As far as I’m aware abortions are legal in Poland – and it’s up to the Doctor whether he wants to kill the baby or risk the mother’s life..
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Wtf
“Poland’s example could serve as a cautionary tale for other countries pursuing near-total abortion bans. Currently, several US states are in the process of — or have recently introduced — restrictive anti-abortion laws prohibiting abortion after detecting the so-called foetal heart rate.”
Bruh they’re so naive if they think faith fanatics give a shit.
She died of medical neglect, not because of anti-abortion laws.
I’d really focus on hunting down all cases of medical neglect (including this one!) that is counted in hundreds if not thousands of cases annually, not just on cases where it can be tied to a politically-loaded topic.
I don’t understand why our government wants to force women into having unwanted babies. Actually I do, because it all stems from ideology and church influence, but why do women have to die from fetal defects and complications.
This is all so terribly unfair to adults who have already dedicated decades of contributing to the economy. Fetuses are NOT more important than a grown up individual. To hell (the same one the church has made up) with these kinds of politics.
the people on this website are insufferable, i guarantee most people being downvoted here are correct
One of the worst things that happened with civil rights in Poland.
PiS will be forever remembered as oppressors of the nation.. They actively tried to dismantle and affect all the aspects of everyday life.
I just hope this is the end for them..
Took them 4 days to determine the baby had died, then hours to do anything after that and she died. Just take out the abortion portion of this and just consider the treatment in general. The whole thing is a joke. She complains she has a headache, they know there are complications, still nothing.
I’d want to know how many times they did an ultrasound to monitor the baby anyway. If the deal is you can’t have an abortion do they even know if the fetus was alive the whole time? So many questionable things going on here. Man
There is so much wrong with this whole scenario, which is exactly why I’d never choose to have any sort of surgery or operation done in Poland.
Friends father is waiting over a year to have his knee operated on because it’s swollen and infected. Doctor warns they’ll probably have to remove it or potentially his leg if the condition worsens, yet the timeline is a year and a half? Makes sense!
Other friend has cysts in abdomen and was told they should be removed, small simple procedure with tiny incisions, right before surgery surgeon walks in and says he’ll make a 18cm cut across her stomach to remove them.
After the nurses and anesthesiologist both said “yeah no big deal just a couple small cuts” and after the examining doctor said the same thing. (The typical procedure in most of the rest of the world.)
The reasoning? “We don’t have the tools to do that, you could try in Warsaw. When you find out they can’t do it you can come back here though.”
This doesn’t give me any confidence that proper actions would be taken regardless of what the law even says.
Edit: and before people get mad because they’re saying I just hate Poland, I’ll be back in a while, so obviously not, but people there deserve better. Some of the stuff is just ridiculous. Taxes are going up all the time, ZUS is getting more expensive, now they want to “donate” 800pln for kids and you still get stuff like this happening?
I get it sometimes accidents happen everywhere but this seems like too much of a trend and people dont deserve that.
>due to the change to abortion laws
Where is the evidence for that? When Macierewicz says Tusk conspired with Putin to murder Pres. Kaczyński I ask: Where is the evidence for this claim? I ask the same question now.
The doctors will be charged with involuntary manslaughter and put in prison for 5+ years.
Their hospital director (PiS-affiliated) already submitted paperwork with Prosecutor General.
Before the 2020 Constitutional Tribunal verdict, there were ~30 abortions per year “to save the woman’s life or health”. Afterwards this number increased 10x to 300 per year. If any of those doctors performing hundreds of those life-saving procedures are having any legal problems – **what are their names? Never heard of even one.**
Even The Pope says that abortion is permitted as life-saving measure. Premarital sex? Sin. Not going to church on sunday? Sin. Performing life-saving abortion? Not sin.
But those doctors whose pregnant patients are dying? They are going to prison, Prosecutor General Ziobro will make sure of that.
>Polska znajduje się w czołówce najbezpieczniejszych miejsc dla ciężarnych. W naszym kraju notuje się trzy przypadki śmierci kobiet na 100 tysięcy żywych urodzeń
That means ~9 pregnant women died every year. It seems like there is steady improvement from 1990 to the next raport from 2019. During the election season PiS will just take out hard, cold, unforgiving numbers and say that more women died in pregnancy when PO was in power. “Platforma pozwalała kobietom umierać” will be the chyron in TVP.
How will opposition respond to that if they really want to win? Will they say that the law needs to be changed so abortion is legal when woman’s life or health is in danger?
I always find news like this interesting.Gazeta Wyborcza cited as independent and not-biased source of information and completely misunderstanding the role of doctors in this situation is somehow always present in reports like this.
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As far as I’m aware abortions are legal in Poland – and it’s up to the Doctor whether he wants to kill the baby or risk the mother’s life..
***** ***
Wtf
“Poland’s example could serve as a cautionary tale for other countries pursuing near-total abortion bans. Currently, several US states are in the process of — or have recently introduced — restrictive anti-abortion laws prohibiting abortion after detecting the so-called foetal heart rate.”
Bruh they’re so naive if they think faith fanatics give a shit.
She died of medical neglect, not because of anti-abortion laws.
I’d really focus on hunting down all cases of medical neglect (including this one!) that is counted in hundreds if not thousands of cases annually, not just on cases where it can be tied to a politically-loaded topic.
I don’t understand why our government wants to force women into having unwanted babies. Actually I do, because it all stems from ideology and church influence, but why do women have to die from fetal defects and complications.
This is all so terribly unfair to adults who have already dedicated decades of contributing to the economy. Fetuses are NOT more important than a grown up individual. To hell (the same one the church has made up) with these kinds of politics.
the people on this website are insufferable, i guarantee most people being downvoted here are correct
One of the worst things that happened with civil rights in Poland.
PiS will be forever remembered as oppressors of the nation.. They actively tried to dismantle and affect all the aspects of everyday life.
I just hope this is the end for them..
Took them 4 days to determine the baby had died, then hours to do anything after that and she died. Just take out the abortion portion of this and just consider the treatment in general. The whole thing is a joke. She complains she has a headache, they know there are complications, still nothing.
I’d want to know how many times they did an ultrasound to monitor the baby anyway. If the deal is you can’t have an abortion do they even know if the fetus was alive the whole time? So many questionable things going on here. Man
There is so much wrong with this whole scenario, which is exactly why I’d never choose to have any sort of surgery or operation done in Poland.
Friends father is waiting over a year to have his knee operated on because it’s swollen and infected. Doctor warns they’ll probably have to remove it or potentially his leg if the condition worsens, yet the timeline is a year and a half? Makes sense!
Other friend has cysts in abdomen and was told they should be removed, small simple procedure with tiny incisions, right before surgery surgeon walks in and says he’ll make a 18cm cut across her stomach to remove them.
After the nurses and anesthesiologist both said “yeah no big deal just a couple small cuts” and after the examining doctor said the same thing. (The typical procedure in most of the rest of the world.)
The reasoning? “We don’t have the tools to do that, you could try in Warsaw. When you find out they can’t do it you can come back here though.”
This doesn’t give me any confidence that proper actions would be taken regardless of what the law even says.
Edit: and before people get mad because they’re saying I just hate Poland, I’ll be back in a while, so obviously not, but people there deserve better. Some of the stuff is just ridiculous. Taxes are going up all the time, ZUS is getting more expensive, now they want to “donate” 800pln for kids and you still get stuff like this happening?
I get it sometimes accidents happen everywhere but this seems like too much of a trend and people dont deserve that.
>due to the change to abortion laws
Where is the evidence for that? When Macierewicz says Tusk conspired with Putin to murder Pres. Kaczyński I ask: Where is the evidence for this claim? I ask the same question now.
Abortion is [legal](https://sip.lex.pl/akty-prawne/dzu-dziennik-ustaw/planowanie-rodziny-ochrona-plodu-ludzkiego-i-warunki-16795126/art-4-a) when *performed by a doctor* and ***woman’s health or life is in danger***.
The doctors will be charged with involuntary manslaughter and put in prison for 5+ years.
Their hospital director (PiS-affiliated) already submitted paperwork with Prosecutor General.
Before the 2020 Constitutional Tribunal verdict, there were ~30 abortions per year “to save the woman’s life or health”. Afterwards this number increased 10x to 300 per year. If any of those doctors performing hundreds of those life-saving procedures are having any legal problems – **what are their names? Never heard of even one.**
Even The Pope says that abortion is permitted as life-saving measure. Premarital sex? Sin. Not going to church on sunday? Sin. Performing life-saving abortion? Not sin.
But those doctors whose pregnant patients are dying? They are going to prison, Prosecutor General Ziobro will make sure of that.
This is an article from 2015, months before PiS was elected: [Polska wśród najbezpieczniejszych krajów dla kobiet w ciąży](https://parenting.pl/polska-wsrod-najbezpieczniejszych-krajow-dla-kobiet-w-ciazy)
>Polska znajduje się w czołówce najbezpieczniejszych miejsc dla ciężarnych. W naszym kraju notuje się trzy przypadki śmierci kobiet na 100 tysięcy żywych urodzeń
That means ~9 pregnant women died every year. It seems like there is steady improvement from 1990 to the next raport from 2019. During the election season PiS will just take out hard, cold, unforgiving numbers and say that more women died in pregnancy when PO was in power. “Platforma pozwalała kobietom umierać” will be the chyron in TVP.
How will opposition respond to that if they really want to win? Will they say that the law needs to be changed so abortion is legal when woman’s life or health is in danger?
I always find news like this interesting.Gazeta Wyborcza cited as independent and not-biased source of information and completely misunderstanding the role of doctors in this situation is somehow always present in reports like this.