doesn’t accept it. In other words: either UN and Red Cross are deliberately doing nothing to help people in danger (Okay, in case of UN that’s nothing new. UN’s speciality is standing around doing nothing during genocides), or they are not providing assistance because they are afraid they would be hit by Russian weapons. Which is in case of Red Cross direct and flagrant violation of Geneva Conventions. It is already clear that UN is useless in armed conflicts, but now is useless even Red Cross? It’s basic reason to exist is provide assistance in war zones. And Zelensky is bad guy according to some guys here for pointing it out?
Not only does UN do shit, it also actively diminishes the scale of Russian crimes.
You have this organization that’s supposed to be the pinnacle of world diplomacy. This very body publishes a “Russian language day” on the day that Russia causes this humanitarian catastrophe AND does not even delete the tweet after the backlash.
UN is **detrimental** at this point and should be disbanded.
*non-reaction
Remember when Zelensky swore that Russia had dropped a bomb in Poland only to be found out that it was actually his? Ya, the guy is just full reactionary
Just an important note: we expected these organizations to help evacuate the people we literally can’t. There are several towns in the Russian controlled side where people are on their roofs for days now. Russian “authorities” don’t organize evacuation for even towns that are practically fully underwater now. Telegram and other channels of some of these towns and cities are full of desperate messages, asking anyone to help them. There are messages where someone writes “family of 4 needs urgent help”, then a few hours laters “grandma already drowned, so family of 3”. A lot of them that were online yesterday are not online today, probably phone died so we don’t even know what happened to them. Bodies are floating down the streets. A house top was washed up today in the shores of ODESA. A volunteer saw a woman with a kid trying to climb up, but slipped and fell back into the water. All two of them probably drowned died.
The number of animals that died are in the thousands, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of people that drowned are reaching the same numbers. We can’t do anything about the other side except lift people on rooftops water and food with drones. But those are just the ones that managed to get to their roofs. Any disabled or pensioner that weren’t strong enough to climb up probably drowned the first day. Again, the Russians are busy shelling the parts we’re trying to evacuate on the UA-controlled side, so probably don’t have time saving the hundreds of people still stuck in submerged villages.
From every possible point of view, be it environmental damage, agricultural damage, and casualties, this incident is way more catastrophic than you could imagine. It will have a very long lasting consequence on the region. Russians basically mass murdered a lot of people, cut off a huge chunk from Ukraine’s GDP, and caused an ecological catastrophe with one simple action.
According to the president of the german red cross there are actually helpers of the ukrainian and international red cross active there
“When our people try to save them, the occupiers launch attacks”
Exactly, the UN nor the Red Cross will start up rescue missions at an active, heavily bombarded war-front.
Sometimes it feels like Zelensky is shaming Ukraine’s foreign partners to get them to do more, and it feels like this here as well.
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It’s hard to send help in a conflict zone regardless of his shock. It was difficult supporting even Turkey with their earthquake and they’re not at war. I don’t get what he expected.
I’m starting to think NGOs might have trouble working in an active war zone while being targeted by Russia.
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The UN can only: 🙈, 🙉, 🙊
I mean the UN is just as useful as its member state.
Wait. We are discussing UN and Red Cross inaction in humanitarian help to victims of Kakhovka dam disaster. Supposedly they didn’t offer help for Ukraine despite that’s their responsibility. And comments here are pointing it’s because it would be dangerous for their personnel, and Zelensky is bad guy if he doesn’t accept it. In other words: either UN and Red Cross are deliberately doing nothing to help people in danger (Okay, in case of UN that’s nothing new. UN’s speciality is standing around doing nothing during genocides), or they are not providing assistance because they are afraid they would be hit by Russian weapons. Which is in case of Red Cross direct and flagrant violation of Geneva Conventions. It is already clear that UN is useless in armed conflicts, but now is useless even Red Cross? It’s basic reason to exist is provide assistance in war zones. And Zelensky is bad guy according to some guys here for pointing it out?
Not only does UN do shit, it also actively diminishes the scale of Russian crimes.
You have this organization that’s supposed to be the pinnacle of world diplomacy. This very body publishes a “Russian language day” on the day that Russia causes this humanitarian catastrophe AND does not even delete the tweet after the backlash.
UN is **detrimental** at this point and should be disbanded.
*non-reaction
Remember when Zelensky swore that Russia had dropped a bomb in Poland only to be found out that it was actually his? Ya, the guy is just full reactionary
Just an important note: we expected these organizations to help evacuate the people we literally can’t. There are several towns in the Russian controlled side where people are on their roofs for days now. Russian “authorities” don’t organize evacuation for even towns that are practically fully underwater now. Telegram and other channels of some of these towns and cities are full of desperate messages, asking anyone to help them. There are messages where someone writes “family of 4 needs urgent help”, then a few hours laters “grandma already drowned, so family of 3”. A lot of them that were online yesterday are not online today, probably phone died so we don’t even know what happened to them. Bodies are floating down the streets. A house top was washed up today in the shores of ODESA. A volunteer saw a woman with a kid trying to climb up, but slipped and fell back into the water. All two of them probably drowned died.
The number of animals that died are in the thousands, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of people that drowned are reaching the same numbers. We can’t do anything about the other side except lift people on rooftops water and food with drones. But those are just the ones that managed to get to their roofs. Any disabled or pensioner that weren’t strong enough to climb up probably drowned the first day. Again, the Russians are busy shelling the parts we’re trying to evacuate on the UA-controlled side, so probably don’t have time saving the hundreds of people still stuck in submerged villages.
From every possible point of view, be it environmental damage, agricultural damage, and casualties, this incident is way more catastrophic than you could imagine. It will have a very long lasting consequence on the region. Russians basically mass murdered a lot of people, cut off a huge chunk from Ukraine’s GDP, and caused an ecological catastrophe with one simple action.
According to the president of the german red cross there are actually helpers of the ukrainian and international red cross active there
“When our people try to save them, the occupiers launch attacks”
Exactly, the UN nor the Red Cross will start up rescue missions at an active, heavily bombarded war-front.
Sometimes it feels like Zelensky is shaming Ukraine’s foreign partners to get them to do more, and it feels like this here as well.
Maybe he shouldn’t bomb it then
As other comments pointed out here, the red cross is acting in ukraine in general tho maybe less specifically in kherson https://redcross.org.ua/en/uncategorized/2023/06/49817/
edit a lot of ressources are or have probably been rebranded as “ukrainian red cross” i suspect, tho that’s fine… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Red_Cross_Society its for humanitarian purposes either way.
(and no, beyond that inappropriate post , so far the UN hasn’t been a problem/hindrance. i guess people still make occasional mistakes is all..)
edit even (found in another comment here) : https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/06/1137472