On the news they said there’s a loophole where you can’t SELL nicotine vapes to kids, but you can give them away to kids. ROFL, what?? Does the tobacco lobby write the laws in the UK?
Selling of vapes should come under the same laws as sales of alcohol. Named person, process whereby people can object to a licence etc.
I’ve smoked and vaped, and I know a lot people that smoke or vape. In my anecdotal experience, there is a clear correlation between (the lack of) mental wellbeing and the likelihood of someone using nicotine.
Unsurprisingly miserable people want to feel good.
I of course understand that nicotine is a particularly insidious drug, but think the rise of kids vaping is a symptom of far larger issues.
I’ve been out of the education system for years now but I still remember how miserable I was when in school, and I’ve not heard anything that would indicate that things have gotten better since then.
Kids are going to understaffed schools to take on an ever increasing workload with less and less support.
It’s also worth noting that an increasing number of children live in poverty, have parents that both have to work full time, and may be going hungry or at least aren’t eating nutritious food.
There’s very little that kids can do out the house because everything costs money that they don’t have, so kids turn to social media which screws up their mental health even more.
Ideally there would be resources to help these kids, but mental health support through the NHS has been crippled by underfunding.
The reward for making it through childhood? They get to enter the workforce where they’ll work in potentially traumatising jobs for low pay in a country where the cost of living is skyrocketing.
They deal with all of this under the looming shadow of climate crisis and resource wars with no hope for things getting better.
Disposable vapes are a serious problem for many reasons. My concern however, is that if we aren’t going to address the reasons why these kids need a vice in the first place, then banning vapes is only going to push people to use illegal and unregulated vapes, or even more dangerous drugs instead.
Society has failed today’s children, I can’t blame them for wanting to suck on a fruit flavoured stick that makes everything feel ok for 10 seconds. I would never condone it, but I understand why they do it.
Ban them, they’re plastic ending up on landfill, ffs people can’t do anything right
As a former vaper, this is the way.
Don’t ban vaping, flavours or colours, or spread disinformation about how glycerol is more deadly than tar and formaldehyde. Just ban bloody disposables and call it a day
I have been expecting this for a long time.
I have vaped for years now – the boring regular kind that needs refilling and doesn’t even make massive plumes – and when I saw these becoming a thing, I knew they’d have to be banned.
I have bought them on a few occasions, like when I’ve forgotten mine or it needed charging or something – and they’re a very guilty pleasure. They taste delicious, but they’re so very bad for the environment.
And then there’s the kids in school uniforms buying them from a local newsagents. Definitely not good.
They’re far too accessible. As a smoker who went to vaping, in my eyes it’s not for new people to take on. The trend of smoking was moving downwards, vaping arrived and more people started taking it up buying the line “less harmful than tobacco”, sure they’re less harmful than tobacco but to what degree? The simple fact of the matter is anything inhaled other than fresh air is no good for the respiratory system. The disposables have made the situation even worse. Too easy to pick up and get started. Should make every vape a rebuild type one where you have to make the coil, wick etc. Would see a massive downturn in the amount of vapes found in the street at the very leas, and maybe even see less teens vaping because it wouldn’t be as accessible. I’m all for people’s freedom to make bad choices but as someone who has smoked more than half his life and from a generation before vaping even arrived this is one thing I personally think should be banned altogether. It’s far too damaging to us and those around us, and I wouldn’t be sad to see the tobacco industry completely destroyed if I’m perfectly honest
I find this all a bit silly.
Vaping is being critiqued in the same fashion smoking is, despite vaping being so much safer.Now obviously we don’t want kids and teenagers getting hooked on vaping, but when childhood obesity is far more of an issue than teenager vapers, why should vapes be limited (despite 18+ laws already being in place) when you have TV adverts for haribo where kids are singing the theme tune and there’s a teddy bear on the brightly coloured packet?
Banning disposable vapes due to environmental concerns is legitimate, but this whole “won’t somebody think of the children” reason is inconsistent with how we restrict bigger issues like obesity.
If not for the kids, do it anyway, it’s just such a fucking waste.
There is no proof of any impact, you can’t just ban things because someone might or might not find something bad about it someday in the future
Dumbfuck parents should just stop giving their kids money to buy said vapes.
It annoys me the environment aspect isn’t even part of the discussion. These things should never have been legal in the first place. The planet doesn’t need another several hundred million toxic batteries polluting the earth and oceans just so Barry from the estate can chug on his mango flavoured smoke for cheap.
I use disposables and buy literally one a month because it moderates my use. Why should I lose out because some dickheads can’t parent their kids properly?
We should be banning disposable vapes for lots of reasons.
Crackdown on the traders breaking the law and selling to children? Nope, too hard.
Ban them for everyone, so even adults who use them responsibly so that they don’t go back to cigarettes are punished. Much easier.
I’m a vaper. The fact that disposable vapes are still a thing is fucking insane. They’re so awful for the environment, kids are hooked on them, it’s a fuckin shambles.
Why do vapes get to market all cool and sleek? Ban disposable vapes and put way more restrictions on normal vapes and vape fluids. It’s a no-brainer and insane that it’s not happened yet.
Vapes are an aid to quit smoking. I cannot fathom why kids think it’s cool or trendy to vape. Why don’t they just smoke?
> Essentially nicotine salts are a more addictive form of nicotine. They peak harder and faster and decline more quickly, intensifying both the positive feedback and withdrawal mechanisms that underly addiction. Couple that with the fact disposables are very attractive to minors due to the flavours they come in, and I think we’re on the precipice of a major health crisis.
ANYTHING disposable usually equals litter, public nuisance and landfill.
They’re advertised in shop windows in my town like ice lollies, insane
There is no need for disposable vapes. At the same time, there is no need to be limiting the size of liquid bottles one can buy, or the size of a tank one is able to buy. Ban the former, revoke the latter, and the market will lean toward larger devices with a longer lifespan.
Mandate replaceable batteries whilst you’re at it. /r/18650masterrace.
Just ban nicotine, legalise something more fun, everyone’s a winner
I don’t really understand why you can’t just sell the pods without the battery and sell a separate, rechargeable battery that it attaches to and save heaps of lithium in the process.
Normally shitting corner shops who sell these shit things are don’t ask for ID any proper vape outlet store will always ask for ID if you look too young.
Here’s a crazy idea: how about parents take some responsibility for their own children, and we punish the awful, neglectful parents who are incapable of doing so?
It shouldn’t be the government’s responsibility to parent your spawn.
Once again the answer is simple.
Make Vapes a licensed product along the lines of fags and booze.
Boom, job done.
I sincerely doubt the statistics would back up the claims that this is a serious problem.
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On the news they said there’s a loophole where you can’t SELL nicotine vapes to kids, but you can give them away to kids. ROFL, what?? Does the tobacco lobby write the laws in the UK?
Selling of vapes should come under the same laws as sales of alcohol. Named person, process whereby people can object to a licence etc.
I’ve smoked and vaped, and I know a lot people that smoke or vape. In my anecdotal experience, there is a clear correlation between (the lack of) mental wellbeing and the likelihood of someone using nicotine.
Unsurprisingly miserable people want to feel good.
I of course understand that nicotine is a particularly insidious drug, but think the rise of kids vaping is a symptom of far larger issues.
I’ve been out of the education system for years now but I still remember how miserable I was when in school, and I’ve not heard anything that would indicate that things have gotten better since then.
Kids are going to understaffed schools to take on an ever increasing workload with less and less support.
It’s also worth noting that an increasing number of children live in poverty, have parents that both have to work full time, and may be going hungry or at least aren’t eating nutritious food.
There’s very little that kids can do out the house because everything costs money that they don’t have, so kids turn to social media which screws up their mental health even more.
Ideally there would be resources to help these kids, but mental health support through the NHS has been crippled by underfunding.
The reward for making it through childhood? They get to enter the workforce where they’ll work in potentially traumatising jobs for low pay in a country where the cost of living is skyrocketing.
They deal with all of this under the looming shadow of climate crisis and resource wars with no hope for things getting better.
Disposable vapes are a serious problem for many reasons. My concern however, is that if we aren’t going to address the reasons why these kids need a vice in the first place, then banning vapes is only going to push people to use illegal and unregulated vapes, or even more dangerous drugs instead.
Society has failed today’s children, I can’t blame them for wanting to suck on a fruit flavoured stick that makes everything feel ok for 10 seconds. I would never condone it, but I understand why they do it.
Ban them, they’re plastic ending up on landfill, ffs people can’t do anything right
As a former vaper, this is the way.
Don’t ban vaping, flavours or colours, or spread disinformation about how glycerol is more deadly than tar and formaldehyde. Just ban bloody disposables and call it a day
I have been expecting this for a long time.
I have vaped for years now – the boring regular kind that needs refilling and doesn’t even make massive plumes – and when I saw these becoming a thing, I knew they’d have to be banned.
I have bought them on a few occasions, like when I’ve forgotten mine or it needed charging or something – and they’re a very guilty pleasure. They taste delicious, but they’re so very bad for the environment.
And then there’s the kids in school uniforms buying them from a local newsagents. Definitely not good.
They’re far too accessible. As a smoker who went to vaping, in my eyes it’s not for new people to take on. The trend of smoking was moving downwards, vaping arrived and more people started taking it up buying the line “less harmful than tobacco”, sure they’re less harmful than tobacco but to what degree? The simple fact of the matter is anything inhaled other than fresh air is no good for the respiratory system. The disposables have made the situation even worse. Too easy to pick up and get started. Should make every vape a rebuild type one where you have to make the coil, wick etc. Would see a massive downturn in the amount of vapes found in the street at the very leas, and maybe even see less teens vaping because it wouldn’t be as accessible. I’m all for people’s freedom to make bad choices but as someone who has smoked more than half his life and from a generation before vaping even arrived this is one thing I personally think should be banned altogether. It’s far too damaging to us and those around us, and I wouldn’t be sad to see the tobacco industry completely destroyed if I’m perfectly honest
I find this all a bit silly.
Vaping is being critiqued in the same fashion smoking is, despite vaping being so much safer.Now obviously we don’t want kids and teenagers getting hooked on vaping, but when childhood obesity is far more of an issue than teenager vapers, why should vapes be limited (despite 18+ laws already being in place) when you have TV adverts for haribo where kids are singing the theme tune and there’s a teddy bear on the brightly coloured packet?
Banning disposable vapes due to environmental concerns is legitimate, but this whole “won’t somebody think of the children” reason is inconsistent with how we restrict bigger issues like obesity.
If not for the kids, do it anyway, it’s just such a fucking waste.
There is no proof of any impact, you can’t just ban things because someone might or might not find something bad about it someday in the future
Dumbfuck parents should just stop giving their kids money to buy said vapes.
It annoys me the environment aspect isn’t even part of the discussion. These things should never have been legal in the first place. The planet doesn’t need another several hundred million toxic batteries polluting the earth and oceans just so Barry from the estate can chug on his mango flavoured smoke for cheap.
I use disposables and buy literally one a month because it moderates my use. Why should I lose out because some dickheads can’t parent their kids properly?
We should be banning disposable vapes for lots of reasons.
Crackdown on the traders breaking the law and selling to children? Nope, too hard.
Ban them for everyone, so even adults who use them responsibly so that they don’t go back to cigarettes are punished. Much easier.
I’m a vaper. The fact that disposable vapes are still a thing is fucking insane. They’re so awful for the environment, kids are hooked on them, it’s a fuckin shambles.
Why do vapes get to market all cool and sleek? Ban disposable vapes and put way more restrictions on normal vapes and vape fluids. It’s a no-brainer and insane that it’s not happened yet.
Vapes are an aid to quit smoking. I cannot fathom why kids think it’s cool or trendy to vape. Why don’t they just smoke?
Called this 10 months ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/wf0ifg/hundreds_of_vapes_taken_off_pupils_at_scotlands/iirwrnr/
> Essentially nicotine salts are a more addictive form of nicotine. They peak harder and faster and decline more quickly, intensifying both the positive feedback and withdrawal mechanisms that underly addiction. Couple that with the fact disposables are very attractive to minors due to the flavours they come in, and I think we’re on the precipice of a major health crisis.
ANYTHING disposable usually equals litter, public nuisance and landfill.
They’re advertised in shop windows in my town like ice lollies, insane
There is no need for disposable vapes. At the same time, there is no need to be limiting the size of liquid bottles one can buy, or the size of a tank one is able to buy. Ban the former, revoke the latter, and the market will lean toward larger devices with a longer lifespan.
Mandate replaceable batteries whilst you’re at it. /r/18650masterrace.
Just ban nicotine, legalise something more fun, everyone’s a winner
I don’t really understand why you can’t just sell the pods without the battery and sell a separate, rechargeable battery that it attaches to and save heaps of lithium in the process.
Normally shitting corner shops who sell these shit things are don’t ask for ID any proper vape outlet store will always ask for ID if you look too young.
Here’s a crazy idea: how about parents take some responsibility for their own children, and we punish the awful, neglectful parents who are incapable of doing so?
It shouldn’t be the government’s responsibility to parent your spawn.
Once again the answer is simple.
Make Vapes a licensed product along the lines of fags and booze.
Boom, job done.
I sincerely doubt the statistics would back up the claims that this is a serious problem.
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