That’s definitely not how you’re going to gain your lost credibility after your multiple fck ups Der Spiegel.
I think I’m going to block r/europe from now on. The apologetics here are unreal.
The pathetic moral police going on its next journey…
It’s kinda ironic that a band that has made fetishisation and bondage a defing part of their image for decades, then end up being an actual bunch of perverts.
Ok, so unless something changed – when I read the allegations they seem quite… empty? I’m not entirely sure what he has actually supposed to have done that’s actually immoral rather than just odd.
– 1 girl alleges that she was taken backstage for a party. She was pulled aside into a separate room with 4 other girls and Till walks in, she says ‘is this a sex thing?’, to which it was confirmed by a staff member present, and she says she isn’t interested and then Till left. She says that he reacted ‘angrily’ but that’s such a vague term that could range from grunted irritably, to actual outright intimidation. But we have no idea which one it is.
– Another girl alleges passing out and coming to with Till in physical contact with her, as she comes to, he asks her if she’s okay and if she wants him to go away, to which she says yes – and he does so immediately.
I don’t know which girl of the above it is, but one of the two alleged that they were drugged. Now, normally, thats very difficult to validate given how quickly drugs leave the blood stream *except in this case the girl went for a drug test and it was negative*.
There were some other girls ‘coming forward’ on social media as well, to which their stories summed to: “yes, I was propositioned. I said no. He left.”
Has anything else come out? Because that was it when I read about it last time. Headline could be: “Aging rockstar has consenting sex with women in their mid-to-late 20s backstage”.
Well, innocent until proven guilty of course if there has been any actual illegal stuff or rape going on. But having groupies or a groupie-system is not the same and not anything new lol. And when you are as big as Rammstein then I can guarantee you there is a never-ending stream of them.
I wonder, do other countries’ media also milk this story like the Germans? It literally every where.
Please some context
Trail by media
Germany’s Jimmy Saville
This whole thing just made me decide to never get a tattoo of a famous person because you never know.
Has anyone seen any of their video clips? They are basically posterboys for degeneracy. I love their music though.
Has the man been tried in a court of law and not the court of public opinion?
My man, Till is fine. Also, Rammstein must have some bloody good lawyers, too. I’m sure of that.
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what happened to his face?
Does it really surprise anyone that a person whose entire artistic persona is wrapped up in deviancy might indeed be a deviant?
Edit: I think “deviance” was a poorly chosen word here.
Nice SPIEGEL condemning Lindeman before the trial even began. Qualitätsjournalismus/s
Remember, although it’s a picture of Till, do not support Der Spiegel by buying the paper version (if there’s one).
so, was the whole band in on it, or only Till?
FYI for those who understand spoken German: Flake’s (the keyboarder) [monthly radio show](https://www.radioeins.de/programm/sendungen/die_sendung/die-sendung.html) airs next Tuesday 14.7.
I’ll surely tune in this time.
I trust zero in the charges against him.
That’s definitely not how you’re going to gain your lost credibility after your multiple fck ups Der Spiegel.
I think I’m going to block r/europe from now on. The apologetics here are unreal.
The pathetic moral police going on its next journey…
It’s kinda ironic that a band that has made fetishisation and bondage a defing part of their image for decades, then end up being an actual bunch of perverts.
Ok, so unless something changed – when I read the allegations they seem quite… empty? I’m not entirely sure what he has actually supposed to have done that’s actually immoral rather than just odd.
– 1 girl alleges that she was taken backstage for a party. She was pulled aside into a separate room with 4 other girls and Till walks in, she says ‘is this a sex thing?’, to which it was confirmed by a staff member present, and she says she isn’t interested and then Till left. She says that he reacted ‘angrily’ but that’s such a vague term that could range from grunted irritably, to actual outright intimidation. But we have no idea which one it is.
– Another girl alleges passing out and coming to with Till in physical contact with her, as she comes to, he asks her if she’s okay and if she wants him to go away, to which she says yes – and he does so immediately.
I don’t know which girl of the above it is, but one of the two alleged that they were drugged. Now, normally, thats very difficult to validate given how quickly drugs leave the blood stream *except in this case the girl went for a drug test and it was negative*.
There were some other girls ‘coming forward’ on social media as well, to which their stories summed to: “yes, I was propositioned. I said no. He left.”
Has anything else come out? Because that was it when I read about it last time. Headline could be: “Aging rockstar has consenting sex with women in their mid-to-late 20s backstage”.
Well, innocent until proven guilty of course if there has been any actual illegal stuff or rape going on. But having groupies or a groupie-system is not the same and not anything new lol. And when you are as big as Rammstein then I can guarantee you there is a never-ending stream of them.
I wonder, do other countries’ media also milk this story like the Germans? It literally every where.
Please some context
Trail by media
Germany’s Jimmy Saville
This whole thing just made me decide to never get a tattoo of a famous person because you never know.
Has anyone seen any of their video clips? They are basically posterboys for degeneracy. I love their music though.
Has the man been tried in a court of law and not the court of public opinion?
My man, Till is fine. Also, Rammstein must have some bloody good lawyers, too. I’m sure of that.